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  • chocoC choco

    @the-gipper said:

    Well....Right....no, there is no one that can block him one on one.....but that is essentially what the Browns tried to do it seems.   The question is:  can they block him  with two on one.   Have the OC or OG in there...and also have a RB...be it a fullback or anyone else who can block also in their chipping on him, or full blown blasting on him.   Slow him down...some at least, so that Baker doesn't have to scramble after 1.5 seconds on every play...and so he can maybe make some 1 or 2 reads after his first. 

    Where you getting this 1.5 seconds from? Week 2 baker had the highest average time to throw. Last week, 2.96 seconds. 

    @choco said:

    Where you getting this 1.5 seconds from? Week 2 baker had the highest average time to throw. Last week, 2.96 seconds. 

    I didn't make it up.   Somewhere, somehow, TV, radio...print....I saw that in a lot of instances that that is how much time he had on a lot of plays.

    bjh2130B 1 Reply

  • Yes, you very obviously did. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @choco said:

    Where you getting this 1.5 seconds from? Week 2 baker had the highest average time to throw. Last week, 2.96 seconds. 

    I didn't make it up.   Somewhere, somehow, TV, radio...print....I saw that in a lot of instances that that is how much time he had on a lot of plays.

    @the-gipper said:

    I didn't make it up.   Somewhere, somehow, TV, radio...print....I saw that in a lot of instances that that is how much time he had on a lot of plays.

    you didn't see that's how much time he had on average you saw that when he got the ball out that quick by design going into the 4th quarter he was like 13/14 for 110+ yards and 1 td.

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  • S SdBacker80

    There may be some personal issues holding this team back.  

    @sdbacker80 said:

    There may be some personal issues holding this team back.  

    Has anyone considered Baker may having some kinda Yoko Ono effect? Big life changes for him in a short time. New wife, new responsibilities, new obligations. 

  • bjh2130B bjh2130

    @the-gipper said:

    I didn't make it up.   Somewhere, somehow, TV, radio...print....I saw that in a lot of instances that that is how much time he had on a lot of plays.

    you didn't see that's how much time he had on average you saw that when he got the ball out that quick by design going into the 4th quarter he was like 13/14 for 110+ yards and 1 td.

    @bjh2130 said:

    you didn't see that's how much time he had on average you saw that when he got the ball out that quick by design going into the 4th quarter he was like 13/14 for 110+ yards and 1 td.

    Could that have been where I saw that?  Maybe.  It could have been something like "he needs to get the ball out in 1.5 seconds in order to have  X amount of success. 

    So...wherever you saw what you saw, what did it say about what happened when he did not get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @bjh2130 said:

    you didn't see that's how much time he had on average you saw that when he got the ball out that quick by design going into the 4th quarter he was like 13/14 for 110+ yards and 1 td.

    Could that have been where I saw that?  Maybe.  It could have been something like "he needs to get the ball out in 1.5 seconds in order to have  X amount of success. 

    So...wherever you saw what you saw, what did it say about what happened when he did not get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds?

    @the-gipper said:

    Could that have been where I saw that?  Maybe.  It could have been something like "he needs to get the ball out in 1.5 seconds in order to have  X amount of success. 

    So...wherever you saw what you saw, what did it say about what happened when he did not get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds?

    It didn't say anything directly about what happened if ball was still in his hands after 1.5 seconds.  What it infers is when his fist read is not open he becomes much less accurate and indecisive on where to go with the ball. It says that maybe he panics. I don't know that it says anything about the oline 

  • bjh2130B bjh2130

    @the-gipper said:

    Could that have been where I saw that?  Maybe.  It could have been something like "he needs to get the ball out in 1.5 seconds in order to have  X amount of success. 

    So...wherever you saw what you saw, what did it say about what happened when he did not get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds?

    It didn't say anything directly about what happened if ball was still in his hands after 1.5 seconds.  What it infers is when his fist read is not open he becomes much less accurate and indecisive on where to go with the ball. It says that maybe he panics. I don't know that it says anything about the oline 

    @bjh2130 said:

    It didn't say anything directly about what happened if ball was still in his hands after 1.5 seconds.  What it infers is when his fist read is not open he becomes much less accurate and indecisive on where to go with the ball. It says that maybe he panics. I don't know that it says anything about the oline 

    I heard some talk this morning on the radio that it is actually the way the offense as planned and that he only have one read the make and then after that it’s up to him to improvise. Like I said that’s the plan which seems like a bad plan

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @bjh2130 said:

    It didn't say anything directly about what happened if ball was still in his hands after 1.5 seconds.  What it infers is when his fist read is not open he becomes much less accurate and indecisive on where to go with the ball. It says that maybe he panics. I don't know that it says anything about the oline 

    I heard some talk this morning on the radio that it is actually the way the offense as planned and that he only have one read the make and then after that it’s up to him to improvise. Like I said that’s the plan which seems like a bad plan

    @the-gipper said:

    I heard some talk this morning on the radio that it is actually the way the offense as planned and that he only have one read the make and then after that it’s up to him to improvise. Like I said that’s the plan which seems like a bad plan

    Rex ryan had said that Baker only makes one read then just goes the improvision route in his "baker is overrated as hell" spiel. Freddie came out and said that's not true at all and Baker makes more than one read.  Whether he does or not who knows. One thing im certain of is the offense isn't one read and then improvise. Freddie has looked shaky as a first time head coach, but there is absolutely no way anyone would have that be the plan for their offense in the NFL. Hell you're very unlikely to see that be the plan in high school football. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @bjh2130 said:

    It didn't say anything directly about what happened if ball was still in his hands after 1.5 seconds.  What it infers is when his fist read is not open he becomes much less accurate and indecisive on where to go with the ball. It says that maybe he panics. I don't know that it says anything about the oline 

    I heard some talk this morning on the radio that it is actually the way the offense as planned and that he only have one read the make and then after that it’s up to him to improvise. Like I said that’s the plan which seems like a bad plan

    @the-gipper said:

    I heard some talk this morning on the radio that it is actually the way the offense as planned and that he only have one read the make and then after that it’s up to him to improvise. Like I said that’s the plan which seems like a bad plan

    Sounds like the media is right on it.

    Sounds like an offense geared toward a gun slingin big arm rookie.

    Year 2,3,4 growth you start making other reads.  

    People use the Brett Farve comparison a lot with Baker and Farve has his worst year by far his second year (I believe).  Vanilla offense year 1 slight expansion as the years went on. 

    I think truthfully he could stand to probably learn the playbook a little better that probably comes with time too  

  • S SdBacker80

    @the-gipper said:

    I heard some talk this morning on the radio that it is actually the way the offense as planned and that he only have one read the make and then after that it’s up to him to improvise. Like I said that’s the plan which seems like a bad plan

    Sounds like the media is right on it.

    Sounds like an offense geared toward a gun slingin big arm rookie.

    Year 2,3,4 growth you start making other reads.  

    People use the Brett Farve comparison a lot with Baker and Farve has his worst year by far his second year (I believe).  Vanilla offense year 1 slight expansion as the years went on. 

    I think truthfully he could stand to probably learn the playbook a little better that probably comes with time too  

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Sounds like the media is right on it.

    Sounds like an offense geared toward a gun slingin big arm rookie.

    Year 2,3,4 growth you start making other reads.  

    People use the Brett Farve comparison a lot with Baker and Farve has his worst year by far his second year (I believe).  Vanilla offense year 1 slight expansion as the years went on. 

    I think truthfully he could stand to probably learn the playbook a little better that probably comes with time too  

    Typically even with rookies they don't just give a quarterback one read.  They give them a half of the field to read. I highly doubt Baker only has one read on passing plays. On rpo plays absolutely he has only one read as does every quarterback on rpo plays.

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