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  • Many of us like having a FB, and we briefly experimented it in preseason before our guy got a concussion. Apparently he was immediately laying the wood but got cut shortly after the injury. It should be noted that most teams don't use a FB, but I've always liked them. Also noted is that the 49's have the best one in the game and use him perfectly. 

    Baker had time to throw more often than not. Did we have several plays blow up on us. Yeah we did. Was it too many? Yes it was. But the stats show that he has enough time to throw and the problem is that he can't find the open guy, the routes are too long, and he's absolutely atrocious at hitting his outlet. Baker misses more easy passes to his RB or TE than anyone I've ever seen. He just doesn't throw it for some reason. He needs to understand that 4 yards is OK! 

    And what the HELL is going on with Baker's ball security. I mean, Jesus. It also didn't help that Greg Robinson had a terrible game and got beat multiple times by Bosa. What really hurts is that Myles Garrett, our defensive player of the year candidate, didn't do shit. Sure he had a sack, but it meant nothing. He certainly wasn't a factor, not like Bosa was. What I'm saying is, we need our stars to act like stars, and that's not happening. How many passes has OBJ dropped the past 2 games? 

    What also hurts is how close we are to making plays. Baker's first pick was a freakin touchdown but he got hit right when he let it loose causing it to be short and into the hands of that jackass Sherman. He got roasted by Calloway but got bailed out. Then, Baker hits Calloway in the hands for a TD, and while the throw wasn't good, it should have been a score. Basically our players aren't making plays. 

    Let me tell you something else...Baker can't throw worth a damn. I'm not sure if it's his footwork opening up or if he's hearing footsteps, but he can't throw worth a shit. Almost everything is high, he can't hit OBJ worth a damn, he doesn't see the field, and he can't hit the deep ball. Name me ONE deep ball Baker hit this year. You can't because there isn't one. Not one, and don't bring up that one-handed OBJ catch because that was garbage and we got a FG out of it. 

    You want to know what an offense is supposed to look like, just watch San Francisco. Timing, running the ball, quick passing, exploiting the middle of the field, and finishing with touchdowns. That's an offense. We came out with two trick plays and a whole bunch of nothing. Our best throw came from our own WR. I don't know if we can figure things out, but all those games everyone expects us to win in the second half of the season aren't looking like victories anymore, are they? And here this now, if we're 2-5 after the Patriots game, which I'm betting we will be, the rumblings will be very loud. SOMEONE will be let go, whether it's Kitchens or Monken. Our offense really is that bad, and you can't just hand it off to Nick Chubb 50 times a game. 

    We'll see what we're made of Sunday, and as luck would have it, Seattle comes off a nice 10 days of rest. They'll be healthy, rested, and smelling blood. We'll have our backs to the wall and we need a herculean effort to stave off the negativity because it's coming quicker than we want. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Let me tell you something else...Baker can't throw worth a damn. I'm not sure if it's his footwork opening up or if he's hearing footsteps, but he can't throw worth a shit. Almost everything is high, he can't hit OBJ worth a damn, he doesn't see the field, and he can't hit the deep ball. Name me ONE deep ball Baker hit this year. You can't because there isn't one. Not one, and don't bring up that one-handed OBJ catch because that was garbage and we got a FG out of it. 

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Let me tell you something else...Baker can't throw worth a damn. I'm not sure if it's his footwork opening up or if he's hearing footsteps, but he can't throw worth a shit. Almost everything is high, he can't hit OBJ worth a damn, he doesn't see the field, and he can't hit the deep ball. Name me ONE deep ball Baker hit this year. You can't because there isn't one. Not one, and don't bring up that one-handed OBJ catch because that was garbage and we got a FG out of it. 

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    @calfoxwc said:

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    The problem with Baker (and the playcaller, Freddie) is that they appear to panic when down and go for chunk plays rather than methodically working back into the game with short passes. Defenses have picked up on that and easily pin their ears back with our suspect O line.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    The problem with Baker (and the playcaller, Freddie) is that they appear to panic when down and go for chunk plays rather than methodically working back into the game with short passes. Defenses have picked up on that and easily pin their ears back with our suspect O line.

    @mddawg said:

    The problem with Baker (and the playcaller, Freddie) is that they appear to panic when down and go for chunk plays rather than methodically working back into the game with short passes. Defenses have picked up on that and easily pin their ears back with our suspect O line.

    true, it seems that way - I just wonder why they don't run the quick slants other teams run so much.  But Kitchens and co will fix it.

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Let me tell you something else...Baker can't throw worth a damn. I'm not sure if it's his footwork opening up or if he's hearing footsteps, but he can't throw worth a shit. Almost everything is high, he can't hit OBJ worth a damn, he doesn't see the field, and he can't hit the deep ball. Name me ONE deep ball Baker hit this year. You can't because there isn't one. Not one, and don't bring up that one-handed OBJ catch because that was garbage and we got a FG out of it. 

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    @calfoxwc said:

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    Problem is, the Seahawks might just be the best team in the dang league right now, and I don't want ANY part of them.  I dare you to look at Russell Wilson's stats this year.  Dare you.  ?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    Problem is, the Seahawks might just be the best team in the dang league right now, and I don't want ANY part of them.  I dare you to look at Russell Wilson's stats this year.  Dare you.  ?

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Problem is, the Seahawks might just be the best team in the dang league right now, and I don't want ANY part of them.  I dare you to look at Russell Wilson's stats this year.  Dare you.  ?

    OK I'm stupid I'll bite......

    Passing Rushing   Fumbles Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps
    Date Week Tm   Opp Result GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Rush Yds Y/A TD TD Fmb FF FR Yds TD Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct
    2019-09-08 1 SEA   CIN W 21-20 * 14 20 70.00 196 2 0 134.6 4 35 9.80 11.80 4 8 2.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 51 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-09-15 2 SEA @ PIT W 28-26 * 29 35 82.86 300 3 0 131.0 4 26 8.57 10.29 6 22 3.67 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 78 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-09-22 3 SEA   NOR L 27-33 * 32 50 64.00 406 2 0 102.6 0 0 8.12 8.92 7 51 7.29 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 83 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-09-29 4 SEA @ ARI W 27-10 * 22 28 78.57 240 1 0 114.3 4 15 8.57 9.29 2 7 3.50 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 62 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-10-03 5 SEA   LAR W 30-29 * 17 23 73.91 268 4 0 151.8 1 6 11.65 15.13 8 32 4.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 74 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    Upcoming Games · Bye in Week 11
     
    Oh shit.
  • On the bright side look at who they have played two tough teams 1-1, three pansies 3-0.  

    And yet the books have it as CLE +1.5, hmmmmm, why not higher?  

  • Let's finish this line of thought, Mayfield.......

    Passing Rushing Fumbles Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps
    Date Week Tm   Opp Result GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Rush Yds Y/A TD Fmb FF FR Yds TD Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct
    2019-09-08 1 CLE   TEN L 13-43 * 25 38 65.79 285 1 3 64.0 5 41 7.50 4.47 0 0   0 0 0 0 0 0 71 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-09-16 2 CLE @ NYJ W 23-3 * 19 35 54.29 325 1 1 83.6 3 20 9.29 8.57 0 0   0 0 0 0 0 0 69 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-09-22 3 CLE   LAR L 13-20 * 18 36 50.00 195 1 1 64.0 3 20 5.42 4.72 1 -1 -1.00 0 1 0 1 0 0 68 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-09-29 4 CLE @ BAL W 40-25 * 20 30 66.67 342 1 1 102.4 1 5 11.40 10.57 3 1 0.33 0 0 0 0 0 0 67 100% 0 0% 0 0%
    2019-10-07 5 CLE @ SFO L 3-31 * 8 22 36.36 100 0 2 13.4 4 42 4.55 0.45 0 0   0 2 0 0 0 0 46 94% 0 0% 0 0%
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    Oh shit.

    So who's due for a breakout game maybe?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    It is true he is throwing bad, but aren't the high throws a result of having your weight on the back foot, knee bent? or one of the reasons?

        Baker is trying desperately to make a play, with the oline collapsing Tim Couch style. It was a very bad matchup, and the offensive line is having a really tough time. They did get their timing back for the ratskunk game... again, he didn't have time to set his feet most of the time. I will admit - a few times he had time - but he still moves because he lost confidence in the offensive line already, and the moving results in crap throws all too often.

    The oline collapsed, and so did Baker's performance. But I watched Peyton Manning's oline collapse in a playoff game years ago, and he ended up throwing four interceptions that game.

     the niners are akin to the Rams - loaded. The Browns will bounce back. again.

    Problem is, the Seahawks might just be the best team in the dang league right now, and I don't want ANY part of them.  I dare you to look at Russell Wilson's stats this year.  Dare you.  ?

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Problem is, the Seahawks might just be the best team in the dang league right now, and I don't want ANY part of them.  I dare you to look at Russell Wilson's stats this year.  Dare you.  ?

    Is 12 touchdowns compared to 0 interceptions good? 

  • There are more factors than I'll list but I'll offer the 2018 Colts as an example. Frank Reich was a first year coach, that had only been an OC prior to being hired as a head coach. He was not even the Colts first choice.

    They started 2018 1-6 and things have turned out okay in Indianapolis with less offensive firepower and a significantly stronger offensive line.

  • Many of us like having a FB, and we briefly experimented it in preseason before our guy got a concussion. Apparently he was immediately laying the wood but got cut shortly after the injury. It should be noted that most teams don't use a FB, but I've always liked them. Also noted is that the 49's have the best one in the game and use him perfectly. 

    Baker had time to throw more often than not. Did we have several plays blow up on us. Yeah we did. Was it too many? Yes it was. But the stats show that he has enough time to throw and the problem is that he can't find the open guy, the routes are too long, and he's absolutely atrocious at hitting his outlet. Baker misses more easy passes to his RB or TE than anyone I've ever seen. He just doesn't throw it for some reason. He needs to understand that 4 yards is OK! 

    And what the HELL is going on with Baker's ball security. I mean, Jesus. It also didn't help that Greg Robinson had a terrible game and got beat multiple times by Bosa. What really hurts is that Myles Garrett, our defensive player of the year candidate, didn't do shit. Sure he had a sack, but it meant nothing. He certainly wasn't a factor, not like Bosa was. What I'm saying is, we need our stars to act like stars, and that's not happening. How many passes has OBJ dropped the past 2 games? 

    What also hurts is how close we are to making plays. Baker's first pick was a freakin touchdown but he got hit right when he let it loose causing it to be short and into the hands of that jackass Sherman. He got roasted by Calloway but got bailed out. Then, Baker hits Calloway in the hands for a TD, and while the throw wasn't good, it should have been a score. Basically our players aren't making plays. 

    Let me tell you something else...Baker can't throw worth a damn. I'm not sure if it's his footwork opening up or if he's hearing footsteps, but he can't throw worth a shit. Almost everything is high, he can't hit OBJ worth a damn, he doesn't see the field, and he can't hit the deep ball. Name me ONE deep ball Baker hit this year. You can't because there isn't one. Not one, and don't bring up that one-handed OBJ catch because that was garbage and we got a FG out of it. 

    You want to know what an offense is supposed to look like, just watch San Francisco. Timing, running the ball, quick passing, exploiting the middle of the field, and finishing with touchdowns. That's an offense. We came out with two trick plays and a whole bunch of nothing. Our best throw came from our own WR. I don't know if we can figure things out, but all those games everyone expects us to win in the second half of the season aren't looking like victories anymore, are they? And here this now, if we're 2-5 after the Patriots game, which I'm betting we will be, the rumblings will be very loud. SOMEONE will be let go, whether it's Kitchens or Monken. Our offense really is that bad, and you can't just hand it off to Nick Chubb 50 times a game. 

    We'll see what we're made of Sunday, and as luck would have it, Seattle comes off a nice 10 days of rest. They'll be healthy, rested, and smelling blood. We'll have our backs to the wall and we need a herculean effort to stave off the negativity because it's coming quicker than we want. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Many of us like having a FB, and we briefly experimented it in preseason before our guy got a concussion

    Plus we traded the guy, an H-back, who replaced him... and that guy was doing a decent job lead blocking... and would be an asset at TE to boot.

    @ap1 said:

    ... with less offensive firepower and a significantly stronger offensive line.

    Cha-ching!

    Plus an underrated D... including a couple of Browns castoffs.