Life expectancy
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He'll still kick your ass.
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He'll still kick your ass.
He'll still kick your ass.
You are probably right.
A great message in this clip...the guy wasn't ahead of his time...we are just now catching up to the guy.
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I think you could make this stat fit either side of the argument. After all, what kind of health care are Americans eligible for after they reach 65?
In that sense, it doesn't sound like a great argument against government-run health care. It's the only time in an American's life when they're guaranteed to have health insurance, and it turns out they fare better. Imagine that.
Meanwhile, most Europeans cover every child born in their country from day one. That's not the case here.
I think you could make this stat fit either side of the argument. After all, what kind of health care are Americans eligible for after they reach 65?
In that sense, it doesn't sound like a great argument against government-run health care. It's the only time in an American's life when they're guaranteed to have health insurance, and it turns out they fare better. Imagine that.
Meanwhile, most Europeans cover every child born in their country from day one. That's not the case here.
Not surprisingly, I'm hesitant to heap praise on Medicare for this stat. It seems to me that the most obvious and measurable (hooray!!) place to look to explain this phenomenon is cause of death. People over 65 are significantly less likely to die as a result of violent crime or drug overdoses. I dont have the stats in front of me, but I would guess that the same is true of car accidents. All of those things result in higher death rates in America than they do in the Netherlands. Before anyone discounts the significance of these factors on life expectancy overall, consider this: firearm deaths alone decrease the life expectancy of American black males by a full year.
And we havent even begun to discuss obesity....
(heck and MR are right though; this stat can go both ways at the moment)
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Different societies have different customs, but I personally would like to see people allowed to check out gracefully when quality of life is gone.
Nost of us probably would want that.
WSS
Different societies have different customs, but I personally would like to see people allowed to check out gracefully when quality of life is gone.
Nost of us probably would want that.
WSS
Going out with your boots on means a lot, who wants some damn bureaucrat telling you can or cannot fight for your life when you get old.
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Concerning Medicare.
How many seniors are forced to bankrupt themselves for long term care?
Medicare, (the nationalized plan as we know) does nothing, or not too damn much right?
While we bemoan the fact that a 30 year old who won't pay for a policy might be bankrupted by an accident or illness?
Can we expect a new bebefit to provide both A nd B to seniors free?
WSS
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Different societies have different customs, but I personally would like to see people allowed to check out gracefully when quality of life is gone.
Nost of us probably would want that.
WSS
Going out with your boots on means a lot, who wants some damn bureaucrat telling you can or cannot fight for your life when you get old.
Going out with your boots on means a lot, who wants some damn bureaucrat telling you can or cannot fight for your life when you get old.
Big difference between "fighting for life" and keeping fluid coursing through a near corpse bud.
You think that decision should be made by the patient or family member?
How about if it were up to that family member to pay for end of life care for years?
Sound cold?
Is it realism?
WSS
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Going out with your boots on means a lot, who wants some damn bureaucrat telling you can or cannot fight for your life when you get old.
Big difference between "fighting for life" and keeping fluid coursing through a near corpse bud.
You think that decision should be made by the patient or family member?
How about if it were up to that family member to pay for end of life care for years?
Sound cold?
Is it realism?
WSS
Big difference between "fighting for life" and keeping fluid coursing through a near corpse bud.
You think that decision should be made by the patient or family member?
How about if it were up to that family member to pay for end of life care for years?
Sound cold?
Is it realism?
WSS
I agree with that, my father before he died stated that he didn't want to be kept alive like Terri Schiavo, he stated that was not fun to watch and was humiliating to everyone in her family.
This is something for each individual to determine and should not be determined by the gov.
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This is something for each individual to determine and should not be determined by the gov.
Sure.
But unless your family has unlimited funds they and their insurers will have to decide between letting grandma go or bankruptcy as it is.
As much as I don't care for Obama I sincerely doubt the "government" would make those decisions any differently than the family, the doctors or the present health system.
WSS
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@hiwaygal said:
I'm not sure I entirely agree with that idea. There are already dollar limits on health insurance and once you reach those limits you no longer have coverage...any costs after that are paid out of pocket.
That's true. And when that time comes I say it's time to move on.
It sounds cold and heartless but at what point does someone decide the battle is a losing one (and they all are...everyone is gonna die someday) and just make someone comfortable because it's cheaper? Unfortunately, I see that point happening sooner with a government run program than a private one.
Maybe, but we just don't know that.
In neither case does it make sense to keep someone alive past the point of a quality life.
Even if you have the money to do it.
And especxially if you don't and it's being subsidized.
IMO.
WSS
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"Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections
Tens of thousands with chronic back pain will be forced to live in agony after a decision to slash the number of painkilling injections issued on the NHS, doctors have warned."
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That's in Britain. Off Drudge...
Government insurance is government control, and bureaucracy wins regardless of the incompetence, cold-bloodedness,
apathy, and corruption.
Not good.
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