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  • Browns are 5 1/2 point favorites over the Titans in Vegas.

    http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

  • Updated Browns Super Bowl odds: 18-1.

    Their 2019 foes ...

    8-1: Patriots

    14-1: Rams

    22-1: Steelers

    33-1: Ravens, Seahawks

    40-1: 49ers

    66-1: Jets

    80-1: Titans, Broncos

    100-1: Bills

    150-1: Cardinals, Bengals

    250-1: Dolphins

  • Just FYI:

    All Matchups, Chicago Bears vs. Green Bay Packers

    Green Bay Packers lead series, 97-95-6
    96-94-6 regular season, 1-1 postseason

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Just FYI:

    All Matchups, Chicago Bears vs. Green Bay Packers

    Green Bay Packers lead series, 97-95-6
    96-94-6 regular season, 1-1 postseason

    @the-gipper said:

    Just FYI:

    All Matchups, Chicago Bears vs. Green Bay Packers

    Green Bay Packers lead series, 97-95-6
    96-94-6 regular season, 1-1 postseason

    Almost 200 contests and it is crazy that it is that close... 

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  • And at vegasinsider.com the Steelers have edged above the BROWNS for the division.

    ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 AFC NORTH (12/29/19)
    Team Odds
    Pittsburgh Steelers 13/10
    Cleveland Browns 7/5
    Baltimore Ravens 4/1
    Cincinnati Bengals 16/1
    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @the-gipper said:

    Just FYI:

    All Matchups, Chicago Bears vs. Green Bay Packers

    Green Bay Packers lead series, 97-95-6
    96-94-6 regular season, 1-1 postseason

    Almost 200 contests and it is crazy that it is that close... 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Almost 200 contests and it is crazy that it is that close... 

    That 1-1 post season stat is also crazy. You'd expect them meeting more times, wouldn't you?

  • NeroN Nero

    @dutch-oven said:

    Almost 200 contests and it is crazy that it is that close... 

    That 1-1 post season stat is also crazy. You'd expect them meeting more times, wouldn't you?

    @nero said:

    That 1-1 post season stat is also crazy. You'd expect them meeting more times, wouldn't you?

    Since the late 60s, when the playoffs that we know now started, it almost seems like the Bears and Packers are rarely ever good at the same time. Would explain why they've only met twice.... 

    NeroN The GipperT 2 Replies
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @nero said:

    That 1-1 post season stat is also crazy. You'd expect them meeting more times, wouldn't you?

    Since the late 60s, when the playoffs that we know now started, it almost seems like the Bears and Packers are rarely ever good at the same time. Would explain why they've only met twice.... 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Since the late 60s, when the playoffs that we know now started, it almost seems like the Bears and Packers are rarely ever good at the same time. Would explain why they've only met twice.... 

    I was thinking the same. 

  • Tough to "love".... maybe even "like"... last nite's game.

    I love a good defensive battle... maybe more than most... but that was not last nite's game. Last nite just showed inept offenses that were wa-a-a-a-a-ay behind the Ds they faced. It was more like a historical preseason opener with starters than a regular season opener. It's like the league has adopted the Belichik approach to the season.

    Neither Rodgers nor Trubs played much in the preseason... and it showed. Luckily for GB Aaron's muscle memory kicked in for a drive or two. Trubs? Not so much...

    This gives me some pause for us on Sunday whereas before I had none.

    Also gives me pause for more than a couple of picks in Pro Pick'em... and even a 2nd thought (too late) for picking BLT in survival. But as they are facing the lowly Fins I should survive.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @nero said:

    That 1-1 post season stat is also crazy. You'd expect them meeting more times, wouldn't you?

    Since the late 60s, when the playoffs that we know now started, it almost seems like the Bears and Packers are rarely ever good at the same time. Would explain why they've only met twice.... 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Since the late 60s, when the playoffs that we know now started, it almost seems like the Bears and Packers are rarely ever good at the same time. Would explain why they've only met twice.... 

    Same goes for Browns/Steelers.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Tough to "love".... maybe even "like"... last nite's game.

    I love a good defensive battle... maybe more than most... but that was not last nite's game. Last nite just showed inept offenses that were wa-a-a-a-a-ay behind the Ds they faced. It was more like a historical preseason opener with starters than a regular season opener. It's like the league has adopted the Belichik approach to the season.

    Neither Rodgers nor Trubs played much in the preseason... and it showed. Luckily for GB Aaron's muscle memory kicked in for a drive or two. Trubs? Not so much...

    This gives me some pause for us on Sunday whereas before I had none.

    Also gives me pause for more than a couple of picks in Pro Pick'em... and even a 2nd thought (too late) for picking BLT in survival. But as they are facing the lowly Fins I should survive.

    @tour2ma said:

    Tough to "love".... maybe even "like"... last nite's game.

    I love a good defensive battle... maybe more than most... but that was not last nite's game. Last nite just showed inept offenses that were wa-a-a-a-a-ay behind the Ds they faced. It was more like a historical preseason opener with starters than a regular season opener. It's like the league has adopted the Belichik approach to the season.

    Neither Rodgers nor Trubs played much in the preseason... and it showed. Luckily for GB Aaron's muscle memory kicked in for a drive or two. Trubs? Not so much...

    This gives me some pause for us on Sunday whereas before I had none.

    Also gives me pause for more than a couple of picks in Pro Pick'em... and even a 2nd thought (too late) for picking BLT in survival. But as they are facing the lowly Fins I should survive.

    Well...this whole thing of not playing the starters in the preseason I think does have an affect. I just do not think some teams are ready to play.  

    Of course, I am in favor of getting rid of at least 2 preseason games.  But I always felt that the game just before the regular season should be a full "dress rehearsal" with the players getting in full game mode.  

    The fact that the Browns have lost like 18 of the last 19 opening games, to me, is, yes, indicative that they have not been very good teams....but more than that, I have always felt that they just were not ever prepared to play that first game. 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Tough to "love".... maybe even "like"... last nite's game.

    I love a good defensive battle... maybe more than most... but that was not last nite's game. Last nite just showed inept offenses that were wa-a-a-a-a-ay behind the Ds they faced. It was more like a historical preseason opener with starters than a regular season opener. It's like the league has adopted the Belichik approach to the season.

    Neither Rodgers nor Trubs played much in the preseason... and it showed. Luckily for GB Aaron's muscle memory kicked in for a drive or two. Trubs? Not so much...

    This gives me some pause for us on Sunday whereas before I had none.

    Also gives me pause for more than a couple of picks in Pro Pick'em... and even a 2nd thought (too late) for picking BLT in survival. But as they are facing the lowly Fins I should survive.

    @tour2ma said:

    Tough to "love".... maybe even "like"... last nite's game.

    I love a good defensive battle... maybe more than most... but that was not last nite's game. Last nite just showed inept offenses that were wa-a-a-a-a-ay behind the Ds they faced. It was more like a historical preseason opener with starters than a regular season opener. It's like the league has adopted the Belichik approach to the season.

    Neither Rodgers nor Trubs played much in the preseason... and it showed. Luckily for GB Aaron's muscle memory kicked in for a drive or two. Trubs? Not so much...

    This gives me some pause for us on Sunday whereas before I had none.

    Also gives me pause for more than a couple of picks in Pro Pick'em... and even a 2nd thought (too late) for picking BLT in survival. But as they are facing the lowly Fins I should survive.

    So true the coaches and FO just do not want to risk their high priced or even medium priced talent until the season starts now.

    GB 9 punts CHI 8 wow.

    10-3 was a real snoozefest.    😴

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!

  • On another note...

    I loved seeing Pet get shoved... with love... by Aaron last nite.

    I wish the man nothing but success including another HC gig in the not-to-distant future.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    On another note...

    I loved seeing Pet get shoved... with love... by Aaron last nite.

    I wish the man nothing but success including another HC gig in the not-to-distant future.

    @tour2ma said:

    On another note...

    I loved seeing Pet get shoved... with love... by Aaron last nite.

    I wish the man nothing but success including another HC gig in the not-to-distant future.

    Absolutely. 

    I have nothing but respect for him and think he got a raw deal here. 

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    On another note...

    I loved seeing Pet get shoved... with love... by Aaron last nite.

    I wish the man nothing but success including another HC gig in the not-to-distant future.

    @tour2ma said:

    On another note...

    I loved seeing Pet get shoved... with love... by Aaron last nite.

    I wish the man nothing but success including another HC gig in the not-to-distant future.

    He must be a hell of a DC; he was mentioned by name like a dozen times. 

  • I Icecube

    @tour2ma said:

    On another note...

    I loved seeing Pet get shoved... with love... by Aaron last nite.

    I wish the man nothing but success including another HC gig in the not-to-distant future.

    He must be a hell of a DC; he was mentioned by name like a dozen times. 

    @icecube said:

    He must be a hell of a DC; he was mentioned by name like a dozen times. 

    He was in Buffalo...

    He was in his 1st year as our HC...

    No surprise that he is still.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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