So whats wrong with Baker?
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
Ouch.
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
After missing him originally over the middle.
Here's the one stat that REALLY scares me regarding Baker, and I don't have the exact numbers, but I have the gist (from Browns Daily). From a clean pocket with no pressure, Baker was around 58%, and he was only pressured on something like 25% of his drop backs. So if you want to blame the OL still, you better think twice. Baker didn't get sacked last game and still couldn't deliver the goods far too often. I don't have the stat in front of me, but last year Baker FEASTED on clean pockets and destroyed people. And did I mention he doesn't throw it deep still? Go watch that 4th and 7 to Landry. Watch how wide open OBJ is for the touchdown. It's nauseating. No QB hits them all, but Jesus man. OBJ used to score touchdowns...with Eli Manning!
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I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs)
Absolutely. Excessive penalties is a discipline problem, and the buck stops at the coaching on that one.
For all of the great moves Dorsey and Co. have made so far here in Cleveland, the hiring of Kitchens as HC might be a huge enough blunder to cancel out those earlier good moves
Absolutely. Excessive penalties is a discipline problem, and the buck stops at the coaching on that one.
For all of the great moves Dorsey and Co. have made so far here in Cleveland, the hiring of Kitchens as HC might be a huge enough blunder to cancel out those earlier good moves
I hear that time and time again, and never understood it. What is it exactly that Kitchens should be doing? What is the training method/process used to train players not to commit penalties? You're the coach, what would you do?
Yell at them?
Yell at them louder?
Bench them if they commit a penalty?
Fine them?
My belief is Belicheck doesn't need to discipline his team in order to commit few penalties. The players they pick happen to be self disciplined. By the time a player reaches the pro level he should already be disciplined in the game.
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
After missing him originally over the middle.
Here's the one stat that REALLY scares me regarding Baker, and I don't have the exact numbers, but I have the gist (from Browns Daily). From a clean pocket with no pressure, Baker was around 58%, and he was only pressured on something like 25% of his drop backs. So if you want to blame the OL still, you better think twice. Baker didn't get sacked last game and still couldn't deliver the goods far too often. I don't have the stat in front of me, but last year Baker FEASTED on clean pockets and destroyed people. And did I mention he doesn't throw it deep still? Go watch that 4th and 7 to Landry. Watch how wide open OBJ is for the touchdown. It's nauseating. No QB hits them all, but Jesus man. OBJ used to score touchdowns...with Eli Manning!
After missing him originally over the middle.
Here's the one stat that REALLY scares me regarding Baker, and I don't have the exact numbers, but I have the gist (from Browns Daily). From a clean pocket with no pressure, Baker was around 58%, and he was only pressured on something like 25% of his drop backs. So if you want to blame the OL still, you better think twice. Baker didn't get sacked last game and still couldn't deliver the goods far too often. I don't have the stat in front of me, but last year Baker FEASTED on clean pockets and destroyed people. And did I mention he doesn't throw it deep still? Go watch that 4th and 7 to Landry. Watch how wide open OBJ is for the touchdown. It's nauseating. No QB hits them all, but Jesus man. OBJ used to score touchdowns...with Eli Manning!
Those are compelling points. Obviously, something isn't clicking. Coaching?
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
That is ironic.
The real answer of what is wrong with the Browns and Mayfield is a combination of several factors, a sort of perfect storm that all came together in the first six weeks of this season starting with the somewhat out of control super hype on the Superbowl bound Browns.
They all forgot that you have to get into the playoffs first! Anyone remember all of this talk?
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
...and Njoku's injury had nothing to do with that piece of shit Jet's player undercutting Njoku before the ball touches his hands? Actually should have been pass interference and unsportsmanlike conduct- that was as close to a "Saint's bounty play" as I've seen since James Harrison.
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Btw, I re-watched game and I'm again completely shocked by three things.
1. Baker's uncomfortability at going deep. He threw the one to OBJ that was a circus catch, but even that was woefully unerthrown. Baker once again missed OBJ deep for yet another touchdown. Granted, it was 4th and 7, but Baker still threw it to a severely covered Landry. It was an AMAZING throw and catch, and I'm not complaining one bit about that, but Jesus Christ Mayfield. LET IT RIP TO THE DEEP THREAT. For the love of God, throw the ball down the field at least once per quarter. OBJ was disgustingly open, and we don't throw it deep NEAR enough. We had great protection...stretch the effing field. Baker simply doesn't throw touchdown passes, and we HAVE to figure it out or we won't win consistently.
2. Our missed XP was the catalyst to our undoing. After that, we went STRAIGHT into circle-jerk mode and we fumbled, intercepted, missed tackled, and blocked punted our way to a loss. I mean we couldn't force a fart without changing our underwear, and that kick...that one stupid XP was our undoing.
3. We got beat by the MVP of the league, and that just sucks for us. Some of the plays Russell Wilson made were just bonkers. Whenever they needed a play, he made it. 2nd and 22? No problem. 3rd and goal? He's your man. Gordian Knot? You got it. I mean it was UNCANNY how just about every time they needed magic, Russell made it happen.
Tough loss against a mighty foe. Seahawks have too many problems on defense to go all the way, but they'll always have a chance with Russ.
. I mean we couldn't force a fart without changing our underwear, and that kick
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After missing him originally over the middle.
Here's the one stat that REALLY scares me regarding Baker, and I don't have the exact numbers, but I have the gist (from Browns Daily). From a clean pocket with no pressure, Baker was around 58%, and he was only pressured on something like 25% of his drop backs. So if you want to blame the OL still, you better think twice. Baker didn't get sacked last game and still couldn't deliver the goods far too often. I don't have the stat in front of me, but last year Baker FEASTED on clean pockets and destroyed people. And did I mention he doesn't throw it deep still? Go watch that 4th and 7 to Landry. Watch how wide open OBJ is for the touchdown. It's nauseating. No QB hits them all, but Jesus man. OBJ used to score touchdowns...with Eli Manning!
Those are compelling points. Obviously, something isn't clicking. Coaching?
Those are compelling points. Obviously, something isn't clicking. Coaching?
QB coach said a lot of it is coaches having tape on Baker, some of it has been mechanics (his Landry end zone pick had poor footwork), and some of it has been OL and poor play calling. From what I understand, we had an explosive offense in training camp on several days. We saw the beginning of that Sunday, but the turnovers crushed the dream. This is why so many people expect us to go on a winning streak...we're somewhat close. I mean, we took one of the top 3 teams down to the wire, and likely should have beaten them. But it drives you crazy watching a blocked punt, end zone turnovers, fumbles, and deflection INTs. You don't see that shit happening to the Seahawks, do you?
We're close, but I'm not sure we'll be able to make a run. You don't generally find solace in Foxboro, and the weather will turn soon, making it harder to pass. You know what we effing need? To force some freaking TURNOVERS. A pick 6, fumble return for score, strip sacks, whatever. We hardly cause ANY turnovers and it's crushing us. Perhaps Denzel and Greedy will remedy the situation.
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Coaching + pass protection + too many penalties + easy dropped passes + "quarterback issues" + strange referees + who knows what else = 2-4 in a season that coulda been 4-2 maybe 5-1 or at least 3-3.
Now we take a week off and a decent nap and move on!
GO BROWNS, surprise us!
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Those are compelling points. Obviously, something isn't clicking. Coaching?
QB coach said a lot of it is coaches having tape on Baker, some of it has been mechanics (his Landry end zone pick had poor footwork), and some of it has been OL and poor play calling. From what I understand, we had an explosive offense in training camp on several days. We saw the beginning of that Sunday, but the turnovers crushed the dream. This is why so many people expect us to go on a winning streak...we're somewhat close. I mean, we took one of the top 3 teams down to the wire, and likely should have beaten them. But it drives you crazy watching a blocked punt, end zone turnovers, fumbles, and deflection INTs. You don't see that shit happening to the Seahawks, do you?
We're close, but I'm not sure we'll be able to make a run. You don't generally find solace in Foxboro, and the weather will turn soon, making it harder to pass. You know what we effing need? To force some freaking TURNOVERS. A pick 6, fumble return for score, strip sacks, whatever. We hardly cause ANY turnovers and it's crushing us. Perhaps Denzel and Greedy will remedy the situation.
QB coach said a lot of it is coaches having tape on Baker, some of it has been mechanics (his Landry end zone pick had poor footwork), and some of it has been OL and poor play calling. From what I understand, we had an explosive offense in training camp on several days. We saw the beginning of that Sunday, but the turnovers crushed the dream. This is why so many people expect us to go on a winning streak...we're somewhat close. I mean, we took one of the top 3 teams down to the wire, and likely should have beaten them. But it drives you crazy watching a blocked punt, end zone turnovers, fumbles, and deflection INTs. You don't see that shit happening to the Seahawks, do you?
We're close, but I'm not sure we'll be able to make a run. You don't generally find solace in Foxboro, and the weather will turn soon, making it harder to pass. You know what we effing need? To force some freaking TURNOVERS. A pick 6, fumble return for score, strip sacks, whatever. We hardly cause ANY turnovers and it's crushing us. Perhaps Denzel and Greedy will remedy the situation.
It's really all in hand, IF they don't get rattled. So, a loss to NE is likely, but THEN all the DBs are back, and then ...Broncos, Bills, Steelers, Fins, Steelers...all winnable. Bills are tougher than most predicted, but they are limited on offense. If this team can limit dumb ass plays, they can win.
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Coaching + pass protection + too many penalties + easy dropped passes + "quarterback issues" + strange referees + who knows what else = 2-4 in a season that coulda been 4-2 maybe 5-1 or at least 3-3.
Now we take a week off and a decent nap and move on!
GO BROWNS, surprise us!
Coaching + pass protection + too many penalties + easy dropped passes + "quarterback issues" + strange referees + who knows what else = 2-4 in a season that coulda been 4-2 maybe 5-1 or at least 3-3.
Now we take a week off and a decent nap and move on!
GO BROWNS, surprise us!
It's still early. It's still wide open in the AFCN (except for Cinci). Browns need to get straight.
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Coaching + pass protection + too many penalties + easy dropped passes + "quarterback issues" + strange referees + who knows what else = 2-4 in a season that coulda been 4-2 maybe 5-1 or at least 3-3.
Now we take a week off and a decent nap and move on!
GO BROWNS, surprise us!
It's still early. It's still wide open in the AFCN (except for Cinci). Browns need to get straight.
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
...and Njoku's injury had nothing to do with that piece of shit Jet's player undercutting Njoku before the ball touches his hands? Actually should have been pass interference and unsportsmanlike conduct- that was as close to a "Saint's bounty play" as I've seen since James Harrison.
...and Njoku's injury had nothing to do with that piece of shit Jet's player undercutting Njoku before the ball touches his hands? Actually should have been pass interference and unsportsmanlike conduct- that was as close to a "Saint's bounty play" as I've seen since James Harrison.
All set up by yet another Baker air-mailed pass.
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True. Plus they still are in a pretty easy division -and- have one win versus the front runner.
GO BROWNS, get into the playoffs and anything can happen, really it can.
FIFY ?
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...and Njoku's injury had nothing to do with that piece of shit Jet's player undercutting Njoku before the ball touches his hands? Actually should have been pass interference and unsportsmanlike conduct- that was as close to a "Saint's bounty play" as I've seen since James Harrison.
All set up by yet another Baker air-mailed pass.
All set up by yet another Baker air-mailed pass.
Two things:
1) Baker threw that ball over the first defender, that was a perfect ball. Get your eyes checked.
2) The ball wasn't as high as you make it out to be, Njoku could have caught that ball standing on his feet- He didn't need to leap for it. If he just keeps running it's a clean catch, he's going to get hit yeah, but the hit wouldn't have put him on IR.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers.
That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers. Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters. This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5. Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay
That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers. Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters. This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5. Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay
The Steelers, Bills, and Patriots all have strong pass rushes. Baker doesn't do very well against those teams. That could be 4 losses. My faith in this team is dwindling, hopefully we get Trent Williams as I have been hearing.
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...and Njoku's injury had nothing to do with that piece of shit Jet's player undercutting Njoku before the ball touches his hands? Actually should have been pass interference and unsportsmanlike conduct- that was as close to a "Saint's bounty play" as I've seen since James Harrison.
All set up by yet another Baker air-mailed pass.
All set up by yet another Baker air-mailed pass.
Two things:
1) Baker threw that ball over the first defender, that was a perfect ball. Get your eyes checked.
2) The ball wasn't as high as you make it out to be, Njoku could have caught that ball standing on his feet- He didn't need to leap for it. If he just keeps running it's a clean catch, he's going to get hit yeah, but the hit wouldn't have put him on IR.
After watching the replay in 0.25 speed... I'll give this one to Po.
Was the pass a bit high? Yes, but the pass had to go over number 50. Njoku catches it with his hands in front of his chest. Even a bit lower.
With his height, he could catch it with his hands fully extended upwards, but to secure the catch anyone would probably make a very small jump, to have your arms in a better position.
Given the athletic freak Njoku is and his jump height, he used his skills to secure the ball wasn't high. He jumped way too much, but I can't blame him. Maybe I would do the same if I could jump that much. It's bad luck and a nasty hit by the DB.
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Ironically enough, Baker is missing Njoku because he threw a high pass that got Njoku laid out.
After missing him originally over the middle.
Here's the one stat that REALLY scares me regarding Baker, and I don't have the exact numbers, but I have the gist (from Browns Daily). From a clean pocket with no pressure, Baker was around 58%, and he was only pressured on something like 25% of his drop backs. So if you want to blame the OL still, you better think twice. Baker didn't get sacked last game and still couldn't deliver the goods far too often. I don't have the stat in front of me, but last year Baker FEASTED on clean pockets and destroyed people. And did I mention he doesn't throw it deep still? Go watch that 4th and 7 to Landry. Watch how wide open OBJ is for the touchdown. It's nauseating. No QB hits them all, but Jesus man. OBJ used to score touchdowns...with Eli Manning!
After missing him originally over the middle.
Here's the one stat that REALLY scares me regarding Baker, and I don't have the exact numbers, but I have the gist (from Browns Daily). From a clean pocket with no pressure, Baker was around 58%, and he was only pressured on something like 25% of his drop backs. So if you want to blame the OL still, you better think twice. Baker didn't get sacked last game and still couldn't deliver the goods far too often. I don't have the stat in front of me, but last year Baker FEASTED on clean pockets and destroyed people. And did I mention he doesn't throw it deep still? Go watch that 4th and 7 to Landry. Watch how wide open OBJ is for the touchdown. It's nauseating. No QB hits them all, but Jesus man. OBJ used to score touchdowns...with Eli Manning!
I think it was the Rams game I saw the lovely empty backfield set that I love and there were three of the laziest go routes I’ve seen on a 3rd and 7?
The Pats, the Niners, the Jets with Darnold, the Bills, etc. all feast on the short intermediate game and then take the occasional shot down the field. It’s look left open deliver if not go right if not run or throw it away.
Do we have quick check off reads?
Go back to August first drive of the season against the Skins it was dump down...dump down...dump down....shot down the field.
i believe four weeks into the season baker led the league in leaving clean pockets
how soon we forget all those years of struggle we had a hall of fame left tackle pro bowl center and RT and QB with no decision making skills and we saw pressure. We have never run the ball this well- and you can credit Chubb but he’s got room and he’s had room most of the year.
I like Baker and the Shine is still on Freddie but it’s wearing a little. Those two need to figure things out quickly
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