A main concern on Ravens' game
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I think Wilks just showed us what he can do against a good offense (NFC Champs) with a bunch of 3rd string Secondary players.
He took Billy B’s scheme that worked against the Rams in the super bowl and adapted it well.
He knows you gotta make Lamar throw the ball, so he will make him throw it.
I see Lamar getting cute with that spin move in the backfield and Garrett or Obie eating his lunch. We aren’t the Fins or the Cards Defense. Hell... the Chiefs defense is ranked 14 behind us at 24....
Keep him contained, make him throw it, and let the big dogs eat.
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I think Wilks just showed us what he can do against a good offense (NFC Champs) with a bunch of 3rd string Secondary players.
He took Billy B’s scheme that worked against the Rams in the super bowl and adapted it well.
He knows you gotta make Lamar throw the ball, so he will make him throw it.
I see Lamar getting cute with that spin move in the backfield and Garrett or Obie eating his lunch. We aren’t the Fins or the Cards Defense. Hell... the Chiefs defense is ranked 14 behind us at 24....
Keep him contained, make him throw it, and let the big dogs eat.
I think Wilks just showed us what he can do against a good offense (NFC Champs) with a bunch of 3rd string Secondary players.
He took Billy B’s scheme that worked against the Rams in the super bowl and adapted it well.
He knows you gotta make Lamar throw the ball, so he will make him throw it.
I see Lamar getting cute with that spin move in the backfield and Garrett or Obie eating his lunch. We aren’t the Fins or the Cards Defense. Hell... the Chiefs defense is ranked 14 behind us at 24....
Keep him contained, make him throw it, and let the big dogs eat.
Hopefully we get a couple starters back in the defensive backfield.
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I think Wilks just showed us what he can do against a good offense (NFC Champs) with a bunch of 3rd string Secondary players.
He took Billy B’s scheme that worked against the Rams in the super bowl and adapted it well.
He knows you gotta make Lamar throw the ball, so he will make him throw it.
I see Lamar getting cute with that spin move in the backfield and Garrett or Obie eating his lunch. We aren’t the Fins or the Cards Defense. Hell... the Chiefs defense is ranked 14 behind us at 24....
Keep him contained, make him throw it, and let the big dogs eat.
Hopefully we get a couple starters back in the defensive backfield.
Hopefully we get a couple starters back in the defensive backfield.
Ya... I’m really worried about those ham string injuries with Ward and Williams And Randle with his concussion.... all those injuries can be lingering pain in the asses all season long.
Makes me wonder if Ward was playing with a bad hamstring the first two games
i will say though.... the guys that played the Rams game... were pretty impressive.... outside of those two plays they decided not to cover Cupp and let him run free for two TD’s...
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I want us to make Jackson beat us with his arm. So that means:
- Job 1 is to stop Ingram, who ran very well (and hard) to hang 103 yd on 16 carries vs. KC.
- Job 2? Stop Gus Edwards who has looked good all season spelling Ingram and added 53 yd on 7 carries.
- 3? Control the clock... the one area where BLT "beat" KC Sunday was TOP. That's a stat we need to win with heavy doses of Chubb... and hopefully Hilliard. Against a front 7 that is a "Who's Who of Who???" we should be able to do this.
Doing the above should set us up to win the turnover battle. It is worth noting that Jackson has yet to turn the ball over this season... no picks... no fumbles. Whereas our QB... well... let's just say that the less he throws into the Raven 2ndary (Humphrey-Jefferson-Thomas-Smith/Carr*), the better.
*Note: Carr has been playing in place of the injured Smith.
I want us to make Jackson beat us with his arm. So that means:
- Job 1 is to stop Ingram, who ran very well (and hard) to hang 103 yd on 16 carries vs. KC.
- Job 2? Stop Gus Edwards who has looked good all season spelling Ingram and added 53 yd on 7 carries.
- 3? Control the clock... the one area where BLT "beat" KC Sunday was TOP. That's a stat we need to win with heavy doses of Chubb... and hopefully Hilliard. Against a front 7 that is a "Who's Who of Who???" we should be able to do this.
Doing the above should set us up to win the turnover battle. It is worth noting that Jackson has yet to turn the ball over this season... no picks... no fumbles. Whereas our QB... well... let's just say that the less he throws into the Raven 2ndary (Humphrey-Jefferson-Thomas-Smith/Carr*), the better.
*Note: Carr has been playing in place of the injured Smith.
I like this except I don’t play time of possession with them. I would force their hand. On O- let’s go RPO no huddle get Baker in a rhythm slow their blitz. Some of you are terrified of our Oline- help them out here. Let’s try to get up early by a couple scores and force their hand.
The Ravens can hurt us when Ingram and Jackson get rolling and can keep us off balance like you said. Let’s try not to make it reality and go full throttle on offense see if we can jump out early
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Ratbirds pass rush has been less than impressive this year.
So.... we got that going for us.
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Hopefully we get a couple starters back in the defensive backfield.
Ya... I’m really worried about those ham string injuries with Ward and Williams And Randle with his concussion.... all those injuries can be lingering pain in the asses all season long.
Makes me wonder if Ward was playing with a bad hamstring the first two games
i will say though.... the guys that played the Rams game... were pretty impressive.... outside of those two plays they decided not to cover Cupp and let him run free for two TD’s...
Ya... I’m really worried about those ham string injuries with Ward and Williams And Randle with his concussion.... all those injuries can be lingering pain in the asses all season long.
Makes me wonder if Ward was playing with a bad hamstring the first two games
i will say though.... the guys that played the Rams game... were pretty impressive.... outside of those two plays they decided not to cover Cupp and let him run free for two TD’s...
They did play their asses off. What team could hold the Rams O down fairly well missing 4 starting DBs? Come on, you have to consider that.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/browns-inactives-week-3-starting-secondary/
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Ratbirds pass rush has been less than impressive this year.
So.... we got that going for us.
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But they are stoudt. Physical.
No disagreement. Harbaughs primary is to control the running game on both sides of the ball. They have a talented secondary, but unlike New England, haven't shown the creativity to scheme and manufacture pressure with a patchwork pass rush.
That said, the pass rush comments mean little when the Titans show a blueprint of only needing to make Baker "uncomfortable" then sending a delayed 4th man. Until he learns to slide his feet and reset in the pocket more efficiently, that will be something we're going to see often vs our offense.
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Ya... I’m really worried about those ham string injuries with Ward and Williams And Randle with his concussion.... all those injuries can be lingering pain in the asses all season long.
Makes me wonder if Ward was playing with a bad hamstring the first two games
i will say though.... the guys that played the Rams game... were pretty impressive.... outside of those two plays they decided not to cover Cupp and let him run free for two TD’s...
They did play their asses off. What team could hold the Rams O down fairly well missing 4 starting DBs? Come on, you have to consider that.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/browns-inactives-week-3-starting-secondary/
They did play their asses off. What team could hold the Rams O down fairly well missing 4 starting DBs? Come on, you have to consider that.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/browns-inactives-week-3-starting-secondary/
True, but just as DCs learn from tape on a backup//new QB so, too, do OCs on new 2ndary member(s). Effort is great, but it's no substitute (at least not a complete one) for talent.
And it is not as if LAR's WRs did not have successes vs. our game 2ndary... so some things worked. And those are the things we'll see more of this coming Sunday.
That said... I have a half-feeling/half-hope we'll see both Greedy and Burnett this Sunday... plus Higgins return... ?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The Ravens D is missing two important pieces last year from a communication standpoint Mosley and Weddle. Mosley is missed from a talent standpoint too and It shows. Old man Fitzgerald was wide open multiple times and the Chiefs WRs has plenty of room to operate. Jimmy Smith is out. This is could be a game to get Baker fixed and pass game fixed. I don’t necessarily think ball control is the way to go...but them at a deficit early...maybe go to Chubb in 4th and break their will
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They did play their asses off. What team could hold the Rams O down fairly well missing 4 starting DBs? Come on, you have to consider that.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/browns-inactives-week-3-starting-secondary/
True, but just as DCs learn from tape on a backup//new QB so, too, do OCs on new 2ndary member(s). Effort is great, but it's no substitute (at least not a complete one) for talent.
And it is not as if LAR's WRs did not have successes vs. our game 2ndary... so some things worked. And those are the things we'll see more of this coming Sunday.
That said... I have a half-feeling/half-hope we'll see both Greedy and Burnett this Sunday... plus Higgins return... ?
True, but just as DCs learn from tape on a backup//new QB so, too, do OCs on new 2ndary member(s). Effort is great, but it's no substitute (at least not a complete one) for talent.
And it is not as if LAR's WRs did not have successes vs. our game 2ndary... so some things worked. And those are the things we'll see more of this coming Sunday.
They had four drops in the first half and our DBs were bailing all night on the 10-15 route not giving up anything deep. The Rams didn’t execute well. We actually played better in the second half (at least I thought) but the Rams O executed much better. We need our secondary back big time
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The Ravens D is missing two important pieces last year from a communication standpoint Mosley and Weddle. Mosley is missed from a talent standpoint too and It shows. Old man Fitzgerald was wide open multiple times and the Chiefs WRs has plenty of room to operate. Jimmy Smith is out. This is could be a game to get Baker fixed and pass game fixed. I don’t necessarily think ball control is the way to go...but them at a deficit early...maybe go to Chubb in 4th and break their will
The Ravens D is missing two important pieces last year from a communication standpoint Mosley and Weddle. Mosley is missed from a talent standpoint too and It shows. Old man Fitzgerald was wide open multiple times and the Chiefs WRs has plenty of room to operate. Jimmy Smith is out. This is could be a game to get Baker fixed and pass game fixed. I don’t necessarily think ball control is the way to go...but them at a deficit early...maybe go to Chubb in 4th and break their will
Agree... Mosely left a gap...
But Weddle... I think Thomas' arrival more than balanced the ledger there... with some left over to backfill for Mosely.
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I'm concerned with the amount of penalties the Browns commit. It's one thing to get beat, but the Browns get in their own way constantly.
Regarding the Ratbirds, it's going to be tough but they can steal the game. I don't think the secondary in Baltimore is s strong suit for them. I'd dink & dunk down the field if I was Freddy.
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The Ravens D is missing two important pieces last year from a communication standpoint Mosley and Weddle. Mosley is missed from a talent standpoint too and It shows. Old man Fitzgerald was wide open multiple times and the Chiefs WRs has plenty of room to operate. Jimmy Smith is out. This is could be a game to get Baker fixed and pass game fixed. I don’t necessarily think ball control is the way to go...but them at a deficit early...maybe go to Chubb in 4th and break their will
Agree... Mosely left a gap...
But Weddle... I think Thomas' arrival more than balanced the ledger there... with some left over to backfill for Mosely.
Agree... Mosely left a gap...
But Weddle... I think Thomas' arrival more than balanced the ledger there... with some left over to backfill for Mosely.
Thomas and Weddle are two different players. One is rangier the other is better within 10 yards and arguably a better blitzer as well. If the D Coordinator isnt game planning to the new players strengths than it really doesn’t matter if Thomas is slightly better.
The Arizona game told me a lot about the new look Ravens.
Don’t forgot about old man Suggs too. He’s gone.
defense is about scheme and communication and I don’t think the Ravens have it yet. Unfortunately neither does our offense. Huge game for us.
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I'm concerned with the amount of penalties the Browns commit. It's one thing to get beat, but the Browns get in their own way constantly.
Regarding the Ratbirds, it's going to be tough but they can steal the game. I don't think the secondary in Baltimore is s strong suit for them. I'd dink & dunk down the field if I was Freddy.
I'm concerned with the amount of penalties the Browns commit. It's one thing to get beat, but the Browns get in their own way constantly.
Regarding the Ratbirds, it's going to be tough but they can steal the game. I don't think the secondary in Baltimore is s strong suit for them. I'd dink & dunk down the field if I was Freddy.
I'm concerned the Browns came away empty at the 5 yard line at the end of the game with the Rams. They had everything in their favor to run the ball for a TD with 4 running plays to get 5 yards. They had enough time with 40 secs and three time outs and Chubb was running well. How could they not score? They found a way by choosing to unnecessarily throw the ball instead of running. They found a way to beat themselves and it seems like this team needs to find ways to win games instead of losing games. This was terrible play calling on the goal line.
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Agree... Mosely left a gap...
But Weddle... I think Thomas' arrival more than balanced the ledger there... with some left over to backfill for Mosely.
Thomas and Weddle are two different players. One is rangier the other is better within 10 yards and arguably a better blitzer as well. If the D Coordinator isnt game planning to the new players strengths than it really doesn’t matter if Thomas is slightly better.
The Arizona game told me a lot about the new look Ravens.
Don’t forgot about old man Suggs too. He’s gone.
defense is about scheme and communication and I don’t think the Ravens have it yet. Unfortunately neither does our offense. Huge game for us.
Don’t forgot about old man Suggs too. He’s gone.
True... and he still ain't looking old...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Agree... Mosely left a gap...
But Weddle... I think Thomas' arrival more than balanced the ledger there... with some left over to backfill for Mosely.
Thomas and Weddle are two different players. One is rangier the other is better within 10 yards and arguably a better blitzer as well. If the D Coordinator isnt game planning to the new players strengths than it really doesn’t matter if Thomas is slightly better.
The Arizona game told me a lot about the new look Ravens.
Don’t forgot about old man Suggs too. He’s gone.
defense is about scheme and communication and I don’t think the Ravens have it yet. Unfortunately neither does our offense. Huge game for us.
Thomas and Weddle are two different players. One is rangier the other is better within 10 yards and arguably a better blitzer as well. If the D Coordinator isnt game planning to the new players strengths than it really doesn’t matter if Thomas is slightly better.
The Arizona game told me a lot about the new look Ravens.
Don’t forgot about old man Suggs too. He’s gone.
defense is about scheme and communication and I don’t think the Ravens have it yet. Unfortunately neither does our offense. Huge game for us.
Re: the last bit about communication. Earl admitted in off season camps how much more complex the BLT defense is compared to SEA. This is especially a big deal because when you're back on a hash you have the field view. You can make adjustments, calls and alignment changes as necessary. But that becomes a hell of a lot harder when the language you communicate the changes in is no longer 2nd nature. Things are passed around slower, inaccurately or sometimes not at all.
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Thomas and Weddle are two different players. One is rangier the other is better within 10 yards and arguably a better blitzer as well. If the D Coordinator isnt game planning to the new players strengths than it really doesn’t matter if Thomas is slightly better.
The Arizona game told me a lot about the new look Ravens.
Don’t forgot about old man Suggs too. He’s gone.
defense is about scheme and communication and I don’t think the Ravens have it yet. Unfortunately neither does our offense. Huge game for us.
Re: the last bit about communication. Earl admitted in off season camps how much more complex the BLT defense is compared to SEA. This is especially a big deal because when you're back on a hash you have the field view. You can make adjustments, calls and alignment changes as necessary. But that becomes a hell of a lot harder when the language you communicate the changes in is no longer 2nd nature. Things are passed around slower, inaccurately or sometimes not at all.
Re: the last bit about communication. Earl admitted in off season camps how much more complex the BLT defense is compared to SEA. This is especially a big deal because when you're back on a hash you have the field view. You can make adjustments, calls and alignment changes as necessary. But that becomes a hell of a lot harder when the language you communicate the changes in is no longer 2nd nature. Things are passed around slower, inaccurately or sometimes not at all.
Absolutely - example of what you describe is the OSU 2018 Defense.
They are one corner down - the other had a concussion last week and a free safety still feeling things out. Along with a disappointing pass rush.
Its time to get the offense on track.
They really need employ tempo and RPO and make this secondary and pass rush think and work harder.
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This is exactly the team you DON'T want to play when you desperately need a victory. Don't let the Ravens pass defense stats fool you, much of that is bloated due to the fact they played the Chiefs. People like to say the Ravens aren't good simply because they don't like them, but I can pretty much promise everyone that they're not only good, they're downright scary.
They're scary because of their offense and their defense is physical as always. Even without Suggs and Mosley, they're still going to pressure a rattled Mayfield and probably cause several turnovers. Even scarier is our propensity to kick FG's and not even come close to getting touchdowns. Here's something else...every Ravens game I've watched has them starting off FAST. That's probably because it takes the defense some time to adjust to them and they score touchdowns quickly. I don't like the thought of our team down early, as that means Baker will press and that's a formula for disaster.
You want good news? Well, the good news is that of we somehow win, we'll be first in our lousy division. That's pretty incredible considering how poorly we've played on offense. But if we don't figure out how to actually put points on the board, we can forget it. 13 won't work this week, and Baker must find a way to get his moxy back or the young season will turn old with the swiftness.
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