***Official Browns Vs. Rams Sunday Night Football Game Thread***
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Is the OLine really this bad? If so, how did Dorsey not seriously address it.
He did - with skill players. Only problem is that if you can't win up front, then it doesn't matter.
A lesson to all you fucks (not you in particular HX) who thought Ghoolie had real football insight - what you're seeing is what happens when you go with "dime a dozen fatasses"
Good night.
He did - with skill players. Only problem is that if you can't win up front, then it doesn't matter.
Does that give Baker a pass for instinctively thinking “OH SHIT RUN” on 75% of the pressures he dealt with?
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Does that give Baker a pass for instinctively thinking “OH SHIT RUN” on 75% of the pressures he dealt with?
You get that way when you’re afforded 1.3 seconds per dropback
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I blame the play caller for not running the ball once inside the 5 with three timeouts and 40b seconds left down 7. But don't worry he'll run a fucking draw on 4th and 9.
Defense played their ass off tonight especially with the injuries. They deserved better.
I can't wait to hear Freddie answer why he didn't challenge the defensive interference on that drive, and then why the fuck he ran a draw on 4th and 9. I honestly think he had no idea it was 4th down.
I can't wait to hear Freddie answer why he didn't challenge the defensive interference on that drive, and then why the fuck he ran a draw on 4th and 9. I honestly think he had no idea it was 4th down.
Yeah that's what I was saying in the tavern. I truly believe he thought the rams accepted the illegal formation penalty which if they had it would have been 3rd and 14. a draw is a lot more acceptable playcall on that down and distance.
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Three straight pass plays. I don’t know what to think, guys. Other than Chubb making it into the end zone 9/10 times
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If you guys are in the mood for a little more frustration, watch the 3rd down on our last series. The one where Baker threw a jump ball that had no chance. Watch Jarvis Landry zip across the middle, open...with nobody in front of him, and the defender trailing. He was so pissed that he slammed his hands on the ground. Baker never even tried to see him. He predetermined where he was throwing it. It was an easy throw to a reliable target. But he never even saw him. Go to the 11:40 mark I think. That should be around 3rd down if you really want to get ticked off again.
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Play calling of Kitchens VS Rams Play calling, 49ers and Chiefs. No comparison. Freddie Kitchens was a poor choice. Denuding the offensive line for a pass rusher that no one wanted was a bad choice. Here we go again. Mayfield had the Deer in Headlights look of the last 20 Browns QBs. He could not find anyone open on a scramble? WTF? Is he drinking too much?
The defense was great under the circumstance. But in the pinch LA could hit on a cross route blindfolded.
Freddie era is coming to an end. Joe Thomas era next?
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Play calling of Kitchens VS Rams Play calling, 49ers and Chiefs. No comparison. Freddie Kitchens was a poor choice. Denuding the offensive line for a pass rusher that no one wanted was a bad choice. Here we go again. Mayfield had the Deer in Headlights look of the last 20 Browns QBs. He could not find anyone open on a scramble? WTF? Is he drinking too much?
The defense was great under the circumstance. But in the pinch LA could hit on a cross route blindfolded.
Freddie era is coming to an end. Joe Thomas era next?
Play calling of Kitchens VS Rams Play calling, 49ers and Chiefs. No comparison. Freddie Kitchens was a poor choice. Denuding the offensive line for a pass rusher that no one wanted was a bad choice. Here we go again. Mayfield had the Deer in Headlights look of the last 20 Browns QBs. He could not find anyone open on a scramble? WTF? Is he drinking too much?
The defense was great under the circumstance. But in the pinch LA could hit on a cross route blindfolded.
Freddie era is coming to an end. Joe Thomas era next?
A little overreaction. He’s a rookie head coach that lost to the rams by one score
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Does that give Baker a pass for instinctively thinking “OH SHIT RUN” on 75% of the pressures he dealt with?
You get that way when you’re afforded 1.3 seconds per dropback
You get that way when you’re afforded 1.3 seconds per dropback
He’s holding the ball way too long.
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You get that way when you’re afforded 1.3 seconds per dropback
He’s holding the ball way too long.
He’s holding the ball way too long.
Most QBs can hold on to the ball for 1.3 seconds before they’re sacked. Our OL is atrocious
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Just got done watching the game. 1st and goal from inside the 5, 43 seconds left with all 3 time outs and Freddie calls 4 straight passes.............not 1 mother fucking run.
Absolute trash. Pathetic. Any high school coach in the country would have called a better 4 play series.
Same old shit.
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The Titans loss is turning out to be a really good indicator of how bad we truly are, as that team is hot garbage and somehow beat us when we were healthy. Bottom line is we can't score points, and the franchise QB we were all so certain of might not be the real deal. Don't attack me, I'm not saying Baker is a lost cause after 3 games, all I'm saying is I swore up and down that Baker was the second coming, and now I'm not sure anymore. He looks really bad guys, and I don't know how to fix it. That stat they showed about pass plays taking longer than 2 seconds was terrifying. You have to be able to scan the field, and you can't blame the line. And if a macho guy like Baker loses his confidence, it's not coming back.
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The Titans loss is turning out to be a really good indicator of how bad we truly are, as that team is hot garbage and somehow beat us when we were healthy. Bottom line is we can't score points, and the franchise QB we were all so certain of might not be the real deal. Don't attack me, I'm not saying Baker is a lost cause after 3 games, all I'm saying is I swore up and down that Baker was the second coming, and now I'm not sure anymore. He looks really bad guys, and I don't know how to fix it. That stat they showed about pass plays taking longer than 2 seconds was terrifying. You have to be able to scan the field, and you can't blame the line. And if a macho guy like Baker loses his confidence, it's not coming back.
The Titans loss is turning out to be a really good indicator of how bad we truly are, as that team is hot garbage and somehow beat us when we were healthy. Bottom line is we can't score points, and the franchise QB we were all so certain of might not be the real deal. Don't attack me, I'm not saying Baker is a lost cause after 3 games, all I'm saying is I swore up and down that Baker was the second coming, and now I'm not sure anymore. He looks really bad guys, and I don't know how to fix it. That stat they showed about pass plays taking longer than 2 seconds was terrifying. You have to be able to scan the field, and you can't blame the line. And if a macho guy like Baker loses his confidence, it's not coming back.
I do. I blame the line. Could be wrong though I guess
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Just got done watching the game. 1st and goal from inside the 5, 43 seconds left with all 3 time outs and Freddie calls 4 straight passes.............not 1 mother fucking run.
Absolute trash. Pathetic. Any high school coach in the country would have called a better 4 play series.
Same old shit.
Just got done watching the game. 1st and goal from inside the 5, 42 seconds left with all 3 time outs and Freddie calls 4 straight passes.............not 1 mother fucking run.
Absolute trash. Pathetic. Any high school coach in the country would have called a better 4 play series.
Same old shit.
No run. No qb draw. No misdirection. We got EVERY BREAK in the world this game and STILL couldn't figure it out. I wish I had the time and ability to put together our 3 games worth of red zone plays. They'd make you vomit. Over half are Baker hiking it, panicking, running right, then chucking it. He looks like a high school qb. Freddie is completely lost. Our defense deserved that chance for OT.
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One overriding criticism: Freddie... you have to challenge that PI non-call. It was a slam-dunk...
- The play occurred with 10:11 to go in the 4th. It is rare that you would have need of 2 challenges in the next 8:11.
- Yes, you only get the down back, but you'd have 3 downs to make 9 yards... instead of only 2.
- Instead we turned the ball over on downs and you went home with two challenges in your pocket.
Initial game thoughts...
D first...
- The D did us proud... three turnovers... two by a makeshift 2ndary.
- Game ball to Joe for having a hand in two of them.... literally in the case of that last pick.
- Game ball to Wilks for his game plan.
- Sheldon... loved your false-start inducing shift near our Goalline.... but that was the only time I heard your name.
O next...
- We needed Baker under Center more.
- We needed to mix in some designed roll outs.
- We needed to go no-huddle earlier... set the pace.
- Game ball to Chubb... for being great. His patient decisiveness and use of blockers reminds me of a young L. Bell...
Maybe more tomorrow...
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He’s holding the ball way too long.
Most QBs can hold on to the ball for 1.3 seconds before they’re sacked. Our OL is atrocious
Most QBs can hold on to the ball for 1.3 seconds before they’re sacked. Our OL is atrocious
Do you have any idea of how long...how very long...that excuse has been tossed around in Cleveland?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Here's the story of the game in a nutshell.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I will be honest with you.....except for that one play where he caused the fumble, Garrett appear to be mostly a no show when it came to pressuring the QB tonight. At least, that was my impression. He seemed constantly out of breath because before nearly every play he was standing with his hands on his hips panting. I am sure he was being double and triple teamed I guess which could diminish a guy's impact.....but then others had to step up, and except for 1 or 2 times it seemed that they never really did.
Nevertheless the defense did not do badly tonight. No, this was purely about scheme and play calling to me.....and the inability to carry those out...and the complete failure to adjust when you knew that was not happening.
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Most QBs can hold on to the ball for 1.3 seconds before they’re sacked. Our OL is atrocious
Do you have any idea of how long...how very long...that excuse has been tossed around in Cleveland?
Do you have any idea of how long...how very long...that excuse has been tossed around in Cleveland?
Every year it’s mentioned - the line has always been the annual whipping boy. They’ve had more than their fair share of coverage sacks. Right now Freddie and Baker need to get better....a lot better.
They need to get healthy too or at least halfway healthy. McCray can’t man the RT spot long term. The TEs are bad. Higgins needs to get healthy.
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I will be honest with you.....except for that one play where he caused the fumble, Garrett appear to be mostly a no show when it came to pressuring the QB tonight. At least, that was my impression. He seemed constantly out of breath because before nearly every play he was standing with his hands on his hips panting. I am sure he was being double and triple teamed I guess which could diminish a guy's impact.....but then others had to step up, and except for 1 or 2 times it seemed that they never really did.
Nevertheless the defense did not do badly tonight. No, this was purely about scheme and play calling to me.....and the inability to carry those out...and the complete failure to adjust when you knew that was not happening.
I will be honest with you.....except for that one play where he caused the fumble, Garrett appear to be mostly a no show when it came to pressuring the QB tonight. At least, that was my impression. He seemed constantly out of breath because before nearly every play he was standing with his hands on his hips panting. I am sure he was being double and triple teamed I guess which could diminish a guy's impact.....but then others had to step up, and except for 1 or 2 times it seemed that they never really did.
Nevertheless the defense did not do badly tonight. No, this was purely about scheme and play calling to me.....and the inability to carry those out...and the complete failure to adjust when you knew that was not happening.
I totally concur!
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Here's the story of the game in a nutshell.
Here's the story of the game in a nutshell.
Yea, like I complain in another thread.....no outlet receiver standing there in the crease, be it a Duke Johnson like back or a FB. And no quick hitting crossing patterns.
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