I'm Convinced Freddie Is An IDIOT!!
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Did NOT like Freddie going for it on 4th down. And I thought we should have run the ball when we were down inside the 5 yard line..
The season is going according to my prediction so far. I have us at 9-7.
The season is going according to my prediction so far. I have us at 9-7.
That's incredibly generous. I had 9-7 with everything looking sunshine and roses. 6-10 more likely now.
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It's a good thing we hired Freddie as HC before another team could scoop up our "up and coming" offensive mastermind.
We really need to get somebody else calling plays immediately. I mean, you're inside the 10 yard line with 3 timeouts and 40+ seconds and you run an empty set 4 times in a row? That's not even something you would do in a video game. Obviously, the play calling has been bad in many other instances - but that's the most memorable as it cost us a chance to win the game.
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That's incredibly generous. I had 9-7 with everything looking sunshine and roses. 6-10 more likely now.
I was hoping we could get to the bye week 3-3 (I had "W" column for Titans, Jets, and 49ers). I think there's enough ability to "steal" a game over the next month, but 2-4 is a distinct, likely outcome unless things change in a hurry.
Just wish we had the schedule set-up to have the Bengals or Steelers mixed in. The Pats in New England off the bye is a cruel fate. They do have a pretty good chance to take 3-4 in a row after that though (Steelers, Bills, Broncos and Dolphins).
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It's a good thing we hired Freddie as HC before another team could scoop up our "up and coming" offensive mastermind.
We really need to get somebody else calling plays immediately. I mean, you're inside the 10 yard line with 3 timeouts and 40+ seconds and you run an empty set 4 times in a row? That's not even something you would do in a video game. Obviously, the play calling has been bad in many other instances - but that's the most memorable as it cost us a chance to win the game.
It's a good thing we hired Freddie as HC before another team could scoop up our "up and coming" offensive mastermind.
We really need to get somebody else calling plays immediately. I mean, you're inside the 10 yard line with 3 timeouts and 40+ seconds and you run an empty set 4 times in a row? That's not even something you would do in a video game. Obviously, the play calling has been bad in many other instances - but that's the most memorable as it cost us a chance to win the game.
Which leads to the question: Who is doing the play calling/offensive game planning? Seems to me an OC has some responsibility in all this somewhere. I'm less impressed with the OC since I know already what Freddie did last year with it. Something is not firing on all 8 and I don't think it's all on Freddie.
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Did NOT like Freddie going for it on 4th down. And I thought we should have run the ball when we were down inside the 5 yard line..
The season is going according to my prediction so far. I have us at 9-7.
Did NOT like Freddie going for it on 4th down. And I thought we should have run the ball when we were down inside the 5 yard line..
The season is going according to my prediction so far. I have us at 9-7.
I said numerous times before the season that I'd be satisfied with 9-7 or even 8-8. I did not ever buy the 12-4 super bowl run hype.
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We go for it on 4th down and run a fucking draw?.. Get this Retard mother fucker out of here and hire a real fucking coach.. and get an oline to go with Bito and Tretter.. The rest of the Oline BLOWS
I hate to say it, but I don't think Kitchens is going anywhere. We have to hope he learns how to game plan and call plays. It is really frustrating to watch. Mayfield is getting killed with the garbage o line. A good coach would find ways to compensate for the pass rush, to some extent. I was looking forward to the game against Baltimore next week, but now I dread it. They have an excellent defense, but overrated. The game is winnable. They are not the dominating force they think they are.
I hate to say it, but I don't think Kitchens is going anywhere. We have to hope he learns how to game plan and call plays. It is really frustrating to watch. Mayfield is getting killed with the garbage o line. A good coach would find ways to compensate for the pass rush, to some extent. I was looking forward to the game against Baltimore next week, but now I dread it. They have an excellent defense, but overrated. The game is winnable. They are not the dominating force they think they are.
When I saw them so far buried by KC, I would have agreed with you. But they came back and made it a game IN KC, and that ain't easy. I think the Ravens are tenacious, at least. I saw a lot of plays where Jackson was not up to task of throwing from the pocket on known passing downs, but he also still hit a few. I think Balt. will harass Baker much of the game unless the Browns get the rush going leading to play-action passes. They MUST get a rush going or it's gonna be a long day.
But I do give Browns a chance, if the cookie crumbles in their favor. How many of their DBs will be back for this game?
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So you thought that we would beat the Titans and the Ram? I didn't.
Titans was a do-able game in my mind. The Rams? Defensively I thought we would make it interesting - which we did. But that one was always leaning L as I saw it.
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Titans was a do-able game in my mind.
And mine. But once Robinson kicked himself out of the game....and his backup got injured....and we had to screw our OL all up just to get 5 guys on the field, the game was no longer do-able.
I didn't think that we would beat the Titans. We had a whole bunch of new pieces in place while the Titans came in as an experienced team.
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I've said before I have no beef with the draw play Sam Rutigliano and Brian Sipe used to run it with a lot of success because opposing defenses really had no idea if Brian was going to throw or not. It just didn't work this time.
To paraphrase Monty Python nobody expects the draw play. Well except for yesterday so there's that...
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I've said before I have no beef with the draw play Sam Rutigliano and Brian Sipe used to run it with a lot of success because opposing defenses really had no idea if Brian was going to throw or not. It just didn't work this time.
To paraphrase Monty Python nobody expects the draw play. Well except for yesterday so there's that...
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I've said before I have no beef with the draw play Sam Rutigliano and Brian Sipe used to run it with a lot of success because opposing defenses really had no idea if Brian was going to throw or not. It just didn't work this time.
To paraphrase Monty Python nobody expects the draw play. Well except for yesterday so there's that...
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Actually should have run Chubb three times and then pulled the draw play.
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I've said before I have no beef with the draw play Sam Rutigliano and Brian Sipe used to run it with a lot of success because opposing defenses really had no idea if Brian was going to throw or not. It just didn't work this time.
To paraphrase Monty Python nobody expects the draw play. Well except for yesterday so there's that...
WSS
I've said before I have no beef with the draw play Sam Rutigliano and Brian Sipe used to run it with a lot of success because opposing defenses really had no idea if Brian was going to throw or not. It just didn't work this time.
To paraphrase Monty Python nobody expects the draw play. Well except for yesterday so there's that...
WSS
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My problem is more with Baker than Freddie. I think the chip fell off his shoulder for one, but he is also creating the pressure sometimes by moving out of the pocket to quickly. Plus, this year a bootleg is almost a guaranteed incompletion. Night and day from last year.
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My problem is more with Baker than Freddie. I think the chip fell off his shoulder for one, but he is also creating the pressure sometimes by moving out of the pocket to quickly. Plus, this year a bootleg is almost a guaranteed incompletion. Night and day from last year.
My problem is more with Baker than Freddie. I think the chip fell off his shoulder for one, but he is also creating the pressure sometimes by moving out of the pocket to quickly. Plus, this year a bootleg is almost a guaranteed incompletion. Night and day from last year.
Yea, I don't see it. He was running for his life mostly, not moving out of the pocket too quickly. If he had not moved, he would have been toast. Not sure what game you watched. In addition, I don't think the scheme of routes being run were very well designed to give him a chance to read the field after his initial read. Way, way too many slow developing routes....which he had no time to allow to develop.
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My problem is more with Baker than Freddie. I think the chip fell off his shoulder for one, but he is also creating the pressure sometimes by moving out of the pocket to quickly. Plus, this year a bootleg is almost a guaranteed incompletion. Night and day from last year.
Yea, I don't see it. He was running for his life mostly, not moving out of the pocket too quickly. If he had not moved, he would have been toast. Not sure what game you watched. In addition, I don't think the scheme of routes being run were very well designed to give him a chance to read the field after his initial read. Way, way too many slow developing routes....which he had no time to allow to develop.
Yea, I don't see it. He was running for his life mostly, not moving out of the pocket too quickly. If he had not moved, he would have been toast. Not sure what game you watched. In addition, I don't think the scheme of routes being run were very well designed to give him a chance to read the field after his initial read. Way, way too many slow developing routes....which he had no time to allow to develop.
I didn't say every play, but it was obvious at times. I suggest you rewatch.
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Yea, I don't see it. He was running for his life mostly, not moving out of the pocket too quickly. If he had not moved, he would have been toast. Not sure what game you watched. In addition, I don't think the scheme of routes being run were very well designed to give him a chance to read the field after his initial read. Way, way too many slow developing routes....which he had no time to allow to develop.
I didn't say every play, but it was obvious at times. I suggest you rewatch.
I didn't say every play, but it was obvious at times. I suggest you rewatch.
Well, I think you implied it was frequent. But I don't think it was. It was mostly warranted. Oh, I can see how he could certainly have gotten gun shy being under the pressure he was all night, but mostly I think his having to move was legit.
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Did NOT like Freddie going for it on 4th down. And I thought we should have run the ball when we were down inside the 5 yard line..
The season is going according to my prediction so far. I have us at 9-7.
The season is going according to my prediction so far. I have us at 9-7.
I was higher... 10-6 IIRC... but I thnk both of us were in the realm of realisitc...
... unlike many here...
... and they are the ones bitching the loudest.
Which leads to the question: Who is doing the play calling/offensive game planning? Seems to me an OC has some responsibility in all this somewhere. I'm less impressed with the OC since I know already what Freddie did last year with it. Something is not firing on all 8 and I don't think it's all on Freddie.
Good question....
While I've no doubt that Freddie is having input into the gameplans, if it is mostly the OC's "product" then Freddie is calling off a sheet substantially not of his making. And that could be muddying the waters.
Not completely analogous... but remember when Pet ran the D in year 1? Remember year 2 when he did not, but had "input"?
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I say the Browns go like 8-1 in their last 9 games. A couple of tough ones, one of which they let slip by. But, OK the next 4 are rough. But I think they can split them. Of course, all this is contingent on this offense gelling and getting more in sync, which I think it will.
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Why the hell would Freddie bring in someone else to be the OC but then call his plays?
Either run the offense completely Freddie, with your offensive plan and your playcalling, or have Mokken run the offensive side of the ball and call HIS plays.
Because this offense does not resemble the offense of last season that got Freddie the job at all.
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