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  • tiamat63 tiamat63T Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Week One Done One Month Later One Year In Very Popular
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    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

    Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

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      Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

      Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

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      MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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      @tiamat63 said:

      Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

      Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

      Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

      If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

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        Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

        Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

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        IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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        @tiamat63 said:

        Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

        Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

        While l respect your opinion, l been keying in on the OL play and l don’t like Robinson. I would much rather keep Hubbard over him. I feel like Robinson is a reactionary tentative type of guy. At least Hubbard shows tenacity and effort. While the results are comparable betwixt the two, l feel like l’ve seen enough of Robinson, and moving him clear across the line is just going to create an excuse for him to not be the player we all want to will him to be.

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          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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          So... how does the tackle class look for the 2020 NFL Draft? 😉

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            This season: Robinson 67.8, Hubbard 52.2. 

            I'd say due to our injury issues already on OL, keep them both for the rest of this season.  Conveniently both of their contracts are up, so I'd also bet neither of them will be back in 2020.

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              VamboV Vambo wrote on last edited by
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              https://twitter.com/Lescarpenter/status/1184236664216010757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184236664216010757&ref_url=https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/15/report-trent-williams-headed-cleveland-browns/

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                https://twitter.com/Lescarpenter/status/1184236664216010757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184236664216010757&ref_url=https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/15/report-trent-williams-headed-cleveland-browns/

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                NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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                @vambo said:

                https://twitter.com/Lescarpenter/status/1184236664216010757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184236664216010757&ref_url=https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/15/report-trent-williams-headed-cleveland-browns/

                Therefore they are. 

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                  @vambo said:

                  https://twitter.com/Lescarpenter/status/1184236664216010757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184236664216010757&ref_url=https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/15/report-trent-williams-headed-cleveland-browns/

                  Therefore they are. 

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                  hx214H hx214 wrote on last edited by
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                  @nero said:

                  Therefore they are. 

                  Haha

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                    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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                    What would be given up? Avery? Picks?

                    Is that why he’s stashed?

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                    • CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

                      What would be given up? Avery? Picks?

                      Is that why he’s stashed?

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                      @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

                      What would be given up? Avery? Picks?

                      Is that why he’s stashed?

                      believe i mentioned that before keep him healthy for a possible o lineman trade 

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                        @tiamat63 said:

                        Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

                        Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

                        Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

                        If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

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                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                        This has the feel of a solution looking for a problem.

                        @mudfly said:

                        Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

                        If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

                        I was thinking RG would be Robinson's landing spot...

                        ... but I sure don't think the price has fallen much.

                        @dutch-oven said:

                        So... how does the tackle class look for the 2020 NFL Draft? 😉

                        Of Seniors like maybe one can't miss and a few very promising.

                        Underclass will add to both totals.

                        "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

                          Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

                          Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

                          If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

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                          jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                          @mudfly said:

                          Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

                          If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

                          Not a chance he comes cheap 

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                            @tiamat63 said:

                            Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

                            Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

                            While l respect your opinion, l been keying in on the OL play and l don’t like Robinson. I would much rather keep Hubbard over him. I feel like Robinson is a reactionary tentative type of guy. At least Hubbard shows tenacity and effort. While the results are comparable betwixt the two, l feel like l’ve seen enough of Robinson, and moving him clear across the line is just going to create an excuse for him to not be the player we all want to will him to be.

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                            tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                            @ibleedbrown said:

                            While l respect your opinion, l been keying in on the OL play and l don’t like Robinson. I would much rather keep Hubbard over him. I feel like Robinson is a reactionary tentative type of guy. At least Hubbard shows tenacity and effort. While the results are comparable betwixt the two, l feel like l’ve seen enough of Robinson, and moving him clear across the line is just going to create an excuse for him to not be the player we all want to will him to be.

                            Hubbard outgrades Robinson in pass pro but running to Hubbard's side usually involves Chubb doing work and/or pulls. Which draws my ire. Conversely we usually need chip help Cam's side.  Being that I've been screaming for more play action, you know I favor the hogs that can move the LOS.  But not out of the realm of possibility to see how Robinson fares at a guard spot though.  Bet he run blocks better than Kush. 

                            Edit: looks like Tour beat me to the suggestion.

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                              @mudfly said:

                              Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

                              If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

                              Not a chance he comes cheap 

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                              @jcam222 said:

                              Not a chance he comes cheap 

                              did the price go down ? or is Dorsey just willing to give them what they want ? cause i would think a high pick and a player and by high i mean are first 

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                                This has the feel of a solution looking for a problem.

                                @mudfly said:

                                Also.....one who hasnt played since last year....including no camp, no preseason, etc......He's gotta come cheap to be worth it.....and we shouldnt expect too much too soon.....

                                If we get him and he can play, then I wonder if Hubbard can move inside to shore up RG?

                                I was thinking RG would be Robinson's landing spot...

                                ... but I sure don't think the price has fallen much.

                                @dutch-oven said:

                                So... how does the tackle class look for the 2020 NFL Draft? 😉

                                Of Seniors like maybe one can't miss and a few very promising.

                                Underclass will add to both totals.

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                                gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                                @tour2ma said:

                                This has the feel of a solution looking for a problem.

                                I was thinking RG would be Robinson's landing spot

                                agree on Robbie to RG for now..but why d hell would the skins not demand Robbie as part of the deal to fill either of their tackle positions? Donald Penn is like 35 going on age 40

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                                  @ibleedbrown said:

                                  While l respect your opinion, l been keying in on the OL play and l don’t like Robinson. I would much rather keep Hubbard over him. I feel like Robinson is a reactionary tentative type of guy. At least Hubbard shows tenacity and effort. While the results are comparable betwixt the two, l feel like l’ve seen enough of Robinson, and moving him clear across the line is just going to create an excuse for him to not be the player we all want to will him to be.

                                  Hubbard outgrades Robinson in pass pro but running to Hubbard's side usually involves Chubb doing work and/or pulls. Which draws my ire. Conversely we usually need chip help Cam's side.  Being that I've been screaming for more play action, you know I favor the hogs that can move the LOS.  But not out of the realm of possibility to see how Robinson fares at a guard spot though.  Bet he run blocks better than Kush. 

                                  Edit: looks like Tour beat me to the suggestion.

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                                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                  @tiamat63 said:

                                  Edit: looks like Tour beat me to the suggestion.

                                  Hah!

                                  And that's with a broken leg!

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                                    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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                                    Can't trade any more assets for a 31 year old LT who hasn't played in a year. 

                                    Ride this season out with what you have. They have two weeks to address what they feel are weaknesses. 

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                                      Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

                                      Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

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                                      hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                      @tiamat63 said:

                                      Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

                                      Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

                                      It had better not be a first, second round + say Avery is as high as I'm willing to go....

                                      @bob806 said:

                                      Can't trade any more assets for a 31 year old LT who hasn't played in a year. 

                                      Ride this season out with what you have. They have two weeks to address what they feel are weaknesses. 

                                      LOL, and OL is a glaring weakness right? Looking at Sportac , sure looks like we can get Williams as a one year rent-a- player for around $12 million. I'll let cap guru Tour tell me if I'm reading his contract correctly....   https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/trent-williams-6513/

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                                        I would prefer that we do not do this trade.  Unless the price is cheap...which it won't be cheap enough.

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                                          @tiamat63 said:

                                          Trent would play left.  Robinson is a road grader, move him right.  

                                          Hope its at the right price otherwise you're talking about an aging tackle with injury history looking for a large payday.

                                          It had better not be a first, second round + say Avery is as high as I'm willing to go....

                                          @bob806 said:

                                          Can't trade any more assets for a 31 year old LT who hasn't played in a year. 

                                          Ride this season out with what you have. They have two weeks to address what they feel are weaknesses. 

                                          LOL, and OL is a glaring weakness right? Looking at Sportac , sure looks like we can get Williams as a one year rent-a- player for around $12 million. I'll let cap guru Tour tell me if I'm reading his contract correctly....   https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/trent-williams-6513/

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                                          bjh2130B bjh2130 wrote on last edited by bjh2130
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                                          @hoorta said:

                                          It had better not be a first, second round + say Avery is as high as I'm willing to go....

                                          LOL, and OL is a glaring weakness right? Looking at Sportac , sure looks like we can get Williams as a one year rent-a- player for around $12 million. I'll let cap guru Tour tell me if I'm reading his contract correctly....   https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/trent-williams-6513/

                                          Unless the skins are paying the rest of his salary this year (highly unlikely) or vernon or some other high priced player is included in the trade the browns are shortening their window to win to 2-3 years.  They would only have 20 million in leftover cap. After expiring contracts in the offseason we will only be under the cap by 10 million. Meaning we only have 10 million dollars to spend in free agency/resigning players unless we dip into the left over cap again which would already be low at 20 million. Unless Vernon or kirksey (not sure if you can trade players on ir) are included to offset William's salary this year i I just can't see the benefit of this trade long term. It puts us behind the right ball long term.

                                          Not to mention the o line didn't let Baker get touched last game and allowed chubb to run for 110+ against the league's 3rd best rush defense. 

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