Negativity
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I know I can be a bit abrasive and negative at times, but there's no denying my feelings for this team. That being said, we turned it over 4 times and had a punt blocked. I don't want to HEAR about us playing well. I don't even want to hear it, not one bit. Yeah, we played BETTER, but then again, that bar wasn't exactly HIGH from last week in San Fran, was it?
You play to win the game. Baker played much better, but the loss is squarely on his shoulders. He NEVER should have thrown that awful ball to Landry in the endzone. He wasn't open, Baker's feet were messed up, and when things aren't going well, the ball isn't finding the turf...it's finding the defender's hands. That one throw was SO TERRIBLE, that it's safe to blame the entire game on him. We lead the league with 3 red zone interceptions. That's loser ball. Yeah, the Chubb fumble was a killer, but it's his ONE fumble in two years. Baker has 11 INT's...what in the actual FREAK man.
Play better for 4 quarters, don't turn it over, and WIN the game. There are no moral victories, not anymore.
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I know I can be a bit abrasive and negative at times, but there's no denying my feelings for this team. That being said, we turned it over 4 times and had a punt blocked. I don't want to HEAR about us playing well. I don't even want to hear it, not one bit. Yeah, we played BETTER, but then again, that bar wasn't exactly HIGH from last week in San Fran, was it?
You play to win the game. Baker played much better, but the loss is squarely on his shoulders. He NEVER should have thrown that awful ball to Landry in the endzone. He wasn't open, Baker's feet were messed up, and when things aren't going well, the ball isn't finding the turf...it's finding the defender's hands. That one throw was SO TERRIBLE, that it's safe to blame the entire game on him. We lead the league with 3 red zone interceptions. That's loser ball. Yeah, the Chubb fumble was a killer, but it's his ONE fumble in two years. Baker has 11 INT's...what in the actual FREAK man.
Play better for 4 quarters, don't turn it over, and WIN the game. There are no moral victories, not anymore.
I know I can be a bit abrasive and negative at times, but there's no denying my feelings for this team. That being said, we turned it over 4 times and had a punt blocked. I don't want to HEAR about us playing well. I don't even want to hear it, not one bit. Yeah, we played BETTER, but then again, that bar wasn't exactly HIGH from last week in San Fran, was it?
You play to win the game. Baker played much better, but the loss is squarely on his shoulders. He NEVER should have thrown that awful ball to Landry in the endzone. He wasn't open, Baker's feet were messed up, and when things aren't going well, the ball isn't finding the turf...it's finding the defender's hands. That one throw was SO TERRIBLE, that it's safe to blame the entire game on him. We lead the league with 3 red zone interceptions. That's loser ball. Yeah, the Chubb fumble was a killer, but it's his ONE fumble in two years. Baker has 11 INT's...what in the actual FREAK man.
Play better for 4 quarters, don't turn it over, and WIN the game. There are no moral victories, not anymore.
I thought Antonio Cromartie, a very smart NFL veteran retired player, made a great point. He said Baker was forcing the ball to OBJ and Landry - despite them not being open. Something like that. That can be fixed.
I remember Terry Bradshaw saying he played so bad, he nearly got booed out of PIttsburg his first three years. Chuck Noll's first three years - 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. But they kept adding talent, and had the time to gel together, learn what worked, what didn't, etc.
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I know I can be a bit abrasive and negative at times, but there's no denying my feelings for this team. That being said, we turned it over 4 times and had a punt blocked. I don't want to HEAR about us playing well. I don't even want to hear it, not one bit. Yeah, we played BETTER, but then again, that bar wasn't exactly HIGH from last week in San Fran, was it?
You play to win the game. Baker played much better, but the loss is squarely on his shoulders. He NEVER should have thrown that awful ball to Landry in the endzone. He wasn't open, Baker's feet were messed up, and when things aren't going well, the ball isn't finding the turf...it's finding the defender's hands. That one throw was SO TERRIBLE, that it's safe to blame the entire game on him. We lead the league with 3 red zone interceptions. That's loser ball. Yeah, the Chubb fumble was a killer, but it's his ONE fumble in two years. Baker has 11 INT's...what in the actual FREAK man.
Play better for 4 quarters, don't turn it over, and WIN the game. There are no moral victories, not anymore.
I thought Antonio Cromartie, a very smart NFL veteran retired player, made a great point. He said Baker was forcing the ball to OBJ and Landry - despite them not being open. Something like that. That can be fixed.
I remember Terry Bradshaw saying he played so bad, he nearly got booed out of PIttsburg his first three years. Chuck Noll's first three years - 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. But they kept adding talent, and had the time to gel together, learn what worked, what didn't, etc.
I thought Antonio Cromartie, a very smart NFL veteran retired player, made a great point. He said Baker was forcing the ball to OBJ and Landry - despite them not being open. Something like that. That can be fixed.
I remember Terry Bradshaw saying he played so bad, he nearly got booed out of PIttsburg his first three years. Chuck Noll's first three years - 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. But they kept adding talent, and had the time to gel together, learn what worked, what didn't, etc.
I actually like what you are saying. The funny thing is, Baker WASN'T forcing it to those guys and THAT screwed us. Remember throwing it to Demetrius Harris every time in the red zone when OBJ was open? Yeah, so I guess we can't find the right mix.
Let me tell you a really big secret. Freddie Kitchens is NOT going to be around much longer IF things don't change. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...he's a goner if he can't change his clock management, his personnel groupings, and rectify some of the poor decisions he's making. That complete shit at the end of the first half would've made me think about firing him. That combined with the Rams game snafu, I'd be close to cutting him loose.
For those of you who aren't familiar with the aforementioned "shit" before halftime, allow me to enlighten you very briefly. We had the ball at the Seattle 12 yard line at the 2 minute warning, 1st and 10, up 20 to 12. Yes, your Cleveland Browns were actually UP 20-12 after playing a near flawless first half. Good right? Wrong.
Even armed with the full compliment of 3 timeouts, Freddie elected to run the ball ONCE (a gain of only 2) and then decided to pass the ball. Now, why did he decide to pass the ball when Chubb is obviously our best weapon? Man, I'm so glad you asked! Kitchens said he wanted to save his 3 timeouts so we could score a TD, stop the Seahawks on 3 straight plays, and then go score another TD.
AHAHAHAHA! So let me get this straight. You're 2-3, you just had the best half of football of the entire season, you're in position to go up 23-12 (if not 27-12), and you take this lead into half knowing that Seattle gets the ball at the start of the 2nd half. I'm not kidding, this really happened. In the NFL. Our coach really did this. Like his country ass was playing Madden.
I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable. And just like in Madden, when you do something stupid, the game bites you in the ass. Now, many of you watched the game and already know this, but for those of you who didn't, you now know why I'm beyond furious with our idiot coach.
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I thought Antonio Cromartie, a very smart NFL veteran retired player, made a great point. He said Baker was forcing the ball to OBJ and Landry - despite them not being open. Something like that. That can be fixed.
I remember Terry Bradshaw saying he played so bad, he nearly got booed out of PIttsburg his first three years. Chuck Noll's first three years - 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. But they kept adding talent, and had the time to gel together, learn what worked, what didn't, etc.
I actually like what you are saying. The funny thing is, Baker WASN'T forcing it to those guys and THAT screwed us. Remember throwing it to Demetrius Harris every time in the red zone when OBJ was open? Yeah, so I guess we can't find the right mix.
Let me tell you a really big secret. Freddie Kitchens is NOT going to be around much longer IF things don't change. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...he's a goner if he can't change his clock management, his personnel groupings, and rectify some of the poor decisions he's making. That complete shit at the end of the first half would've made me think about firing him. That combined with the Rams game snafu, I'd be close to cutting him loose.
For those of you who aren't familiar with the aforementioned "shit" before halftime, allow me to enlighten you very briefly. We had the ball at the Seattle 12 yard line at the 2 minute warning, 1st and 10, up 20 to 12. Yes, your Cleveland Browns were actually UP 20-12 after playing a near flawless first half. Good right? Wrong.
Even armed with the full compliment of 3 timeouts, Freddie elected to run the ball ONCE (a gain of only 2) and then decided to pass the ball. Now, why did he decide to pass the ball when Chubb is obviously our best weapon? Man, I'm so glad you asked! Kitchens said he wanted to save his 3 timeouts so we could score a TD, stop the Seahawks on 3 straight plays, and then go score another TD.
AHAHAHAHA! So let me get this straight. You're 2-3, you just had the best half of football of the entire season, you're in position to go up 23-12 (if not 27-12), and you take this lead into half knowing that Seattle gets the ball at the start of the 2nd half. I'm not kidding, this really happened. In the NFL. Our coach really did this. Like his country ass was playing Madden.
I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable. And just like in Madden, when you do something stupid, the game bites you in the ass. Now, many of you watched the game and already know this, but for those of you who didn't, you now know why I'm beyond furious with our idiot coach.
I actually like what you are saying. The funny thing is, Baker WASN'T forcing it to those guys and THAT screwed us. Remember throwing it to Demetrius Harris every time in the red zone when OBJ was open? Yeah, so I guess we can't find the right mix.
Let me tell you a really big secret. Freddie Kitchens is NOT going to be around much longer IF things don't change. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...he's a goner if he can't change his clock management, his personnel groupings, and rectify some of the poor decisions he's making. That complete shit at the end of the first half would've made me think about firing him. That combined with the Rams game snafu, I'd be close to cutting him loose.
For those of you who aren't familiar with the aforementioned "shit" before halftime, allow me to enlighten you very briefly. We had the ball at the Seattle 12 yard line at the 2 minute warning, 1st and 10, up 20 to 12. Yes, your Cleveland Browns were actually UP 20-12 after playing a near flawless first half. Good right? Wrong.
Even armed with the full compliment of 3 timeouts, Freddie elected to run the ball ONCE (a gain of only 2) and then decided to pass the ball. Now, why did he decide to pass the ball when Chubb is obviously our best weapon? Man, I'm so glad you asked! Kitchens said he wanted to save his 3 timeouts so we could score a TD, stop the Seahawks on 3 straight plays, and then go score another TD.
AHAHAHAHA! So let me get this straight. You're 2-3, you just had the best half of football of the entire season, you're in position to go up 23-12 (if not 27-12), and you take this lead into half knowing that Seattle gets the ball at the start of the 2nd half. I'm not kidding, this really happened. In the NFL. Our coach really did this. Like his country ass was playing Madden.
I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable. And just like in Madden, when you do something stupid, the game bites you in the ass. Now, many of you watched the game and already know this, but for those of you who didn't, you now know why I'm beyond furious with our idiot coach.
but hey maybe we will run off 10 straight wins
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I actually like what you are saying. The funny thing is, Baker WASN'T forcing it to those guys and THAT screwed us. Remember throwing it to Demetrius Harris every time in the red zone when OBJ was open? Yeah, so I guess we can't find the right mix.
Let me tell you a really big secret. Freddie Kitchens is NOT going to be around much longer IF things don't change. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...he's a goner if he can't change his clock management, his personnel groupings, and rectify some of the poor decisions he's making. That complete shit at the end of the first half would've made me think about firing him. That combined with the Rams game snafu, I'd be close to cutting him loose.
For those of you who aren't familiar with the aforementioned "shit" before halftime, allow me to enlighten you very briefly. We had the ball at the Seattle 12 yard line at the 2 minute warning, 1st and 10, up 20 to 12. Yes, your Cleveland Browns were actually UP 20-12 after playing a near flawless first half. Good right? Wrong.
Even armed with the full compliment of 3 timeouts, Freddie elected to run the ball ONCE (a gain of only 2) and then decided to pass the ball. Now, why did he decide to pass the ball when Chubb is obviously our best weapon? Man, I'm so glad you asked! Kitchens said he wanted to save his 3 timeouts so we could score a TD, stop the Seahawks on 3 straight plays, and then go score another TD.
AHAHAHAHA! So let me get this straight. You're 2-3, you just had the best half of football of the entire season, you're in position to go up 23-12 (if not 27-12), and you take this lead into half knowing that Seattle gets the ball at the start of the 2nd half. I'm not kidding, this really happened. In the NFL. Our coach really did this. Like his country ass was playing Madden.
I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable. And just like in Madden, when you do something stupid, the game bites you in the ass. Now, many of you watched the game and already know this, but for those of you who didn't, you now know why I'm beyond furious with our idiot coach.
but hey maybe we will run off 10 straight wins
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Let's hope so!
people are known to have changed
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Let's hope so!
people are known to have changed
people are known to have changed
I think what's so frustrating is that it doesn't have to change MUCH. Who in the HELL tries to leave time for a hall of fame QB in the first half because you're trying to score again? Who the heck do you think you are? That's on Freddie, but Baker is just at fault. Who throws a contested slant BEHIND the receiver when you're up 20-12? It's stupid man, and I don't know if stupid changes...I really don't. I mean, how do you fix that? "OK Baker, so what I'd LIKE for you to do is quit being a dumbass. Say it with me, Baker. I will not be a dumbass this week."
I dunno, at some point I believe you just are who you are. If Freddie doesn't understand game dynamics at this point in his life, I don't think he's ever going to understand them. This season reminds me so much of Hue Jackson that it's ridiculous. The time mismanagement, the awful excuses, the "I need to coach better". It's just turrible. But like you said, maybe people can change. I just wouldn't BET on it.
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people are known to have changed
I think what's so frustrating is that it doesn't have to change MUCH. Who in the HELL tries to leave time for a hall of fame QB in the first half because you're trying to score again? Who the heck do you think you are? That's on Freddie, but Baker is just at fault. Who throws a contested slant BEHIND the receiver when you're up 20-12? It's stupid man, and I don't know if stupid changes...I really don't. I mean, how do you fix that? "OK Baker, so what I'd LIKE for you to do is quit being a dumbass. Say it with me, Baker. I will not be a dumbass this week."
I dunno, at some point I believe you just are who you are. If Freddie doesn't understand game dynamics at this point in his life, I don't think he's ever going to understand them. This season reminds me so much of Hue Jackson that it's ridiculous. The time mismanagement, the awful excuses, the "I need to coach better". It's just turrible. But like you said, maybe people can change. I just wouldn't BET on it.
I think what's so frustrating is that it doesn't have to change MUCH. Who in the HELL tries to leave time for a hall of fame QB in the first half because you're trying to score again? Who the heck do you think you are? That's on Freddie, but Baker is just at fault. Who throws a contested slant BEHIND the receiver when you're up 20-12? It's stupid man, and I don't know if stupid changes...I really don't. I mean, how do you fix that? "OK Baker, so what I'd LIKE for you to do is quit being a dumbass. Say it with me, Baker. I will not be a dumbass this week."
I dunno, at some point I believe you just are who you are. If Freddie doesn't understand game dynamics at this point in his life, I don't think he's ever going to understand them. This season reminds me so much of Hue Jackson that it's ridiculous. The time mismanagement, the awful excuses, the "I need to coach better". It's just turrible. But like you said, maybe people can change. I just wouldn't BET on it.
ha im going to the casino on friday and am going to put money down on the Browns to win Like maybe 10 bucks
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I think what's so frustrating is that it doesn't have to change MUCH. Who in the HELL tries to leave time for a hall of fame QB in the first half because you're trying to score again? Who the heck do you think you are? That's on Freddie, but Baker is just at fault. Who throws a contested slant BEHIND the receiver when you're up 20-12? It's stupid man, and I don't know if stupid changes...I really don't. I mean, how do you fix that? "OK Baker, so what I'd LIKE for you to do is quit being a dumbass. Say it with me, Baker. I will not be a dumbass this week."
I dunno, at some point I believe you just are who you are. If Freddie doesn't understand game dynamics at this point in his life, I don't think he's ever going to understand them. This season reminds me so much of Hue Jackson that it's ridiculous. The time mismanagement, the awful excuses, the "I need to coach better". It's just turrible. But like you said, maybe people can change. I just wouldn't BET on it.
ha im going to the casino on friday and am going to put money down on the Browns to win Like maybe 10 bucks
ha im going to the casino on friday and am going to put money down on the Browns to win Like maybe 10 bucks
Well thank God they don't play Sunday then.?
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Well thank God they don't play Sunday then.?
hahahahaa well should i bet on Texas then ?
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I'm hoping for a "Come to Jesus" change for this team after the bye week like the Browns did after their bye week back in 2002, their only playoff season. They had struggled on offense up to the bye, William Green was a nonfactor, then after the bye week they tightened up their playbook and Green had a great end of the season, propelling the Browns into the playoffs.
They need to get their shit together, because some of the upcoming games that looked like gimmees now look tough... Denver just shut out Tennessee, and Buffalo has a bad ass defense.
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I'm hoping for a "Come to Jesus" change for this team after the bye week like the Browns did after their bye week back in 2002, their only playoff season. They had struggled on offense up to the bye, William Green was a nonfactor, then after the bye week they tightened up their playbook and Green had a great end of the season, propelling the Browns into the playoffs.
They need to get their shit together, because some of the upcoming games that looked like gimmees now look tough... Denver just shut out Tennessee, and Buffalo has a bad ass defense.
They need to get their shit together, because some of the upcoming games that looked like gimmees now look tough... Denver just shut out Tennessee, and Buffalo has a bad ass defense.
That's what I've been trying to tell everyone. The way our team is playing, we're not going to beat half the teams we thought we were. Arizona. They can beat us. Pittsburgh? Oh yeah, they ALWAYS beat us. Cincy? They'll win 1. Buffalo? Loss. Patriots? Loss. Ravens? Ehhhh...close. We're staring down the barrel of a very poor season, but....BUT...it can change. I hate to say we need to beat the Patriots, but we NEED to beat the effing Patriots. And I think we can. They're beatable, we just need to make it happen. I'll take it a step further. We beat the Patriots and we win 10 games. We lose, we win 6. It's that important in my mind.
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They need to get their shit together, because some of the upcoming games that looked like gimmees now look tough... Denver just shut out Tennessee, and Buffalo has a bad ass defense.
That's what I've been trying to tell everyone. The way our team is playing, we're not going to beat half the teams we thought we were. Arizona. They can beat us. Pittsburgh? Oh yeah, they ALWAYS beat us. Cincy? They'll win 1. Buffalo? Loss. Patriots? Loss. Ravens? Ehhhh...close. We're staring down the barrel of a very poor season, but....BUT...it can change. I hate to say we need to beat the Patriots, but we NEED to beat the effing Patriots. And I think we can. They're beatable, we just need to make it happen. I'll take it a step further. We beat the Patriots and we win 10 games. We lose, we win 6. It's that important in my mind.
I hate to say we need to beat the Patriots, but we NEED to beat the effing Patriots. And I think we can. They're beatable, we just need to make it happen. I'll take it a step further. We beat the Patriots and we win 10 games. We lose, we win 6. It's that important in my mind.
Good luck with that. The Patriots' defense has scored me on average 121 points per weekend in the first 6 games in FFL. Keeping a team to a offensive score of 7 points or less gets 100 points while defensive TD's score 50. What does that tell you about the highest ranking defense in the NFL? It tells you our patchwork OL is no match and this game has the potential of being just like the SF game debacle. Not one opponent has scored more than one offensive TD against them and they have been held to less that 30 points only by Buffalo. ?
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I hate to say we need to beat the Patriots, but we NEED to beat the effing Patriots. And I think we can. They're beatable, we just need to make it happen. I'll take it a step further. We beat the Patriots and we win 10 games. We lose, we win 6. It's that important in my mind.
Good luck with that. The Patriots' defense has scored me on average 121 points per weekend in the first 6 games in FFL. Keeping a team to a offensive score of 7 points or less gets 100 points while defensive TD's score 50. What does that tell you about the highest ranking defense in the NFL? It tells you our patchwork OL is no match and this game has the potential of being just like the SF game debacle. Not one opponent has scored more than one offensive TD against them and they have been held to less that 30 points only by Buffalo. ?
Good luck with that. The Patriots' defense has scored me on average 121 points per weekend in the first 6 games in FFL. Keeping a team to a offensive score of 7 points or less gets 100 points while defensive TD's score 50. What does that tell you about the highest ranking defense in the NFL? It tells you our patchwork OL is no match and this game has the potential of being just like the SF game debacle. Not one opponent has scored more than one offensive TD against them and they have been held to less that 30 points only by Buffalo. ?
Wow! What's the average total scores of games? 650 - 590?
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Good luck with that. The Patriots' defense has scored me on average 121 points per weekend in the first 6 games in FFL. Keeping a team to a offensive score of 7 points or less gets 100 points while defensive TD's score 50. What does that tell you about the highest ranking defense in the NFL? It tells you our patchwork OL is no match and this game has the potential of being just like the SF game debacle. Not one opponent has scored more than one offensive TD against them and they have been held to less that 30 points only by Buffalo. ?
Wow! What's the average total scores of games? 650 - 590?
Wow! What's the average total scores of games? 650 - 590?
I lead our league overall with 3710 total points / 6 = 618.3 points per weekend. I've won two of the 6 weekends for $80 so far. NE has been an unexpected help for sure. 4 other D's were picked before I got them. McCaffrey was my first overall pick since Mahomes was picked just in front of me. He has proven a great pick so far as well.
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I could see our strange team somehow playing their best game and beating the Patriots, or I can see us losing 40-0.
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I more than anyone believe the refs or nfl execs have it out for the browns, but dam fellas the negativity is bad. I can tell you this the boys played really well this week. The line is playing great and getting better every week. Chubb is a stud and hunt is on the way. Obj and baker looked a little bit more gelled and seals jones has played better the njoku. They are close very close. And the horrible calls didn’t help and are hard to overcome especially the ones that kept Seattle on the field. But look out when they play a clean game someone’s ass is getting whooped and I have a feeling it’s the pats. Cleveland 38 pats 17
I more than anyone believe the refs or nfl execs have it out for the browns, but dam fellas the negativity is bad. I can tell you this the boys played really well this week. The line is playing great and getting better every week. Chubb is a stud and hunt is on the way. Obj and baker looked a little bit more gelled and seals jones has played better the njoku. They are close very close. And the horrible calls didn’t help and are hard to overcome especially the ones that kept Seattle on the field. But look out when they play a clean game someone’s ass is getting whooped and I have a feeling it’s the pats. Cleveland 38 pats 17
ain't going to be the pats....hate to say it...game in foxboro...pffffffft....you think the refs are against the browns now....pats get every call at home....they treat brady like a king....either we get blown out or we play a good close game only to see the refs hand it to the pats....hope i am wrong...but i don't think i will be...
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I could see our strange team somehow playing their best game and beating the Patriots, or I can see us losing 40-0.
I could see our strange team somehow playing their best game and beating the Patriots, or I can see us losing 40-0.
did not see your post...but i said basically the same thing....only if we play our best game, i said the refs will hand it to the pats....pats always get the home cookin at foxboro....i see us at 2-5 which most likely ends our season of hoping to make the playoffs....
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I could see our strange team somehow playing their best game and beating the Patriots, or I can see us losing 40-0.
I could see our strange team somehow playing their best game and beating the Patriots, or I can see us losing 40-0.
Totally agree. If they win I could see it starting a 5-6 game winning streak. If they lose, I won't be the least bit surprised...... If I had to slide everything I own into one square or the other, that square would have a picture of a QB that wears uggs.
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I more than anyone believe the refs or nfl execs have it out for the browns, but dam fellas the negativity is bad. I can tell you this the boys played really well this week. The line is playing great and getting better every week. Chubb is a stud and hunt is on the way. Obj and baker looked a little bit more gelled and seals jones has played better the njoku. They are close very close. And the horrible calls didn’t help and are hard to overcome especially the ones that kept Seattle on the field. But look out when they play a clean game someone’s ass is getting whooped and I have a feeling it’s the pats. Cleveland 38 pats 17
ain't going to be the pats....hate to say it...game in foxboro...pffffffft....you think the refs are against the browns now....pats get every call at home....they treat brady like a king....either we get blown out or we play a good close game only to see the refs hand it to the pats....hope i am wrong...but i don't think i will be...
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