Referee who no-called hit on Baker's head in Tampa has been assigned to Ravens game
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That had to hurt!!!
CYO game speed is a tad shy of NFL... so there's that.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
CYO game speed is a tad shy of NFL... so there's that.
Do they still have CYO leagues anymore?
And yes there are even some differences between high school and D-II and D-I and the pros ask anyone who has made the jump up.
I had a neighbor who was First team All Ohio DE and went to the B1G and told me everyone else is big something there. The pros are even better, faster, stronger and playing for keeps.
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CYO game speed is a tad shy of NFL... so there's that.
Do they still have CYO leagues anymore?
And yes there are even some differences between high school and D-II and D-I and the pros ask anyone who has made the jump up.
I had a neighbor who was First team All Ohio DE and went to the B1G and told me everyone else is big something there. The pros are even better, faster, stronger and playing for keeps.
Do they still have CYO leagues anymore?
And yes there are even some differences between high school and D-II and D-I and the pros ask anyone who has made the jump up.
I had a neighbor who was First team All Ohio DE and went to the B1G and told me everyone else is big something there. The pros are even better, faster, stronger and playing for keeps.
Yes there are youth leagues. But it seems safe to say that while players are coached up the officiating falls behind. Part time makes it just kinda sorta okay. Certainly not a profession. Even though it is professional football.Â
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No issue with you there, doug...
After all this time it's hard to believe that the NFL still does not have full time officials.
MLB understandably does with what approaches a year-round, 162 game schedule... ditto NBA (82) and NHL (80).
That means is that each bad/missed call is magnified by the NFL's compressed 16 game schedule... not to mention its single-elimination playoff system vs. best-of-7 in the other major sports.
It's past time for the owners to open their wallets and make their Officials "Pros".
In the off-season they can review the rules and refine them to make them work for them... and us.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The NFL referee situation always baffled me as to the requirements and other details. BTW they just very recently signed a new 7 year agreement with the NFL I have not seen the new details but it runs through the 2025 season.
The current deal was through the 2020 season but they wanted this deal DONE no strike this time. In the current deal in 2019 the referees averaged $201,000/yr plus playoffs.
They also used to be required to have another outside job, why would you need that now?
Great gig if you can get it, and remember that the NFL is loaded with cash the referees salaries are a small drop in the bucket for them.
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The NFL referee situation always baffled me as to the requirements and other details. BTW they just very recently signed a new 7 year agreement with the NFL I have not seen the new details but it runs through the 2025 season.
The current deal was through the 2020 season but they wanted this deal DONE no strike this time. In the current deal in 2019 the referees averaged $201,000/yr plus playoffs.
They also used to be required to have another outside job, why would you need that now?
Great gig if you can get it, and remember that the NFL is loaded with cash the referees salaries are a small drop in the bucket for them.
The NFL referee situation always baffled me as to the requirements and other details. BTW they just very recently signed a new 7 year agreement with the NFL I have not seen the new details but it runs through the 2025 season.
The current deal was through the 2020 season but they wanted this deal DONE no strike this time. In the current deal in 2019 the referees averaged $201,000/yr plus playoffs.
They also used to be required to have another outside job, why would you need that now?
Great gig if you can get it, and remember that the NFL is loaded with cash the referees salaries are a small drop in the bucket for them.
Will the nfl finally give them vision care?...lol
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The NFL referee situation always baffled me as to the requirements and other details. BTW they just very recently signed a new 7 year agreement with the NFL I have not seen the new details but it runs through the 2025 season.
The current deal was through the 2020 season but they wanted this deal DONE no strike this time. In the current deal in 2019 the referees averaged $201,000/yr plus playoffs.
They also used to be required to have another outside job, why would you need that now?
Great gig if you can get it, and remember that the NFL is loaded with cash the referees salaries are a small drop in the bucket for them.
Will the nfl finally give them vision care?...lol
Will the nfl finally give them vision care?...lol
HELL NO! They can't get it right with TWO eyes. I can't imagine how bad they would be with FOUR!
Mike
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Referee who no-called hit on Baker's head in Tampa has been assigned to Ravens game
Posted: 12:24 PM, Sep 25, 2019ÂCLEVELAND — The NFL announced the referee assignments for Week 4 games, and Cleveland will be seeing a familiar face. Shawn Hochuli and his crew will officiate the Browns game against the Ravens on Sunday afternoon in Baltimore.
Hochuli has some history with the Browns.
The Tampa Bay game
When the Browns played the Buccaneers in Tampa in 2018, Shawn Hochuli, the son of retired ref Ed Hochuli, and his crew were the officiants. In the fourth quarter, a flag was thrown after Buccaneers safety Jordan Whitehead tackled Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield helmet-to-helmet. After discussion with his crew, Hochuli announced that “the quarterback was still a runner and therefore is allowed to be hit in the head. He had not yet begun his slide. There is, therefore, no foul."
The NFL recognized that Whitehead should have been penalized on that play for either of two infractions: unnecessary roughness for a hit to the head of a sliding player or unsportsmanlike conduct for using his helmet to hit a player, according to ESPN.
The should-be foul ruled Mayfield down at the 41-yard line with 7:47 left and the Browns behind 23-16. A 15-yard penalty would have put the Browns at the 26-yard line. The Browns were able to get to the 1-yard line on that drive but failed to score. They went on to tie it 23-23 but lost in overtime 26-23.
Just last week
Shawn Hochuli is coming off another controversial game. In the Week 3 Thursday Night Football game featuring the Titans and the Jaguars, the Hochuli crew's flag-throwing caught the attention of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.
Brady, like so many others watching the game, was upset about the number of penalties called.
Hochuli and his crew called 15 penalties in the first half, eight of which were for holding. There were 20 penalties in total for the game, including declined penalties.
Record-setting calls
Last season, Hochuli's crew set an NFL single-season record by assessing 253 penalties for 2,164 yards. His crew called 25 more penalties than any other crew and 84 more penalties than the NFL's low crew.
We'll see what happens in Baltimore
With the increase of holding calls this season and the Browns already having been called for 12 holding calls—both offensively and defensively—don't be surprised if Hochuli and his officiating pull out their flags a lot on Sunday when the Browns take on the Ravens.
Referee who no-called hit on Baker's head in Tampa has been assigned to Ravens game
Posted: 12:24 PM, Sep 25, 2019ÂCLEVELAND — The NFL announced the referee assignments for Week 4 games, and Cleveland will be seeing a familiar face. Shawn Hochuli and his crew will officiate the Browns game against the Ravens on Sunday afternoon in Baltimore.
Hochuli has some history with the Browns.
The Tampa Bay game
When the Browns played the Buccaneers in Tampa in 2018, Shawn Hochuli, the son of retired ref Ed Hochuli, and his crew were the officiants. In the fourth quarter, a flag was thrown after Buccaneers safety Jordan Whitehead tackled Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield helmet-to-helmet. After discussion with his crew, Hochuli announced that “the quarterback was still a runner and therefore is allowed to be hit in the head. He had not yet begun his slide. There is, therefore, no foul."
The NFL recognized that Whitehead should have been penalized on that play for either of two infractions: unnecessary roughness for a hit to the head of a sliding player or unsportsmanlike conduct for using his helmet to hit a player, according to ESPN.
The should-be foul ruled Mayfield down at the 41-yard line with 7:47 left and the Browns behind 23-16. A 15-yard penalty would have put the Browns at the 26-yard line. The Browns were able to get to the 1-yard line on that drive but failed to score. They went on to tie it 23-23 but lost in overtime 26-23.
Just last week
Shawn Hochuli is coming off another controversial game. In the Week 3 Thursday Night Football game featuring the Titans and the Jaguars, the Hochuli crew's flag-throwing caught the attention of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.
Brady, like so many others watching the game, was upset about the number of penalties called.
Hochuli and his crew called 15 penalties in the first half, eight of which were for holding. There were 20 penalties in total for the game, including declined penalties.
Record-setting calls
Last season, Hochuli's crew set an NFL single-season record by assessing 253 penalties for 2,164 yards. His crew called 25 more penalties than any other crew and 84 more penalties than the NFL's low crew.
We'll see what happens in Baltimore
With the increase of holding calls this season and the Browns already having been called for 12 holding calls—both offensively and defensively—don't be surprised if Hochuli and his officiating pull out their flags a lot on Sunday when the Browns take on the Ravens.
Classic Hochuli! Father & son can tell you every rule in the book. The problem is they aren't always in position to MAKE the correct call - or in this case overrule the call of the official that was in much better position than the Wundumsonnabitch.
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I am still pissed at the refs that screwed us how many times against the Skins years back? The PI call on Haden where he clearly never touched the wr, the play where they said Duke fumbled yet he walks out of the pile with the ball yet the same female ref had already gave Washington the ball, I can name thousands of calls or no calls against the Browns, I promise you the refs will make up for that missed call on Baker by making sure they flag our D for bullshit calls. This bullshit does happen to us week in and week out. Maybe we need another bottlegate and put the refs on notice.?Â
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I am still pissed at the refs that screwed us how many times against the Skins years back? The PI call on Haden where he clearly never touched the wr, the play where they said Duke fumbled yet he walks out of the pile with the ball yet the same female ref had already gave Washington the ball, I can name thousands of calls or no calls against the Browns, I promise you the refs will make up for that missed call on Baker by making sure they flag our D for bullshit calls. This bullshit does happen to us week in and week out. Maybe we need another bottlegate and put the refs on notice.?Â
I am still pissed at the refs that screwed us how many times against the Skins years back? The PI call on Haden where he clearly never touched the wr, the play where they said Duke fumbled yet he walks out of the pile with the ball yet the same female ref had already gave Washington the ball, I can name thousands of calls or no calls against the Browns, I promise you the refs will make up for that missed call on Baker by making sure they flag our D for bullshit calls. This bullshit does happen to us week in and week out. Maybe we need another bottlegate and put the refs on notice.?Â
That’s one idea. Could be fun too. But realistically, until the owners decide that they want better officiating, we’re stuck with their bullshit officials. Cleveland must be the only nfl town with intellectual fans that know bullshit calls. You can hear the chants over the tv/radio announcers. Never hear that from other stadiums. I think if there were huge chants of bullshit, bullshit after bad calls at each stadium then you’d have big dollar tv execs complaining to the owners too. They have the money. Affect the money, affect the game.Â
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