***Official Browns Vs. Rams Sunday Night Football Game Thread***
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I rewatched the first half looking at a few things. I thought overall the game plan was solid. Seemed to be heavy doses of quick hitters and runs. I think problems happened when the quick hit receiver wasn’t open and Baker had to read the field.
I focused a lot on Kush and McCray on the right side of the line, and yeah, they didn’t look great. They yielded pressure more than you wanna see, sometimes getting pushed back into Baker. And Donald really is something. Wow man.
Run blocking was solid though.
I’m starting to wonder if the Kitchens/Monkens pairing is just not jiving the way we’d like it to.
On defense l focused on the interior of the DL. Ogunjobi not knifing through with as much regularity as l thought l’d see.
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- Is Darren Fells still available ?
- Need to get back to 2 and 3 TE sets at times, especially early. And please, can a brother get some more under center work?!?
- Freddie panicked in his first big game -That simple. His head was going a thousand miles an hour last night and before you know it, time has run out. Been there before and it's a whacky experience. Explains the 4th down call, the lack of decent route design and the non challenge on PI.
- Tip of the cap to Wilks. Pretty great gameplan last night wasted on a miserable offensive plan that is further hamstrung by an Oline that struggles with pass pro.
- And for those being critical of Myles for apparently not single-handedly winning the game... I don't know what more you want? Not only did he force the fumble which put us in position for a lead, he had several pressures that forced a few errant passes and freed up Vernon on a couple different occasions as well. He certainly didn't play bad by any means and if you feel that way - well, you're wrong. Especially against an offense that thrives off neutralizing pressure with boots, sprints, rolls and play action. Spend more time around real football and shut off the Madden, is my best advice.
- However this is a huge test for Landry and Odell. If they want to show the leadership they pride themselves to (claim to) have, this is where they will work with Baker and Freddie to help elevate the young QB and thus the offense as a whole. But I fear the worst should we get a similar result against Baltimore.
- Dorsey tried emulating what he did in KC here. Only problem is that Baker isn't Mahomes.
- He's busy dropping passes for the Texans... seriously... he gator-armed one big time...
- Like the idea, but don't see the personnel to pull it off.
- Yup... his first time under the bright lights in the heat of the moment.... I have a two cliche' limit... he choked. But he knows it so I'm only concerned if he repeats it.
- Absolutely... FYI... the article below mentions how all the Rams' opponents, including us, are copying Bill's gameplan from last seasons' SB.
- Well put... sack total is not the measure of an Edge's contribution... it is a measure.
- Agree... and OBJ gave an All-Pro, Locker-room interview after the game.
- I assume you refer to going cheap on the OL... agree... and I think you'd agree that does not mean Baker can't still be a great QB in this League.
Seeing Rams fans reaction was interesting.
1. They thought they would roll us. The Tenn game was their barometer
2. They were upset with McVeys calls? Strange I didn’t see too many head scratchers. Maybe Kitchens made him look much better.
3. They are frustrated with their Oline? Go figure those guys too but Gurley isn’t the same back and I thought Goff had time.
Didn't see much from fans, but read this article on RamsWire...
https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/23/nfl-rams-browns-takeaways-week-3/
Mahomes has arguably one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.
You've been spending too much time with Flugels...
Maybe you didn't notice like I did- of at lest one time Witworth blatantly held Myles and got away wit it- and then a grabbing the facemask- another no call....
Give it a rest, h... the officiating in this game was pretty good. Rams fans have as much to moan about as we do...
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Freddie is going to take the blame so breath easier Browns fans. Here we are again after the Browns snatch defeat from the jaws if victory. What did Sunday night confirm, our O Line is overmatched, our rookie Head Coach makes costly mistakes and our QB is overhyped. We sit at 1-2 with a win over the lowly Jets. The negative assholes, like me, grinding away at the sunshine pumpers who think we are just one good player away from having a parade. I gotta say guys even this negative jerk is getting tired of it. The constant of just being the Browns. Against all odds finding a way to lose. Finding a way to toss out a phenomenal defensive effort. There was a point one the summer where I had hope but I should've known better but hey at least our first time ever head coach is willing to take the blame.
It needs to be shared with Dorsey. Trading away a quality OLman for a guy not putting pressure on QBs has not panned out so far. And choosing a reach for another OLman over a quality pass rusher then available was also a Dorsey mistake. But all hope is not gone. Both can be corrected in the next draft if we don't trade them all away.
It needs to be shared with Dorsey. Trading away a quality OLman for a guy not putting pressure on QBs has not panned out so far. And choosing a reach for another OLman over a quality pass rusher then available was also a Dorsey mistake. But all hope is not gone. Both can be corrected in the next draft if we don't trade them all away.
Idk seems a tad bit early to call out mistakes and judge the DLine.. they had guys wide open every play because our backup secondary was out there.
While we were down an RT to a talented Dline. I’m sure the line will be addressed next year.
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It needs to be shared with Dorsey. Trading away a quality OLman for a guy not putting pressure on QBs has not panned out so far. And choosing a reach for another OLman over a quality pass rusher then available was also a Dorsey mistake. But all hope is not gone. Both can be corrected in the next draft if we don't trade them all away.
Idk seems a tad bit early to call out mistakes and judge the DLine.. they had guys wide open every play because our backup secondary was out there.
While we were down an RT to a talented Dline. I’m sure the line will be addressed next year.
Idk seems a tad bit early to call out mistakes and judge the DLine.. they had guys wide open every play because our backup secondary was out there.
While we were down an RT to a talented Dline. I’m sure the line will be addressed next year.
It's guys who totally bought into the preseason hype "Super Bowl or bust this year" who are bitching the loudest when we didn't beat the Rams by 20...
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Idk seems a tad bit early to call out mistakes and judge the DLine.. they had guys wide open every play because our backup secondary was out there.
While we were down an RT to a talented Dline. I’m sure the line will be addressed next year.
It's guys who totally bought into the preseason hype "Super Bowl or bust this year" who are bitching the loudest when we didn't beat the Rams by 20...
It's guys who totally bought into the preseason hype "Super Bowl or bust this year" who are bitching the loudest when we didn't beat the Rams by 20...
You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
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It's guys who totally bought into the preseason hype "Super Bowl or bust this year" who are bitching the loudest when we didn't beat the Rams by 20...
You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
Week 1.... yes... guilty as charged on all counts...
Week 2 ... I can't imagine, let alone recall, a winning coach being out-coached by the losing coach.
Week 3... we looked prep'd to my eye... it's just that (as Baker said) we did not execute... and that "we" included our HC's execution of the gameplan.
Aside: Proofing what I just wrote reminded of the famous, John McKay quip when he was HC of the expansion Buccaneers. When asked after yet another very bad loss his opinion of his Offense's execution, he simply said, "I'm for it."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I was just looking at the game again.
Did Chubb ever come off the field? Did they use any other backs all night long?
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on that one point, it's nonsense. Mahomes has arguably one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.
You must be lost, homie. The poli forum where you can spout bullshit is..... ----- > thataway.
I stopped reading after this line. As a collective unit, the KC Oline is one of the worst in the NFL and the Chiefs success has largely been in spite of them. And when KC finally did come across a secondary with the ability to matchup to their receivers, the Pats proceeded to hold them to one of the worst playoff halfs in team history because of their inability to hold up under coverage rush.
Mahomes brilliance and their abundance of skill players makes that team go. Without Patrick? - then they're the Browns of last night.
You must be lost, homie. The poli forum where you can spout bullshit is..... ----- > thataway.
I stopped reading after this line. As a collective unit, the KC Oline is one of the worst in the NFL and the Chiefs success has largely been in spite of them. And when KC finally did come across a secondary with the ability to matchup to their receivers, the Pats proceeded to hold them to one of the worst playoff halfs in team history because of their inability to hold up under coverage rush.
Mahomes brilliance and their abundance of skill players makes that team go. Without Patrick? - then they're the Browns of last night.
you're the one who can make an ass of himself on both forums. congrats, you are a fraud on both.
I didn't say they were the most talented, I said they were one of the best - that is, playing together as a unit. Of course, it's easier for them - best TE in the NFL, excellent qb, etc.
I watched the game. Perhaps you forgot to take your un-stupid pill and missed that game: The Chiefs just beat the ratbirds 33-28.
and the ratbirds have one of the top defenses in the nfl.
" Part of the reason for that response is that the line play last season really was pretty good. I would stop short of saying that the Chiefs had a great offensive line, but they were certainly good enough for the Chiefs to have the best offense in all of football last season. "
Furthermore,
Such as wide receivers Demarcus Robinson and Mecole Hardman, who had TD catches while Tyreek Hill recovers from a broken collarbone. Or LeSean McCoy and Darrell Williams, who combined for 116 yards rushing and a score in place of injured running back Damien Williams. Or Cam Erving, who filled in for left tackle Eric Fisher and helped to limit the Ravens to a single sack.
"I trust that guys are going to step up and play," said Chiefs coach Andy Reid, whose 210th win broke a tie with Chuck Knoll for sixth-most in NFL history. "Each one of them collectively had a pretty good day. They took advantage of their opportunity."
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You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
Week 1.... yes... guilty as charged on all counts...
Week 2 ... I can't imagine, let alone recall, a winning coach being out-coached by the losing coach.
Week 3... we looked prep'd to my eye... it's just that (as Baker said) we did not execute... and that "we" included our HC's execution of the gameplan.
Aside: Proofing what I just wrote reminded of the famous, John McKay quip when he was HC of the expansion Buccaneers. When asked after yet another very bad loss his opinion of his Offense's execution, he simply said, "I'm for it."
Week 3... we looked prep'd to my eye... it's just that (as Baker said) we did not execute... and that "we" included our HC's execution of the gameplan.
John McKay Offense's execution, he simply said, "I'm for it."
we certainly did look prep'd, even with the back-ups & Finally!! Here's what you will get from inside the locker room. EVERYTIME!. moving On to Ravens Week...
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You must be lost, homie. The poli forum where you can spout bullshit is..... ----- > thataway.
I stopped reading after this line. As a collective unit, the KC Oline is one of the worst in the NFL and the Chiefs success has largely been in spite of them. And when KC finally did come across a secondary with the ability to matchup to their receivers, the Pats proceeded to hold them to one of the worst playoff halfs in team history because of their inability to hold up under coverage rush.
Mahomes brilliance and their abundance of skill players makes that team go. Without Patrick? - then they're the Browns of last night.
you're the one who can make an ass of himself on both forums. congrats, you are a fraud on both.
I didn't say they were the most talented, I said they were one of the best - that is, playing together as a unit. Of course, it's easier for them - best TE in the NFL, excellent qb, etc.
I watched the game. Perhaps you forgot to take your un-stupid pill and missed that game: The Chiefs just beat the ratbirds 33-28.
and the ratbirds have one of the top defenses in the nfl.
" Part of the reason for that response is that the line play last season really was pretty good. I would stop short of saying that the Chiefs had a great offensive line, but they were certainly good enough for the Chiefs to have the best offense in all of football last season. "
Furthermore,
Such as wide receivers Demarcus Robinson and Mecole Hardman, who had TD catches while Tyreek Hill recovers from a broken collarbone. Or LeSean McCoy and Darrell Williams, who combined for 116 yards rushing and a score in place of injured running back Damien Williams. Or Cam Erving, who filled in for left tackle Eric Fisher and helped to limit the Ravens to a single sack.
"I trust that guys are going to step up and play," said Chiefs coach Andy Reid, whose 210th win broke a tie with Chuck Knoll for sixth-most in NFL history. "Each one of them collectively had a pretty good day. They took advantage of their opportunity."
you're the one who can make an ass of himself on both forums. congrats, you are a fraud on both.
I didn't say they were the most talented, I said they were one of the best - that is, playing together as a unit. Of course, it's easier for them - best TE in the NFL, excellent qb, etc.
I watched the game. Perhaps you forgot to take your un-stupid pill and missed that game: The Chiefs just beat the ratbirds 33-28.
and the ratbirds have one of the top defenses in the nfl.
" Part of the reason for that response is that the line play last season really was pretty good. I would stop short of saying that the Chiefs had a great offensive line, but they were certainly good enough for the Chiefs to have the best offense in all of football last season. "
Furthermore,
Such as wide receivers Demarcus Robinson and Mecole Hardman, who had TD catches while Tyreek Hill recovers from a broken collarbone. Or LeSean McCoy and Darrell Williams, who combined for 116 yards rushing and a score in place of injured running back Damien Williams. Or Cam Erving, who filled in for left tackle Eric Fisher and helped to limit the Ravens to a single sack.
"I trust that guys are going to step up and play," said Chiefs coach Andy Reid, whose 210th win broke a tie with Chuck Knoll for sixth-most in NFL history. "Each one of them collectively had a pretty good day. They took advantage of their opportunity."
So you hit us with further opinion pieces and what is essentially The View for football? Brilliant.
I could post grades individually and by game, but you won't bother caring (per usual) to look at facts. They can have all the chemistry in the world, but they are not a great, let alone even a good Oline. Just checking out the pressures surrendered from Sunday should be enough to show how magnificent Mahomes is negating the below average line in front of him by using his mind, arm and legs.
It's ok to admit that you rush to judgement on occasion. It's ok to be wrong and to look at another perspective. I try to do so before I post. But I'll book mark your comments for later and remind you of them should that "great oline" sink another playoff run for KC.
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It's guys who totally bought into the preseason hype "Super Bowl or bust this year" who are bitching the loudest when we didn't beat the Rams by 20...
You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
That's the reason for the immense frustration, and to be honest, some sadness. Yeah we know it's just football, but this is hobby for many of us and we got a taste of what some winning feels like, and guess what? We liked it! But it goes far beyond winning and losing, it's the actual PRODUCT we're seeing and it's terrifying the fans.
Why? Because we went 500 years without a QB, and now we're starting to fear that the kid that broke rookie records is starting to look like so many rookie QBs we've had that get scared and never come back. Due to OL, poor coaching, penalties...whatever, we've seen it all, and we've seen it all THIS year. I will say this, if Baker loses his confidence he will never get it back. We cannot let this happen.
Freddie was asked if he'll relinquish play calling duties and he scoffed at the idea. I thought it was rather arrogant for a guy that is closer to being fired than he might realize. I'm telling you, that 4th and 9 draw was a bigger dagger than you think. Why? Because it was reminiscent of Hue Jackson. It was so cataclysmically terrible that it makes you think Freddie doesn't belong. Furthermore, not challenging that pass interference call ON THE SAME DRIVE was embarrassing. Jimmy doesn't want to be embarrassed anymore, and he's NOT going to wait long to fire someone like he did with Hue.
In the NFL, the margin of winning versus losing is razor thin and it's entirely possible that failing to challenge a play or calling a 4th and 9 draw is the difference between the two. For far too long we've been on the wrong side of questionable crap, and it really appeared that we were rising above that nonsense and putting "the old Browns" behind us. So yes, fans are going to be somewhat unstable when we start to see some of the same issues that plagued us in the past.
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You can spin this as "bandwagon fans are freaking out because we aren't 3-0" all you want, but this team has been disjointed, sloppy, unprepared and totally outcoached.
That's the reason for the immense frustration, and to be honest, some sadness. Yeah we know it's just football, but this is hobby for many of us and we got a taste of what some winning feels like, and guess what? We liked it! But it goes far beyond winning and losing, it's the actual PRODUCT we're seeing and it's terrifying the fans.
Why? Because we went 500 years without a QB, and now we're starting to fear that the kid that broke rookie records is starting to look like so many rookie QBs we've had that get scared and never come back. Due to OL, poor coaching, penalties...whatever, we've seen it all, and we've seen it all THIS year. I will say this, if Baker loses his confidence he will never get it back. We cannot let this happen.
Freddie was asked if he'll relinquish play calling duties and he scoffed at the idea. I thought it was rather arrogant for a guy that is closer to being fired than he might realize. I'm telling you, that 4th and 9 draw was a bigger dagger than you think. Why? Because it was reminiscent of Hue Jackson. It was so cataclysmically terrible that it makes you think Freddie doesn't belong. Furthermore, not challenging that pass interference call ON THE SAME DRIVE was embarrassing. Jimmy doesn't want to be embarrassed anymore, and he's NOT going to wait long to fire someone like he did with Hue.
In the NFL, the margin of winning versus losing is razor thin and it's entirely possible that failing to challenge a play or calling a 4th and 9 draw is the difference between the two. For far too long we've been on the wrong side of questionable crap, and it really appeared that we were rising above that nonsense and putting "the old Browns" behind us. So yes, fans are going to be somewhat unstable when we start to see some of the same issues that plagued us in the past.
or calling a 4th and 9 draw
I'm convinced that Freddie thought it was 3rd down.
It makes me feel better about the call itself, terrified that everything seems to be going 1000mph for him.
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or calling a 4th and 9 draw
I'm convinced that Freddie thought it was 3rd down.
It makes me feel better about the call itself, terrified that everything seems to be going 1000mph for him.
I'm convinced that Freddie thought it was 3rd down.
It makes me feel better about the call itself, terrified that everything seems to be going 1000mph for him.
Yep in over his head. Should not be HC and calling plays
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or calling a 4th and 9 draw
I'm convinced that Freddie thought it was 3rd down.
It makes me feel better about the call itself, terrified that everything seems to be going 1000mph for him.
I'm convinced that Freddie thought it was 3rd down.
It makes me feel better about the call itself, terrified that everything seems to be going 1000mph for him.
Pretty sure our HC not knowing the down and distance would not make me feel better...
I'll take solace in him going for the element of surprise...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm convinced that Freddie thought it was 3rd down.
It makes me feel better about the call itself, terrified that everything seems to be going 1000mph for him.
Pretty sure our HC not knowing the down and distance would not make me feel better...
I'll take solace in him going for the element of surprise...
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Idk seems a tad bit early to call out mistakes and judge the DLine.. they had guys wide open every play because our backup secondary was out there.
While we were down an RT to a talented Dline. I’m sure the line will be addressed next year.
It's guys who totally bought into the preseason hype "Super Bowl or bust this year" who are bitching the loudest when we didn't beat the Rams by 20...
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you're the one who can make an ass of himself on both forums. congrats, you are a fraud on both.
I didn't say they were the most talented, I said they were one of the best - that is, playing together as a unit. Of course, it's easier for them - best TE in the NFL, excellent qb, etc.
I watched the game. Perhaps you forgot to take your un-stupid pill and missed that game: The Chiefs just beat the ratbirds 33-28.
and the ratbirds have one of the top defenses in the nfl.
" Part of the reason for that response is that the line play last season really was pretty good. I would stop short of saying that the Chiefs had a great offensive line, but they were certainly good enough for the Chiefs to have the best offense in all of football last season. "
Furthermore,
Such as wide receivers Demarcus Robinson and Mecole Hardman, who had TD catches while Tyreek Hill recovers from a broken collarbone. Or LeSean McCoy and Darrell Williams, who combined for 116 yards rushing and a score in place of injured running back Damien Williams. Or Cam Erving, who filled in for left tackle Eric Fisher and helped to limit the Ravens to a single sack.
"I trust that guys are going to step up and play," said Chiefs coach Andy Reid, whose 210th win broke a tie with Chuck Knoll for sixth-most in NFL history. "Each one of them collectively had a pretty good day. They took advantage of their opportunity."
So you hit us with further opinion pieces and what is essentially The View for football? Brilliant.
I could post grades individually and by game, but you won't bother caring (per usual) to look at facts. They can have all the chemistry in the world, but they are not a great, let alone even a good Oline. Just checking out the pressures surrendered from Sunday should be enough to show how magnificent Mahomes is negating the below average line in front of him by using his mind, arm and legs.
It's ok to admit that you rush to judgement on occasion. It's ok to be wrong and to look at another perspective. I try to do so before I post. But I'll book mark your comments for later and remind you of them should that "great oline" sink another playoff run for KC.
So you hit us with further opinion pieces and what is essentially The View for football? Brilliant.
I could post grades individually and by game, but you won't bother caring (per usual) to look at facts. They can have all the chemistry in the world, but they are not a great, let alone even a good Oline. Just checking out the pressures surrendered from Sunday should be enough to show how magnificent Mahomes is negating the below average line in front of him by using his mind, arm and legs.
It's ok to admit that you rush to judgement on occasion. It's ok to be wrong and to look at another perspective. I try to do so before I post. But I'll book mark your comments for later and remind you of them should that "great oline" sink another playoff run for KC.
well, you just go ahead. How do you figure the Chiefs laid 33 points on a "top ten" defense, sir bragalot? and they put 40 points on the Jags in week one. I would say that is pretty good offensive line play helping the scoring. But it's okay - you can just go ahead and channel Rich in thinking offensive lines don't matter.
They are 3-0. Their oline is playing at a very high level. Just my opinion, and your napoleonic arrogance isn't going to stop me or anyone else from just having opinions, even though I never got to play football like you bragged about before.
If the chiefs offensive line starts to falter, ok. But so far, I'm seeing coordination that warrants a very high rating. Sure, the squealer oline is rated higher, blah blah... they are 0-3, so take your x's and o's and shove em.
If I wasn't fine with being wrong once in a while..? then I just would never have any opinion. So, why do you let other folks' opinions crawl down your shorts and bite you ?
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So you hit us with further opinion pieces and what is essentially The View for football? Brilliant.
I could post grades individually and by game, but you won't bother caring (per usual) to look at facts. They can have all the chemistry in the world, but they are not a great, let alone even a good Oline. Just checking out the pressures surrendered from Sunday should be enough to show how magnificent Mahomes is negating the below average line in front of him by using his mind, arm and legs.
It's ok to admit that you rush to judgement on occasion. It's ok to be wrong and to look at another perspective. I try to do so before I post. But I'll book mark your comments for later and remind you of them should that "great oline" sink another playoff run for KC.
well, you just go ahead. How do you figure the Chiefs laid 33 points on a "top ten" defense, sir bragalot? and they put 40 points on the Jags in week one. I would say that is pretty good offensive line play helping the scoring. But it's okay - you can just go ahead and channel Rich in thinking offensive lines don't matter.
They are 3-0. Their oline is playing at a very high level. Just my opinion, and your napoleonic arrogance isn't going to stop me or anyone else from just having opinions, even though I never got to play football like you bragged about before.
If the chiefs offensive line starts to falter, ok. But so far, I'm seeing coordination that warrants a very high rating. Sure, the squealer oline is rated higher, blah blah... they are 0-3, so take your x's and o's and shove em.
If I wasn't fine with being wrong once in a while..? then I just would never have any opinion. So, why do you let other folks' opinions crawl down your shorts and bite you ?
even though I never got to play football like you bragged about before.
So the helmet you wear regularly is for another reason?
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