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  • D BoneD D Bone

    It wasn't that many years ago that EVERY team took the opening kickoff when they won the toss - then Bill the genius changed all of that.  Taking the ball first was not the reason the Browns lost......... they lost because the 9ers are a much better team. 

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    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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    @d-bone said:

    It wasn't that many years ago that EVERY team took the opening kickoff when they won the toss - then Bill the genius changed all of that.  Taking the ball first was not the reason the Browns lost......... they lost because the 9ers are a much better team. 

    Just one more example of why it’s called a “copycat” league

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    • Tour2maT Tour2ma

      @jrb12711 said:

      There's a reason the best coaches in the league defer. There's much more to be had from building momentum right before half and into the 3rd quarter, as opposed to the early momentum of a game This is validated by stats which indicate teams that defer win approximately 62% of the time, on average.

      Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do...

      The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking.

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      @tour2ma said:

      Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do...

      The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking.

      Agreed. I prefer kicking first so you get the ball on 3rd quater, not necessarily because you can get two possessions in a row, but because it's where the game really is at stake. Moreover, I would only elect to receive if it were the 99 Rams or a once in a lifetime offense that will give you a lead that you can work from. 

      In our case, I think we've been able to stop most of the first drives of the other teams (apart from SF, I don't remember any first drive TD). And our defense is way better than our offense as of today, so let the best unit start the battle. 

      It could also work in favor of Mayfield not being the first one in the spotlight right when the game begins. 

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      • CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

        Even if the offense was playing up to its potential. Why?

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        @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

        Even if the offense was playing up to its potential. Why?

        Why not?  To me it is six of one, half a dozen of the other.

        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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          @jrb12711 said:

          There's a reason the best coaches in the league defer. There's much more to be had from building momentum right before half and into the 3rd quarter, as opposed to the early momentum of a game This is validated by stats which indicate teams that defer win approximately 62% of the time, on average.

          Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do...

          The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking.

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          jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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          @tour2ma said:

          Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do...

          The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking.

          Eh, agree to disagree with you on that one. I can't think of a game where a team doesn't have a strong chance to build momentum going into 1/2 time. Obviously execution comes into play, but that doesn't have to mean getting the last possession before half and kicking a FG as time expires. Games are much more  won or lost after halftime than on the first possession (our MNF debacle aside).

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            jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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            I always thought it was because teams wanted their Offense on the field after 1st half adjustments. 

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              My friend always complains when a team doesn’t take the ball when they win the toss. Claims he has some math that proves you average more possessions when you take the ball at the beginning of the game. He’s kind of a drunk, so I never checked his math, but at one point in his life he was pretty damn smart, so he may be correct.  

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              @hx214 said:

              My friend........ Claims he has some math that proves

              1)  If you elect to receive:   you could - start with the ball and end the half with the ball.  Then end the game with the ball.   That's.....umm....three

              2)  If you elect to defer:  you could - end the half with the ball.  Then start and end the second have with the ball.   That's....three

              * you may substitute 'meaningful possessions' with the term 'the ball'.

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              If you receive, and you go 3 and out because they're doing something on D that you didn't expect....

              If you defer, then you've seen their plan and can perhaps make a meaningful adjustment to give you a better chance at not going 3 and out.

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                I always thought it was because teams wanted their Offense on the field after 1st half adjustments. 

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                @jcam222 said:

                I always thought it was because teams wanted their Offense on the field after 1st half adjustments. 

                What adjustments are you talking about?

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                  S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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                  We played two run based teams (arguably three until The Rams forgot about Gurley) in a row.

                  i actually see exactly what Freddie Dining Room wanted to do by getting the ball - scoring - and putting a run based team in an early hole.  Now he just needs to work on the going down the field and scoring part. 

                  Way too many other things to worry about than electing to receive.  

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                    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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                    “The central reason most coaches have given for deferring comes down to the chance to pair a score at the end of the first half with one at the start of the second. It’s the only opportunity a team has for two straight possessions and can be a chance to instantly put the game out of reach.” 

                    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/2016/01/14/nfl-coin-toss-deferral-patriots-bill-belichick

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                      @hx214 said:

                      My friend........ Claims he has some math that proves

                      1)  If you elect to receive:   you could - start with the ball and end the half with the ball.  Then end the game with the ball.   That's.....umm....three

                      2)  If you elect to defer:  you could - end the half with the ball.  Then start and end the second have with the ball.   That's....three

                      * you may substitute 'meaningful possessions' with the term 'the ball'.

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                      If you receive, and you go 3 and out because they're doing something on D that you didn't expect....

                      If you defer, then you've seen their plan and can perhaps make a meaningful adjustment to give you a better chance at not going 3 and out.

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                      hx214H hx214 wrote on last edited by
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                      @orion said:

                      1)  If you elect to receive:   you could - start with the ball and end the half with the ball.  Then end the game with the ball.   That's.....umm....three

                      2)  If you elect to defer:  you could - end the half with the ball.  Then start and end the second have with the ball.   That's....three

                      * you may substitute 'meaningful possessions' with the term 'the ball'.

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                      If you receive, and you go 3 and out because they're doing something on D that you didn't expect....

                      If you defer, then you've seen their plan and can perhaps can make a meaningful adjustment to give you a better chance at not going 3 and out.

                      Ya.... I wasn’t talking about counting on your finger type math.... was statistical stuff.... but ok.

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