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    KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
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    Teams are getting tired of drama...i bet they try to void his contract...and go after the 1 mil signing bonus.  He may never see the field again

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      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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      Only drafted him in three leagues... 🙁

      As for the whole situation...

      I suspended (and fired) employees during my working years.

      In every case there was a "letter" (to their file) detailing the behavior that was being disciplined.

      In every case that letter was presented to the employee face-to-face...

      To drop such a letter in the mail... leave with their time card... or deliver in any other fashion... was unthinkable.

      In every above case of chronic behavior the disciplinary letter was not the first letter. There was always an earlier letter to file putting the employee on notice and setting setting expectations. I don't know if this was done in this case... but if as I suspect it was not, then AB was blindsided.

      Yes.... AB's IG post was over-the-top and needs to apologized for, but Mayock set the conflict in motion. When you are disciplining someone, you face them... you give them the chance to respond, make their case, etc. then. You don't let them stew on it.

      Normally I'd say Mayock's move was "chickenshit", but I don't think there's anything "chicken" about Mike. It was just a wrongheaded, ignorant, inconsiderate move that anyone on the aggressive side of a complete milktoast would react negatively to... let alone someone as volatile as AB.

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        mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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        The soap opera continues, Friday 1:15 pm......

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        GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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          And he's back...

          Gruden just announced that AB is practicing and will play in Game 1...

          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051543/article/gruden-the-plan-is-for-antonio-brown-to-play-monday

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            Fri 11 am.......

            14 hours agoThe Oakland Raiders are not planning to have wide receiver Antonio Brown for Week 1 against the Broncos on Monday night, according to sources. However, it's not clear if it's a suspension or if the Raiders will just make him inactive. Brown is likely to stay away from the team. This situation has gone from bad to worse in a hurry, and it's unknown if this team-imposed suspension will go beyond Week 1. You can begin to make plans to be without Brown in fantasy for the season opener. As a result, Tyrell Williams, Hunter Renfrow and J.J. Nelson should be in on three-receiver sets against Denver. Tight end Darren Waller should see more targets as well and will be worth a look as a sleeper TE2.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
            Source: NFL Network - Ian Rapoport

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            @mjp28 said:

            Fri 11 am.......

            14 hours agoThe Oakland Raiders are not planning to have wide receiver Antonio Brown for Week 1 against the Broncos on Monday night, according to sources. However, it's not clear if it's a suspension or if the Raiders will just make him inactive. Brown is likely to stay away from the team. This situation has gone from bad to worse in a hurry, and it's unknown if this team-imposed suspension will go beyond Week 1. You can begin to make plans to be without Brown in fantasy for the season opener. As a result, Tyrell Williams, Hunter Renfrow and J.J. Nelson should be in on three-receiver sets against Denver. Tight end Darren Waller should see more targets as well and will be worth a look as a sleeper TE2.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
            Source: NFL Network - Ian Rapoport

            "Just Lose, Baby" right behind the Steelers and Ravens as the teams I dislike most. 

            @tour2ma said:

            And he's back...

            Gruden just announced that AB is practicing and will play in Game 1...

            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051543/article/gruden-the-plan-is-for-antonio-brown-to-play-monday

            You're saved by the bell Tour. I wonder how long and hard they had to kiss AB's ass to "smooth things over".   

            I've been asked many times to join a Fantasy League, and it's not in my cards. I have no interest in it, and I spend way too much time on the board keeping the inmates in line here.  🙂  

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              And he's back...

              Gruden just announced that AB is practicing and will play in Game 1...

              http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051543/article/gruden-the-plan-is-for-antonio-brown-to-play-monday

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              jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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              @tour2ma said:

              And he's back...

              Gruden just announced that AB is practicing and will play in Game 1...

              http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051543/article/gruden-the-plan-is-for-antonio-brown-to-play-monday

              Man, although who the hell knows what the truth is but if stuff is correct this makes Mayock look so weak. According to reports, AB used racial language and overtly threatened to punch him in the face. To not suspend a dude for that sets a terrible precedent.

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                @mjp28 said:

                Fri 11 am.......

                14 hours agoThe Oakland Raiders are not planning to have wide receiver Antonio Brown for Week 1 against the Broncos on Monday night, according to sources. However, it's not clear if it's a suspension or if the Raiders will just make him inactive. Brown is likely to stay away from the team. This situation has gone from bad to worse in a hurry, and it's unknown if this team-imposed suspension will go beyond Week 1. You can begin to make plans to be without Brown in fantasy for the season opener. As a result, Tyrell Williams, Hunter Renfrow and J.J. Nelson should be in on three-receiver sets against Denver. Tight end Darren Waller should see more targets as well and will be worth a look as a sleeper TE2.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
                Source: NFL Network - Ian Rapoport

                "Just Lose, Baby" right behind the Steelers and Ravens as the teams I dislike most. 

                @tour2ma said:

                And he's back...

                Gruden just announced that AB is practicing and will play in Game 1...

                http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051543/article/gruden-the-plan-is-for-antonio-brown-to-play-monday

                You're saved by the bell Tour. I wonder how long and hard they had to kiss AB's ass to "smooth things over".   

                I've been asked many times to join a Fantasy League, and it's not in my cards. I have no interest in it, and I spend way too much time on the board keeping the inmates in line here.  🙂  

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                Charlie Casserly made an interesting comment on NFL Network... basically it was around...

                "Why is Mayock in the middle of this? In all my years as a GM I never signed a disciplinary letter to a player... never suspended a player... and never spoke about either to the press. That is the job of the HC. It's his roster."

                Man has a point. Gruden seems to want to be the good cop.

                @hoorta said:

                I wonder how long and hard they had to kiss AB's ass to "smooth things over".   

                Actually h, reports are more that AB did the ass-kissin'... "emotional apology to the team this morning" and that type stuff.

                I know he had over 30mm "reasons" to pucker up...

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                  jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                  I wish every team I played was depending on him ?

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                    @tour2ma said:

                    And he's back...

                    Gruden just announced that AB is practicing and will play in Game 1...

                    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051543/article/gruden-the-plan-is-for-antonio-brown-to-play-monday

                    Man, although who the hell knows what the truth is but if stuff is correct this makes Mayock look so weak. According to reports, AB used racial language and overtly threatened to punch him in the face. To not suspend a dude for that sets a terrible precedent.

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                    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                    @jrb12711 said:

                    According to reports, AB used racial language and overtly threatened to punch him in the face.

                    I believe he called Mike Mayock: "Mister Honky Lips". 

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                      mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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                      More on the AB soap opera.......

                      "A must start in week 1"......

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                      GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                        More on the AB soap opera.......

                        "A must start in week 1"......

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                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                        @mjp28 said:

                        "A must start in week 1"......

                        Yup... twice if you can...Have the feeling he is going to "go off"...

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                          mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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                          I liked it so much better when football players were real team football players.

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                          GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                            BrownsFan4EvrB BrownsFan4Evr wrote on last edited by
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                            Raiders released him!

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                              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                              Zombo said:

                              I'm gonna go ahead and say "sit him".

                              Done!

                              Until the Pats pick him up... 🥷

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                                Zombo said:

                                I'm gonna go ahead and say "sit him".

                                Done!

                                Until the Pats pick him up... 🥷

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                                @tour2ma said:

                                Done!

                                Until the Pats pick him up... 🥷

                                There's no way Bill would want to deal with this BS.

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                                  IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                  I’m not sure l ever recall a more bizarre sequence of events. Even tops Josh Gordon and his jive ass jivery.

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                                    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                                    They broke into the BUCKEYES game to announce that.  😆

                                    Another unhappy multimillionaire nutjob star athlete booted off a team, how sad.

                                    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                                      @tour2ma said:

                                      Done!

                                      Until the Pats pick him up... 🥷

                                      There's no way Bill would want to deal with this BS.

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                                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                      @hoorta said:

                                      There's no way Bill would want to deal with this BS.

                                      Moss... Ocho Cinco... Dillon... yeah no history of dealing with "difficult" players.

                                      And here's the thing, h... Bill doesn't "deal" with BS... he "explains it" to his guys and is backed by his entire locker room. What team is better equipped to handle AB?

                                      Combine that with an incentive laden contract and it's a no-brainer.

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                                        @hoorta said:

                                        There's no way Bill would want to deal with this BS.

                                        Moss... Ocho Cinco... Dillon... yeah no history of dealing with "difficult" players.

                                        And here's the thing, h... Bill doesn't "deal" with BS... he "explains it" to his guys and is backed by his entire locker room. What team is better equipped to handle AB?

                                        Combine that with an incentive laden contract and it's a no-brainer.

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                                        hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                        @tour2ma said:

                                        Moss... Ocho Cinco... Dillon... yeah no history of dealing with "difficult" players.

                                        And here's the thing, h... Bill doesn't "deal" with BS... he "explains it" to his guys and is backed by his entire locker room. What team is better equipped to handle AB?

                                        Combine that with an incentive laden contract and it's a no-brainer.

                                        Ha, rolling one game contract, with no guarantees. 🙂

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                                          On another note...

                                          How did the Raiders void his guarantees? $1mm  was gone due to missing camp time over feet and helmet "issues", but the other $29mm-ish??? Earlier reports said if they suspended him then it was all gone, but doesn't seem like that happened. So...????

                                          Complaining publicly about the added fine for the confrontation with Mayock seems to have been another straw, but I have a feeling it was the posting of his phone convo with Gruden that was the final one. Jon just couldn't trust him after that.

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