Flags/Penalties
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He grabs the top of his jersey and holds it when Chubb goes to outside.
And men downfield, they can be a yard downfield, and this pic is AFTER he has caught it. When the ball hits his hands the front two linemen are less than a yard over.
On the OBJ one, I have no issue with saying no flag, but saying how horrible of a call it was, no OBJ pushed off.
Correct, he was holding the inner jersey when Romo said he couldn’t see a hold.
I didn’t see much of a push from OBJ, it looked like a clean route break, some hand-fighting and a great sell job from the corner.
Randall was a millisecond early and we’ve all seen that call uncalled hundreds of times
Correct, he was holding the inner jersey when Romo said he couldn’t see a hold.
I didn’t see much of a push from OBJ, it looked like a clean route break, some hand-fighting and a great sell job from the corner.
Randall was a millisecond early and we’ve all seen that call uncalled hundreds of times
Not saying I think it should have been called, I think that is a no flag, but he was there a bit early.
As for Harris, I must be looking at someone different then. His left hand APPEARS to be on his outside shoulder pad
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So what do you do when you are an NFL coach and one of your Lineman holds somebody?
Tell him not to hold the defender? Bench him for holding and put in.... who? The 3rd string DT?
Or when your LT kicks some one in the face for pushing him in the back over a pile after the whistle was blown?
Does a good coach tell him “don’t kick people in the face?”
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So what do you do when you are an NFL coach and one of your Lineman holds somebody?
Tell him not to hold the defender? Bench him for holding and put in.... who? The 3rd string DT?
Or when your LT kicks some one in the face for pushing him in the back over a pile after the whistle was blown?
Does a good coach tell him “don’t kick people in the face?”
So what do you do when you are an NFL coach and one of your Lineman holds somebody?
Tell him not to hold the defender? Bench him for holding and put in.... who? The 3rd string DT?
Or when your LT kicks some one in the face for pushing him in the back over a pile after the whistle was blown?
Does a good coach tell him “don’t kick people in the face?”
When you look at a single penalty or two you might have a point. In the context of the most penalties in franchise history it’s a systemic issue. Systemic issues like that to me would trace back to coaching. Let’s see if he can adjust and get back on track.
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So what do you do when you are an NFL coach and one of your Lineman holds somebody?
Tell him not to hold the defender? Bench him for holding and put in.... who? The 3rd string DT?
Or when your LT kicks some one in the face for pushing him in the back over a pile after the whistle was blown?
Does a good coach tell him “don’t kick people in the face?”
When you look at a single penalty or two you might have a point. In the context of the most penalties in franchise history it’s a systemic issue. Systemic issues like that to me would trace back to coaching. Let’s see if he can adjust and get back on track.
When you look at a single penalty or two you might have a point. In the context of the most penalties in franchise history it’s a systemic issue. Systemic issues like that to me would trace back to coaching. Let’s see if he can adjust and get back on track.
I gotta think it’s having bad/dumb players on your roster.
But then again even Myles Garrett picked up a personal foul for jacking someone in the face. Guy was holding both of his hands and raking on them, but all the ref sees is the open hand punch.
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look in in 0vthink there was allot of pump and emotion from the locker room before hitting the field.
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That ref and his team are straight garbage. I'd petition the League to make sure they never ref another game in Cleveland for the rest of their careers. Certainly smelt like fish, bet that elf looking motherfucker and his goons had a lot of money on the Titans. This is exactly why you cannot allow betting on NFL games. The refs don't get paid much and when they can make six-hundred thousand dollars off of one bet, that's a recipe for disaster. They are underpaid and unappreciated referees not saints. Fuck them zebras. Completely one sided affair and it was obvious.
Robinson was shoved to the ground AFTER the play was over and reacted by kicking AS HE WAS FALLING DOWN, that's a reactionary action not premeditated, but whatever.
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The fucking point of it is, if you are going to call shit this tight on us, then how in the FUCK is that hold/black in the back NOT CALLED?
Here we CLEARLY have a block in the back...and then...
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...a fucking blatant hold on the SAME PLAY by the SAME PLAYER. There should have been TWO FOULS on this play.
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Freddie now cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube.. He pronounced that his team bonded together in the inter squad week with the Colts..We opened with the Skins with 6 flags(gassers after own teammates fight at practice)..Day 1 with Colts, was a clean scrimmage Draw/media...Day 2, most media declared us as the winner..but with many player dust-ups where taking swings was the norm..Friday we were off, when Freddie declares boxing day as teams bonding day. Saturday Game day Colts PS3-13 flags.. after Colts game, the touch the end zone wall laps started at practice..TB-8 flags..Lions-10 flags..Titans 20 with 2 declined=18... bonding date? like we need more targets to shoot at on this team.. ? (zip it)
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Yes, we made a lot of mistakes and didn't do enough to win. However, you will NEVER convince me that refs did not intend to throw the game to the Titans anyway they could. 18-5 - they weren't calling SHIT on the Titans. How about a fucking personal foul on the cat that fucking KNOCKED ROBINSON TO THE GROUND well after the whistle, before he instinctively defended himself with a pretty harmless kick as he was falling, a kick that couldn't have hurt a fucking fly (wasn't like he was fully upright and reared the fuck back or something)? Does anyone have a smart reply as to why that wasn't called? Why?
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Yes, we made a lot of mistakes and didn't do enough to win. However, you will NEVER convince me that refs did not intend to throw the game to the Titans anyway they could. 18-5 - they weren't calling SHIT on the Titans. How about a fucking personal foul on the cat that fucking KNOCKED ROBINSON TO THE GROUND well after the whistle, before he instinctively defended himself with a pretty harmless kick as he was falling, a kick that couldn't have hurt a fucking fly (wasn't like he was fully upright and reared the fuck back or something)? Does anyone have a smart reply as to why that wasn't called? Why?
Yes, we made a lot of mistakes and didn't do enough to win. However, you will NEVER convince me that refs did not intend to throw the game to the Titans anyway they could. 18-5 - they weren't calling SHIT on the Titans. How about a fucking personal foul on the cat that fucking KNOCKED ROBINSON TO THE GROUND well after the whistle, before he instinctively defended himself with a pretty harmless kick as he was falling, a kick that couldn't have hurt a fucking fly (wasn't like he was fully upright and reared the fuck back or something)? Does anyone have a smart reply as to why that wasn't called? Why?
Thank you!
I swear I hear so many times that you can't blame the refs for a loss. Like it's somehow some macho card or something. It's really not. It has to do with the fact that there is LITERALLY a holding call on every fucking play in every fucking game, all day, every day. It's when only one team is penalized and put into 2nd down and 20 situations time after time when the shit is ridiculous. The refs have single handedly cost the browns more wins than any team we've faced over the past 10 years. The shit gets old.
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I’m talking the team and the discipline, which Is up to kitchens. He’s like Mike Pettine with more personality. He showed yesterday he hasn’t done anything for the culture or mentality of the team. His playcalling regressed big time, doing the opposite of last year, which is just brutal to see in action. Yesterday was brutal man. Idk how else to say it. A coach that knows what he is doing doesn’t let something like that happen yesterday
I’m talking the team and the discipline, which Is up to kitchens. He’s like Mike Pettine with more personality. He showed yesterday he hasn’t done anything for the culture or mentality of the team. His playcalling regressed big time, doing the opposite of last year, which is just brutal to see in action. Yesterday was brutal man. Idk how else to say it. A coach that knows what he is doing doesn’t let something like that happen yesterday
It's one regular season game, and some guys already have the pitchforks out.
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I guess blaming the refs is easier on the psyche than admitting that your favorite team laid an enormous egg.
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While it’s true that this is only one game and the disaster that happened Sunday may never happen the rest of the year, it was still a disturbing opening game. Hopefully, what we saw is not a glimpse of what we will see for the rest of the year.
I don’t know what happened after the Browns’ first offensive series but their play all went down hill afterwards. Aside from the undisciplined play and stupid repetitive penalties, I was most disappointed by the performance of the offensive line. Mayfield was harassed on almost every pass play. For a team with a rising stars in Baker and Chubb and two bonafide supper star receivers in Jarvis and Odell, the offensive line has to play much better from here on out or the discontent will escalate.
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I guess blaming the refs is easier on the psyche than admitting that your favorite team laid an enormous egg.
I guess blaming the refs is easier on the psyche than admitting that your favorite team laid an enormous egg.
Our BROWNIES got sucked into the enormous hype and media exposure and outside of the first rather exciting drive just lost contact with the mission that afternoon.
I guess we can hold off on printing Super Bowl 54 tickets just yet.
GO BROWNS, I expect some kind of attitude correction in the big apple on MNF.
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I’m talking the team and the discipline, which Is up to kitchens. He’s like Mike Pettine with more personality. He showed yesterday he hasn’t done anything for the culture or mentality of the team. His playcalling regressed big time, doing the opposite of last year, which is just brutal to see in action. Yesterday was brutal man. Idk how else to say it. A coach that knows what he is doing doesn’t let something like that happen yesterday
It's one regular season game, and some guys already have the pitchforks out.
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I’m talking the team and the discipline, which Is up to kitchens. He’s like Mike Pettine with more personality. He showed yesterday he hasn’t done anything for the culture or mentality of the team. His playcalling regressed big time, doing the opposite of last year, which is just brutal to see in action. Yesterday was brutal man. Idk how else to say it. A coach that knows what he is doing doesn’t let something like that happen yesterday
It's one regular season game, and some guys already have the pitchforks out.
It's one regular season game, and some guys already have the pitchforks out.
I wouldn't be riding anyone out of town on a rail with tar and feathers, but I'd sit a few players on the bench the first full quarter starting with Garrett so the team understands that even with a "star", disciple in football is far more important to the team than any one man.
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Welp they called it
They sure did but it was textbook blocking. He had his hands on the breastplate of the shoulderpads.
They sure did but it was textbook blocking. He had his hands on the breastplate of the shoulderpads.
Which is why I was going ballistic in the game thread. I'm sitting there watching the Saints game and watching guys block just like this and wow! no flag. It made me so frustrated I legit turned the game off.
The play being described is a textbook armbar holding call. It wouldn't make me nearly as mad if they ref crew weren't calling below average at best (described above) holds against the Browns all afternoon. I've said 10 times we deserved the loss, but the ref crew was absolute garbage. Gene on the Henry TD play said something along the lines of "while despite that pretty apparent hold, they can't review this part of the play". If the dude whose job it is to defend the referees makes that statement, it was a seriously blown call.
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Yes, we made a lot of mistakes and didn't do enough to win. However, you will NEVER convince me that refs did not intend to throw the game to the Titans anyway they could. 18-5 - they weren't calling SHIT on the Titans. How about a fucking personal foul on the cat that fucking KNOCKED ROBINSON TO THE GROUND well after the whistle, before he instinctively defended himself with a pretty harmless kick as he was falling, a kick that couldn't have hurt a fucking fly (wasn't like he was fully upright and reared the fuck back or something)? Does anyone have a smart reply as to why that wasn't called? Why?
Yes, we made a lot of mistakes and didn't do enough to win. However, you will NEVER convince me that refs did not intend to throw the game to the Titans anyway they could. 18-5 - they weren't calling SHIT on the Titans. How about a fucking personal foul on the cat that fucking KNOCKED ROBINSON TO THE GROUND well after the whistle, before he instinctively defended himself with a pretty harmless kick as he was falling, a kick that couldn't have hurt a fucking fly (wasn't like he was fully upright and reared the fuck back or something)? Does anyone have a smart reply as to why that wasn't called? Why?
90% of the time they miss the action that precedes the personal foul. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Pats, Titans, Ravens whatever. Pro...College...HS. Most coaches will tell you don’t let them bait you. The Titans brought it to us and we reacted negatively. So Kitchens should say we need to be smarter.
i have nothing for the missed block in the back, phantom holds, OBJ PI where the defender was handsy all down the field. You hope at the end of the year they even out. We didn't get many 50/50 benefit of the doubt call or no calls this game.
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Let's just ask this question, exactly how many of these flags did people pointing them out see at the split second, not with replay, and how many were in the angle of the official?
I've coached a long time, know the rules very well, know some rules that most people don't know existed, and I don't know as much as officials.
But heck, go try it out for yourself. Go to a football game or practice, be at the same level as the game, and watch multiple things/players all at the same time. And then see if you get it right 100% of the time.
I don't understand why people expect these guys (and a couple gals) to be perfect, to see everything they see, but wouldn't expect themselves to be perfect in their job.
But people here are actually taking it further. Sure they missed calls, but talking about them actually cheating. Absolutely ridiculous.
I forgot, those officials couldn't block, threw 3 INTs, and lost their cool.
Many times I have disagreed with a call coaching. And a lot of the time I was correct. And even more when breaking down film I have seen things I thought was obvious that should have been called. They weren't trying to make me lose, they missed it.
As for the still shots here, after I seen a different view I said the call was missed, but a still shot can be frozen to make it look worse. On the Henry TD, the block started on side/a bit in front from the video I saw. The defender TURNED to try and get loose, which is how you see him directly in his back. And the guys down field means ZERO. One, the pass was BEHIND the LOS, and 2 at the time the ball hits his hands they are WITHIN a yard of LOS, way within a yard.
Again, there were a few plays I saw that were incorrect, a few that I don't think should have been thrown, but to call them cheaters is ridiculous, and to defend a guy who kicks someone is crazy. And to actually blame the officials for a 30 point loss and make it seem like they are the ones who made the Browns lose and they cheated is so out there that it is crazy
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