***Browns VS Seahawks Gameday Thread***
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Nope Baker is awesome, can't be on him. Do you know he set the rookie single season passing TD record last year.
Oh, the good ole days....
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Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
What pass did Landry drop? I think people are already having an apologist revisionist history (for baker). His int in the endzone under 2 minutes was no where near Landrys fault. It was very high and very behind him. Landry did all he could just to get one hand on it to keep Griffin from picking it off unfortunately another player was there to catch the deflection. As bad as the decision to even throw to him (even if placed properly it has do chance of being complete) my big concern is why is Baker snapping that ball with 25 seconds on the playclock during a running clock?
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Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
Orion- I just went back and took a look at the final interception that ended the game, multiple times in slo-mo. MHO? Plenty of blame to go around. So:
1) Was the pass slightly behind? Absolutely. but
2) The receiver is looking at the ball the whole way- like at least 5 yards before the ball got there- did he adjust the route to slow down a tad (he wasn't being closely covered) nope
3) The ball was maybe a foot behind- does a guy who's getting paid money to play football make that catch? At least 9 out of 10 times yes
4) Did Baker determine where he was going with the ball on a pre snap read? probably, yes- BUT
5) This will drive Jiggins nuts- did Baker survey the field before the throw? (he had a clean pocket) NO!!!
6) There was plenty of time and timeouts- this wasn't desperation mode- Baker had someone wide open in the middle of the field with the Seattle LBs 5 yards off of him for an easy completion.
Is Baker as good as we thought he might be? Maybe, maybe not. If teams are going to scheme to take away his pre snap read, and he can't go through his progressions, he's in big trouble. His receivers haven't been doing him any favors in the last two games either, dropping catchable balls that turn into interceptions- whoops!!!! I'll wait for our geeks to get the number off of PFR to say what our catch to drop ratio is relative to the rest of the league- on stuff that's "catchable".
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Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
What pass did Landry drop? I think people are already having an apologist revisionist history (for baker). His int in the endzone under 2 minutes was no where near Landrys fault. It was very high and very behind him. Landry did all he could just to get one hand on it to keep Griffin from picking it off unfortunately another player was there to catch the deflection. As bad as the decision to even throw to him (even if placed properly it has do chance of being complete) my big concern is why is Baker snapping that ball with 25 seconds on the playclock during a running clock?
What pass did Landry drop? I think people are already having an apologist revisionist history (for baker). His int in the endzone under 2 minutes was no where near Landrys fault. It was very high and very behind him. Landry did all he could just to get one hand on it to keep Griffin from picking it off unfortunately another player was there to catch the deflection. As bad as the decision to even throw to him (even if placed properly it has do chance of being complete) my big concern is why is Baker snapping that ball with 25 seconds on the playclock during a running clock?
That should be on Freddie- eat clock Baker, no need to try and force a ball into a tight window and expect Landry to pull one out of his ass... Throw it in the seats if he's not wide open.
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Thanks for X and Os
It was executed poorly because you are asking a RB to run a route and make a catch in a big spot.
If I want a big grab and play I’m counting on Hilliard?
And if god forbid the QB throws something hot and a little behind a WR can make the grab.
It’s clutch time final drive and you empty things out. When has that worked
Why are we flanked to the left by Hillard and making per snap reads in his favor.
i highlight and stress this play because I’m not enamored by the scheme and play calls that we are seeing this season.
- Thought you were a coach?
- You're asking a pass catcher to catch a pass. This is asked by plenty of RB's throughout the NFL. This isn't the 70's. These guys are elite athletes able to reel in passes rather regularly.
- This wasn't meant to be a "big grab". It was meant to be cheap yards in front of the sticks with the potential for YAC and/or getting out of bounds.
- Zero guarantee a WR makes that grab either. Would you somehow magically feel better if Jarvis tipped that ball into the air? Not likely. Because then you would bitch about a WR having stone hands.
- Empty sets have worked to some degree in this offense. But we tend to overuse them in the redzone as recently history has shown.
- I guess my explanation is too difficult to digest?
- I'm not either, but this isn't the call to hang your hat on.
- Thought you were a coach?
- You're asking a pass catcher to catch a pass. This is asked by plenty of RB's throughout the NFL. This isn't the 70's. These guys are elite athletes able to reel in passes rather regularly.
- This wasn't meant to be a "big grab". It was meant to be cheap yards in front of the sticks with the potential for YAC and/or getting out of bounds.
- Zero guarantee a WR makes that grab either. Would you somehow magically feel better if Jarvis tipped that ball into the air? Not likely. Because then you would bitch about a WR having stone hands.
- Empty sets have worked to some degree in this offense. But we tend to overuse them in the redzone as recently history has shown.
- I guess my explanation is too difficult to digest?
- I'm not either, but this isn't the call to hang your hat on.
I get it I just didn’t realize Hilliard was Kamara.
You agreed with the ineffective empty sets we run. I guess we agree there. Probably little else but who knows we have weeks to go.
Part of coaching whether it’s tee ball, wrestling or midget football is putting guys in situations so the team can succeed. Before we take a snap - I don’t consider Hillard flanked out and used as a WR on a potential game winning drive the winning formula. The 0-16 Browns with Coleman and Britt sure why not we had nothing there
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Mistakes were made. Baker is pressing sometimes, trying to create a win....instead of letting the game come to him.
He threw some passes that weren't placed exactly as they should be for maximum results. But if you're OBJ, Landry, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. They're not excused because the pass wasn't perfect.
It's time to take the bye.....get healed up......come out here, get beat by the Patriots.....and THEN get about the business of winning games.
What pass did Landry drop? I think people are already having an apologist revisionist history (for baker). His int in the endzone under 2 minutes was no where near Landrys fault. It was very high and very behind him. Landry did all he could just to get one hand on it to keep Griffin from picking it off unfortunately another player was there to catch the deflection. As bad as the decision to even throw to him (even if placed properly it has do chance of being complete) my big concern is why is Baker snapping that ball with 25 seconds on the playclock during a running clock?
What pass did Landry drop?
I don't recall Landry dropping any passes.
So let me change the statement: But if you're Paul Warfied, OBJ, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. The ball is not gonna be in your bread basket every time.
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I don't recall Landry dropping any passes.
So let me change the statement: But if you're Paul Warfied, OBJ, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. The ball is not gonna be in your bread basket every time.
I'll give Landry a pass on the INT Orion. True, he has the best hands on the team behind OBJ, and FWIW, OBJ missed a few today. That one is surely on Baker- and as I mentioned on Kitchens for not burning clock and trying Chubb on at least one running play. In the words of Sam Rutigliano- if he's not wide open, throw it in the seats. Baker trusted he could squeeze the ball into a minuscule window- and maybe that will be a learning experience for him.
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So let me change the statement: But if you're Paul Warfied, OBJ, or Hilliard....you've gotta make the catches. The ball is not gonna be in your bread basket every time.
Or if you are a Browns offensive player in 2019 trying to catch passes from Baker, rarely ever.
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Or if you are a Browns offensive player in 2019 trying to catch passes from Baker, rarely ever.
How soon you forget Deshone Kizer.
We have the Baker Basher Club forming, no doubt.
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Or if you are a Browns offensive player in 2019 trying to catch passes from Baker, rarely ever.
How soon you forget Deshone Kizer.
We have the Baker Basher Club forming, no doubt.
How soon you forget Deshone Kizer.
Honestly, he's looking eerily similar.
That fade he attempted to OBJ was so laughably bad that on The Tavern I described it as "Kizer Fade from Baker".
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Honestly, he's looking eerily similar.
That fade he attempted to OBJ was so laughably bad that on The Tavern I described it as "Kizer Fade from Baker".
For God's sake, not even close. How many times did we see where Deshone couldn't even get the ball in the same area code as the receiver? Sorry, you can believe whatever you want to- but MHO that's so off base it's ridiculous.
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And the Steelers have jumped out to a 14-0 lead over the Chargers, and there are so many Steelers fans at the game in LOS ANGELES that they are chanting "DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE" like its a Steelers home game.
And my HS game lost to some mediocre team Friday night, pretty much making the playoffs a miracle.
Fuck football this weekend. ? -
Honestly, he's looking eerily similar.
That fade he attempted to OBJ was so laughably bad that on The Tavern I described it as "Kizer Fade from Baker".
For God's sake, not even close. How many times did we see where Deshone couldn't even get the ball in the same area code as the receiver? Sorry, you can believe whatever you want to- but MHO that's so off base it's ridiculous.
For God's sake, not even close. How many times did we see where Deshone couldn't even get the ball in the same area code as the receiver? Sorry, you can believe whatever you want to- but MHO that's so off base it's ridiculous.
Baker is completing passes at a 55% rate or something, and almost has twice as many interceptions as touchdowns.
No way in hell I think their careers end up the same, but FOR THIS SEASON, Baker has been mediocre to bad.
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For God's sake, not even close. How many times did we see where Deshone couldn't even get the ball in the same area code as the receiver? Sorry, you can believe whatever you want to- but MHO that's so off base it's ridiculous.
Baker is completing passes at a 55% rate or something, and almost has twice as many interceptions as touchdowns.
No way in hell I think their careers end up the same, but FOR THIS SEASON, Baker has been mediocre to bad.
Baker is completing passes at a 55% rate or something, and almost has twice as many interceptions as touchdowns.
No way in hell I think their careers end up the same, but FOR THIS SEASON, Baker has been mediocre to bad.
That I agree on....
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Well Hodges, a undrafted rookie is more accurate than Mayfield.
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While I'm just as upset as anyone regarding our win/loss record, I'm probably leading the group in my overall frustration and shear disappointment of Freddie's coaching - and moreover his play calling.
Freddie looks overwhelmed on the sideline and his play calling reflects that....... He actually told the media dudes in the mandatory Saturday meeting that "the Browns are not a pass first team"?
Well coach, I don't know what to tell you if you can't even recognize your own team. You wouldn't know what 3 straight run plays looked like even if Chubb kicked you in the nuts after an 11yd run.
Right now, it's just more of the same...... Different coach. Different players. Same old record.
Throwing in the towel already. I hear Hue Jackson would like another shot at coaching all this talent....
Jackson was overwhelmed by comparison, Pat Sure-loss looked like he was coaching from another planet on the sidelines. Freddie? I'm reserving judgement for a few more games. The problem is- as I said earlier in another thread- some guys think we should be at worst 5-1 and smoking playoff teams with our overwhelming talent.
You old enough to remember this one from the old stadium? Jump Art- and land on Bill. Six games in as a HC, and some of you are ready to run Freddie out of town on a rail......
Throwing in the towel already. I hear Hue Jackson would like another shot at coaching all this talent....
Jackson was overwhelmed by comparison, Pat Sure-loss looked like he was coaching from another planet on the sidelines. Freddie? I'm reserving judgement for a few more games. The problem is- as I said earlier in another thread- some guys think we should be at worst 5-1 and smoking playoff teams with our overwhelming talent.
You old enough to remember this one from the old stadium? Jump Art- and land on Bill. Six games in as a HC, and some of you are ready to run Freddie out of town on a rail......
Not throwing in the towel, just disappointed in our 1st year HC who chose to call his own offense on top of being the HC..... Hopefully he's the next Genius, but right now he's having a hard time managing the game, and that will get good teams beat, much less a team that doesn't even know if they're good or bad yet.
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Baker this season is taking a lot longer to throw the ball.. this makes sense because the routes are longer-developing, and with a worse OL, he has to scramble around to avoid the rush. Chubb is a genius at getting yards behind this average-to-dumpster-fire of an OL, and if we don't shore up the OL this offseason we're going to send our best QB in many years into retirement due to injury just like Luck.
Moral of the story: OL is the engine. Also, mix up the calls.. can't throw a 30-yard hook every play.
If the team treats next week as their playoff, next week will be close. Will that actually happen?
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Or if you are a Browns offensive player in 2019 trying to catch passes from Baker, rarely ever.
His accuracy this season has not been great. He's been high a lot. And lately also a little behind the receiver. But his numbers today are a kind of microcosm of the season. 22 or 37. He's credited with 3 INTs...when really, 2 receivers run into one another, and Hilliard has one go right through his hands...and last week Callaway has a TD bounce off of him to a defender.
Baker's gotta be more accurate....but the receivers have to help a guy out by catching the ones that they can get their hands on without too much effort.
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