***Browns VS Seahawks Gameday Thread***
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What were you guys seeing the ball was through his hands? Should he have handed him the ball? Wait that would be better call he’s a RB
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By design.
When you stick an aging LB out on a RB, I'm going to take the easy yardage.
And if Baker throws the ball anywhere near where it should be thrown, it would have been successful.
You can't throw the ball BEHIND a guy running a slant and expect it not to get intercepted. That game-ender was totally on Baker.
Baker is nowhere as accurate as some on here make/made him out to be.
Baker is nowhere as accurate as some on here make/made him out to be.
Baker isn't consistently* accurate. Key word there. When he forgets his feet, the ball sails and it sails high/wide. It's a 3-4 year trend. Needs real work.
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And Hilliard isn't the backup, he's becoming the preferred pass catching RB
Duke Johnson flips the ball into the air for an interception or does he catch it?
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What were you guys seeing the ball was through his hands? Should he have handed him the ball? Wait that would be better call he’s a RB
What were you guys seeing the ball was through his hands? Should he have handed him the ball? Wait that would be better call he’s a RB
Dion Lewis, Alvin Kamara, James White, David Johnson, Philip Lindsay, Gio Bernard, Christian McCaffery, Duke Johnson and a whole lot of other good pass catching RB's are waving at you right now. You know very little about this game, I take?
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Freddie max's out at coaching some team in Alabama that is not a major college. He speaks in platitudes and acts like he doesn't see the flow of the game. R. Wilson runs in the 4th quarter to win the games. Happens all the time. You have to stop him from running. Plus all these penalties?
Fish rots from the head down. Cleaning out the coaches after last year's impressive close was incomprehensible. Another year with the Browns.
Does anyone know if Baker has a drinking problem? Overweight, slow reflexes, worse than last year.
freddie sucks as a coach, however, we have no players that can stop anyone on defense...our defense totally blows...as bad as the couch yrs and beyond....we have creampuff dbs who can't tackle worth a shit...so how are you going to stop wilson...you cannot....not with this d...lbs are slow and never around....again, we suck at putting pressure on any qb....our front ofc sucks...knucklehead jimmy boy is in his plush ofc scratching his head again wondering why or why am i such a football moron....looks like another season of half full stadium games in a couple weeks as the drunken ones who show up yell hic...what the fuck.....hic....boooooooooo....hic
freddie sucks as a coach, however, we have no players that can stop anyone on defense...our defense totally blows...as bad as the couch yrs and beyond....we have creampuff dbs who can't tackle worth a shit...so how are you going to stop wilson...you cannot....not with this d...lbs are slow and never around....again, we suck at putting pressure on any qb....our front ofc sucks...knucklehead jimmy boy is in his plush ofc scratching his head again wondering why or why am i such a football moron....looks like another season of half full stadium games in a couple weeks as the drunken ones who show up yell hic...what the fuck.....hic....boooooooooo....hic
Go ahead and vent, have a drink or five and chill out. We had the 4th and 5th string DBs out there today, or you forget that little detail? The D stopped them deep when we didn't score that TD FYI.
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While I'm just as upset as anyone regarding our win/loss record, I'm probably leading the group in my overall frustration and shear disappointment of Freddie's coaching - and moreover his play calling.
Freddie looks overwhelmed on the sideline and his play calling reflects that....... He actually told the media dudes in the mandatory Saturday meeting that "the Browns are not a pass first team"?
Well coach, I don't know what to tell you if you can't even recognize your own team. You wouldn't know what 3 straight run plays looked like even if Chubb kicked you in the nuts after an 11yd run.
Right now, it's just more of the same...... Different coach. Different players. Same old record.
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What were you guys seeing the ball was through his hands? Should he have handed him the ball? Wait that would be better call he’s a RB
Dion Lewis, Alvin Kamara, James White, David Johnson, Philip Lindsay, Gio Bernard, Christian McCaffery, Duke Johnson and a whole lot of other good pass catching RB's are waving at you right now. You know very little about this game, I take?
Dion Lewis, Alvin Kamara, James White, David Johnson, Philip Lindsay, Gio Bernard, Christian McCaffery, Duke Johnson and a whole lot of other good pass catching RB's are waving at you right now. You know very little about this game, I take?
I played WR and coached ball thanks.
again why is your Backup RB flanked out getting first look when you have the studs that we have and the ball was Through two hands. Catch the ball. Or as a play caller don’t put a RB in that spot flank out another guy.
I hate the empty look- I’ve said it here a lot.
how successful has it been?
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Dion Lewis, Alvin Kamara, James White, David Johnson, Philip Lindsay, Gio Bernard, Christian McCaffery, Duke Johnson and a whole lot of other good pass catching RB's are waving at you right now. You know very little about this game, I take?
I played WR and coached ball thanks.
again why is your Backup RB flanked out getting first look when you have the studs that we have and the ball was Through two hands. Catch the ball. Or as a play caller don’t put a RB in that spot flank out another guy.
I hate the empty look- I’ve said it here a lot.
how successful has it been?
I played WR and coached ball thanks.
again why is your Backup RB flanked out getting first look when you have the studs that we have and the ball was Through two hands. Catch the ball. Or as a play caller don’t put a RB in that spot flank out another guy.
I hate the empty look- I’ve said it here a lot.
how successful has it been?
No you didn't, otherwise you would have been able to answer your own question. And coaching at a midget league level doesn't count.
Agreed on the empty sets though.
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I guess I'll explain this one....
Apologies for the black screen, it's coming off of a tablet. Also apologies for the crude red lines, I don't know how to use the editor on this thing (I was never into Phones, tablets, etc etc)
The look you're seeing is Cover 3. It is the staple of the Seattle defense since Pete Carroll has arrived and will continue to be until he has retired.
The red lines generally indicate how you zone flow in a cover 3 vs a 2x3 set. There are variances between all coaches though on how they want the #2 and #3 read and 'walled' by the linebackers/DB's etc etc. You know this is cover 3 because the MOTF closed safety isn't leaving the hash and the corners are in bail technique (hips inside, eyes back)
There are 2 reads on this play that would have worked. The first is where Baker didn't go because his throwing over the middle has been questionable this year - and that would be to the #3 of the formation strength. I believe that is Brown and Landry. They square their routes fast inside after reading defender leverage and Brown runs a little "settle' in front of the linebacker. That would have been where I would go with the ball given the depth of the MOTF safety and the depth of the lurk safety. That said, Baker went elsewhere and it wasn't the problem.
He see's Wright being flat footed, checking the #2 moving upfield and knows that the LB won't recover to beat the throw. There are few in the game with that ability. Now it is possible that Baker expected Hilliard to curl inside and not square his route off on the slant as much. Even then, this ball is still behind and it's still HOT. Don't listen to what the broadcasters were saying. This isn't a back shoulder throw and it was never supposed to be.
Taking a 2nd look at it, honestly, looks like a miscommunication combined with a throw that was coming in with some smoke. Either way, it's a good call and works vs that coverage, it was, as I said before - executed poorly.
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Thanks for X and Os let me dumb it down to my midget ball level.
It was executed poorly because you are asking a RB to run a route and make a catch in a big spot. If I want a big grab and play I’m counting on Hilliard? And if god forbid the QB throws something hot and a little behind a WR can make the grab.
It’s clutch time final drive and you empty things out. When has that worked and If you agree with not getting into this empty set why are we flanked to the left by Hillard and making per snap reads in his favor. He’s a decent pass protector use him in that spot.
i highlight and stress this play because I’m not enamored by the scheme and play calls that we are seeing this season.
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Seems nothing has changed.
This same shit is being played over and over, year after year, and the only thing that has changed are the faces.
Over the last 20 years of suckdom there were dozens of games, some JUST LIKE THIS FUCKING ONE TODAY that we should have won. Some we should have won if it weren't for penalties and lack of discipline, some we should have won if it weren't for bad play calling, fumbling, miscues, and interceptions...and how sad is it that each one of those detractors to winning has been on display yet again through the first 6 games.
Yeah "wait till next year". The optimist in me would look at games we shoulda, coulda, woulda won that year and use that as a reason to be highly optimistic about the following year....only to be duped into to the same shit.
So here we are, after all the preseason hype, all the high expectations, all the Baker hype, we're right on schedule talking about firing the head coach after only six games into the season.
Only in this damn* town.
* Cleveland is not "damn" town. Love my town. Just an expression over being frustrated.
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Thanks for X and Os let me dumb it down to my midget ball level.
It was executed poorly because you are asking a RB to run a route and make a catch in a big spot. If I want a big grab and play I’m counting on Hilliard? And if god forbid the QB throws something hot and a little behind a WR can make the grab.
It’s clutch time final drive and you empty things out. When has that worked and If you agree with not getting into this empty set why are we flanked to the left by Hillard and making per snap reads in his favor. He’s a decent pass protector use him in that spot.
i highlight and stress this play because I’m not enamored by the scheme and play calls that we are seeing this season.
Thanks for X and Os
It was executed poorly because you are asking a RB to run a route and make a catch in a big spot.
If I want a big grab and play I’m counting on Hilliard?
And if god forbid the QB throws something hot and a little behind a WR can make the grab.
It’s clutch time final drive and you empty things out. When has that worked
Why are we flanked to the left by Hillard and making per snap reads in his favor.
i highlight and stress this play because I’m not enamored by the scheme and play calls that we are seeing this season.
- Thought you were a coach?
- You're asking a pass catcher to catch a pass. This is asked by plenty of RB's throughout the NFL. This isn't the 70's. These guys are elite athletes able to reel in passes rather regularly.
- This wasn't meant to be a "big grab". It was meant to be cheap yards in front of the sticks with the potential for YAC and/or getting out of bounds.
- Zero guarantee a WR makes that grab either. Would you somehow magically feel better if Jarvis tipped that ball into the air? Not likely. Because then you would bitch about a WR having stone hands.
- Empty sets have worked to some degree in this offense. But we tend to overuse them in the redzone as recently history has shown.
- I guess my explanation is too difficult to digest?
- I'm not either, but this isn't the call to hang your hat on.
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While I'm just as upset as anyone regarding our win/loss record, I'm probably leading the group in my overall frustration and shear disappointment of Freddie's coaching - and moreover his play calling.
Freddie looks overwhelmed on the sideline and his play calling reflects that....... He actually told the media dudes in the mandatory Saturday meeting that "the Browns are not a pass first team"?
Well coach, I don't know what to tell you if you can't even recognize your own team. You wouldn't know what 3 straight run plays looked like even if Chubb kicked you in the nuts after an 11yd run.
Right now, it's just more of the same...... Different coach. Different players. Same old record.
While I'm just as upset as anyone regarding our win/loss record, I'm probably leading the group in my overall frustration and shear disappointment of Freddie's coaching - and moreover his play calling.
Freddie looks overwhelmed on the sideline and his play calling reflects that....... He actually told the media dudes in the mandatory Saturday meeting that "the Browns are not a pass first team"?
Well coach, I don't know what to tell you if you can't even recognize your own team. You wouldn't know what 3 straight run plays looked like even if Chubb kicked you in the nuts after an 11yd run.
Right now, it's just more of the same...... Different coach. Different players. Same old record.
Throwing in the towel already. I hear Hue Jackson would like another shot at coaching all this talent....
Jackson was overwhelmed by comparison, Pat Sure-loss looked like he was coaching from another planet on the sidelines. Freddie? I'm reserving judgement for a few more games. The problem is- as I said earlier in another thread- some guys think we should be at worst 5-1 and smoking playoff teams with our overwhelming talent.
You old enough to remember this one from the old stadium? Jump Art- and land on Bill. Six games in as a HC, and some of you are ready to run Freddie out of town on a rail......
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Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
freddie sucks as a coach, however, we have no players that can stop anyone on defense...our defense totally blows...as bad as the couch yrs and beyond....we have creampuff dbs who can't tackle worth a shit...so how are you going to stop wilson...you cannot....not with this d...lbs are slow and never around....again, we suck at putting pressure on any qb....our front ofc sucks...knucklehead jimmy boy is in his plush ofc scratching his head again wondering why or why am i such a football moron....looks like another season of half full stadium games in a couple weeks as the drunken ones who show up yell hic...what the fuck.....hic....boooooooooo....hic
Go ahead and vent, have a drink or five and chill out. We had the 4th and 5th string DBs out there today, or you forget that little detail? The D stopped them deep when we didn't score that TD FYI.
Go ahead and vent, have a drink or five and chill out. We had the 4th and 5th string DBs out there today, or you forget that little detail? The D stopped them deep when we didn't score that TD FYI.
who fucking cares.....bottom line is you have to have depth........tackling is tackling...these dudes are on the same practice field as the injured players...they have the same opportunities to shine....they.....are.....fucking.....soft creampuffs......
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Go ahead and vent, have a drink or five and chill out. We had the 4th and 5th string DBs out there today, or you forget that little detail? The D stopped them deep when we didn't score that TD FYI.
who fucking cares.....bottom line is you have to have depth........tackling is tackling...these dudes are on the same practice field as the injured players...they have the same opportunities to shine....they.....are.....fucking.....soft creampuffs......
who fucking cares.....bottom line is you have to have depth........tackling is tackling...these dudes are on the same practice field as the injured players...they have the same opportunities to shine....they.....are.....fucking.....soft creampuffs......
let me add something else...even the starters are not that physical.....you are not looking at their technique....every fucking game, whether its the starters or these subs...they basically throw themselves at the rb's or wr's with a shoulder instead of hitting them....and you don't think that is an issue.....maybe it is the coaching that is making them look like cream puffs.....or maybe it is a combo of poor pathetic coaching and dbs that should not be in the nfl.....dude...there is an issue with both the starters and the subs....
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Nope Baker is awesome, can't be on him. Do you know he set the rookie single season passing TD record last year.
Oh, the good ole days....
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