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Why did we go 0-16 on 2017?

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  • FlugelF Flugel

    @the-gipper said:

    I mean....they did go winless in 1996/97/98.   😛

    They also went undefeated without scoring any points and giving up any points...

    @flugel said:

    They also went undefeated without scoring any points and giving up any points...

    Huzzah!!

    😂

  • I read a pretty interesting article recently which said that the Browns F.O. pretty much planned on intentionally tanking for a few seasons in order to stockpile the draft picks and salary cap to have the necessary resources to rebuild for the long term; basically they tore the organization down to the proverbial studs in order to do a complete rebuild. I think the 0-16 record in 2017 was just an unfortunate byproduct of that process.

    Here's that article I mentioned if anyone is interested in reading it:

    The Ringer: The Browns Brought the Process to the NFL. Surprisingly, It Worked.

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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  • jbluhm86J jbluhm86

    I read a pretty interesting article recently which said that the Browns F.O. pretty much planned on intentionally tanking for a few seasons in order to stockpile the draft picks and salary cap to have the necessary resources to rebuild for the long term; basically they tore the organization down to the proverbial studs in order to do a complete rebuild. I think the 0-16 record in 2017 was just an unfortunate byproduct of that process.

    Here's that article I mentioned if anyone is interested in reading it:

    The Ringer: The Browns Brought the Process to the NFL. Surprisingly, It Worked.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    I read a pretty interesting article recently which said that the Browns F.O. pretty much planned on intentionally tanking for a few seasons in order to stockpile the draft picks and salary cap to have the necessary resources to rebuild for the long term; basically they tore the organization down to the proverbial studs in order to do a complete rebuild. I think the 0-16 record in 2017 was just an unfortunate byproduct of that process.

    Here's that article I mentioned if anyone is interested in reading it:

    The Ringer: The Browns Brought the Process to the NFL. Surprisingly, It Worked.

    So is this what the Dolpins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

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    @jbluhm86 said:

    I read a pretty interesting article recently which said that the Browns F.O. pretty much planned on intentionally tanking for a few seasons in order to stockpile the draft picks and salary cap to have the necessary resources to rebuild for the long term; basically they tore the organization down to the proverbial studs in order to do a complete rebuild. I think the 0-16 record in 2017 was just an unfortunate byproduct of that process.

    Here's that article I mentioned if anyone is interested in reading it:

    The Ringer: The Browns Brought the Process to the NFL. Surprisingly, It Worked.

    So is this what the Dolpins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    @texasag1969 said:

    So is this what the Dolpins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    It's entirely possible. Seeing the Browns go from 0-16 to a potential playoff contender in only two seasons is probably intriguing to other teams. Tank for a few seasons while you shed excessive cap hits and refill your warchest with draft capital for later. Scorched earth in the present provides fertile soil for the future.

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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  • jbluhm86J jbluhm86

    @texasag1969 said:

    So is this what the Dolpins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    It's entirely possible. Seeing the Browns go from 0-16 to a potential playoff contender in only two seasons is probably intriguing to other teams. Tank for a few seasons while you shed excessive cap hits and refill your warchest with draft capital for later. Scorched earth in the present provides fertile soil for the future.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    It's entirely possible. Seeing the Browns go from 0-16 to a potential playoff contender in only two seasons is probably intriguing to other teams. Tank for a few seasons while you shed excessive cap hits and refill your warchest with draft capital for later. Scorched earth in the present provides fertile soil for the future.

    Except that the BROWNS overhauled the FO down to the HC and assistants and that may have been the decisive move......not just players.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • jbluhm86J jbluhm86

    @texasag1969 said:

    So is this what the Dolpins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    It's entirely possible. Seeing the Browns go from 0-16 to a potential playoff contender in only two seasons is probably intriguing to other teams. Tank for a few seasons while you shed excessive cap hits and refill your warchest with draft capital for later. Scorched earth in the present provides fertile soil for the future.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    It's entirely possible. Seeing the Browns go from 0-16 to a potential playoff contender in only two seasons is probably intriguing to other teams. Tank for a few seasons while you shed excessive cap hits and refill your warchest with draft capital for later. Scorched earth in the present provides fertile soil for the future.

    See: MLB's Houston Astros, too. 

  • T TexasAg1969

    @jbluhm86 said:

    I read a pretty interesting article recently which said that the Browns F.O. pretty much planned on intentionally tanking for a few seasons in order to stockpile the draft picks and salary cap to have the necessary resources to rebuild for the long term; basically they tore the organization down to the proverbial studs in order to do a complete rebuild. I think the 0-16 record in 2017 was just an unfortunate byproduct of that process.

    Here's that article I mentioned if anyone is interested in reading it:

    The Ringer: The Browns Brought the Process to the NFL. Surprisingly, It Worked.

    So is this what the Dolpins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    @texasag1969 said:

    So is this what the Dolphins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    Plain as mud Ag- big time tank, ala the Browns. With the talent they dumped, and trotting out Fitzpatrick as the designated pinata- they stand a good chance of landing the #1 overall in 2020. 

    Now that the dust has settled, here's what the 'Fins have amassed in the next two years..... (Sashi would be jealous)  Including all their own picks (except a fifth)  in 2020 they have. Extra first- Texans, extra second Saints, extra third compensatory. Extra fourth Titans, extra sixth Cowboys, extra seventh Chiefs. 2021 they have an extra first and second courtesy of the Texans. 

    Now there's no way Miami is going to use 13 picks next year- so doubtless some of those will be traded off for either players or even more future picks. 

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @texasag1969 said:

    So is this what the Dolphins are doing now? Sure appears that way.

    Plain as mud Ag- big time tank, ala the Browns. With the talent they dumped, and trotting out Fitzpatrick as the designated pinata- they stand a good chance of landing the #1 overall in 2020. 

    Now that the dust has settled, here's what the 'Fins have amassed in the next two years..... (Sashi would be jealous)  Including all their own picks (except a fifth)  in 2020 they have. Extra first- Texans, extra second Saints, extra third compensatory. Extra fourth Titans, extra sixth Cowboys, extra seventh Chiefs. 2021 they have an extra first and second courtesy of the Texans. 

    Now there's no way Miami is going to use 13 picks next year- so doubtless some of those will be traded off for either players or even more future picks. 

    @hoorta said:

    Plain as mud Ag- big time tank, ala the Browns. With the talent they dumped, and trotting out Fitzpatrick as the designated pinata- they stand a good chance of landing the #1 overall in 2020. 

    Now that the dust has settled, here's what the 'Fins have amassed in the next two years..... (Sashi would be jealous)  Including all their own picks (except a fifth)  in 2020 they have. Extra first- Texans, extra second Saints, extra third compensatory. Extra fourth Titans, extra sixth Cowboys, extra seventh Chiefs. 2021 they have an extra first and second courtesy of the Texans. 

    Now there's no way Miami is going to use 13 picks next year- so doubtless some of those will be traded off for either players or even more future picks. 

    Interesting, especially considering they may already have their future QB in Rosen. It would be ironic if he ends up winning a game or two at the end of the season that loses them the #1 overall. And Fitzy is equally capable of pulling off a couple of upsets as well.

  • We were probably a 3 or 4 win team with average/competent QB play (think back to the McCown year) but we had awful play from that position.  We also had a string of tough calls from the zebras that hurt us I think I counted probably 2/3 games that year that the zebras probably impacted the win column 

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