Browns interest in Skins OT, Trent Williams
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Jesus lord, can I get an amen? I realize that most teams in the NFL don't use a traditional FB, but I know they always give US fits, and I've always liked using them. The guy we had for a brief moment in the preseason actually was doing quite well, but then he got a concussion and he was a goner.
The thing is running the ball isn't the problem at all. Chubb's at 100 YPG, 5.3 YPC clip and 2nd in the league to McCaffrey who is the next Le'veon Bell in terms of touches per game right now. I don't see any reason to mess up a good thing, we just need to keep feeding the beast. Can't ask for much better stat line than that through six games.
The thing is running the ball isn't the problem at all. Chubb's at 100 YPG, 5.3 YPC clip and 2nd in the league to McCaffrey who is the next Le'veon Bell in terms of touches per game right now. I don't see any reason to mess up a good thing, we just need to keep feeding the beast. Can't ask for much better stat line than that through six games.
You're right, BUT...we aren't getting the goal line push, and some of the time Chubb is getting yards DESPITE our line. We're missing that physicality, and it hurts us.
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
No way. Bad idea
Hes an elite pass rusher. You don’t screw that up and get his knee blown out on some LB cutting him.
No way. Bad idea
Hes an elite pass rusher. You don’t screw that up and get his knee blown out on some LB cutting him.
OLs try to cut him and grab him around the neck all the time. Likelihood of knee injury from a straight ahead block on a LB coming through a narrow gap is almost nil. He would roadgrade any of them in the game.
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No way. Bad idea
Hes an elite pass rusher. You don’t screw that up and get his knee blown out on some LB cutting him.
OLs try to cut him and grab him around the neck all the time. Likelihood of knee injury from a straight ahead block on a LB coming through a narrow gap is almost nil. He would roadgrade any of them in the game.
OLs try to cut him and grab him around the neck all the time. Likelihood of knee injury from a straight ahead block on a LB coming through a narrow gap is almost nil. He would roadgrade any of them in the game.
I sign a guy for 300k to lower his head and lose brain cells before Garrett does that.
we don’t need him in concussion protocol either
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According to the guy that first called OBJ being traded to the Browns
According to the guy that first called OBJ being traded to the Browns
we have the 2 worse tackles in the nfl....makes sense....
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The thing is running the ball isn't the problem at all. Chubb's at 100 YPG, 5.3 YPC clip and 2nd in the league to McCaffrey who is the next Le'veon Bell in terms of touches per game right now. I don't see any reason to mess up a good thing, we just need to keep feeding the beast. Can't ask for much better stat line than that through six games.
You're right, BUT...we aren't getting the goal line push, and some of the time Chubb is getting yards DESPITE our line. We're missing that physicality, and it hurts us.
You're right, BUT...we aren't getting the goal line push, and some of the time Chubb is getting yards DESPITE our line. We're missing that physicality, and it hurts us.
what i have been saying all along...not only do we not have the physicality on the ol....it also exists on the defensive side even more so...god we need some physical db's...they are all finesse db's...everyone of them....starters included....they cannot tackle worth a shit....lb's and dl are not much better either....
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
don't like that idea at all...
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
I wouldn't really want to use Garrett as a FB... but maybe Ogunjobi or Avery would work?
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
.......*blink*
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
I wouldn't really want to use Garrett as a FB... but maybe Ogunjobi or Avery would work?
as a FB... but maybe Ogunjobi or Avery would work?
Shelton Richardson as a Jet had 4 carries, 4 yards & 2 TD's... (how did we get here anyhow?
we need a tackle if not 2)
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a full back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a full back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a running back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
Maybe I should have phrased that somewhat differently. We don't miss what we never had, but we certainly could use one.
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We also miss having a true roadgrading FB. May I suggest teaching Garrett how to be one for goalline plays. He's fast enough, big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to actually fill the bill. Got nothing to lose by trying it out during this two weeks of practice
How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a full back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a running back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
It's a great question and I have your answer. I wish I had exact stats, but my eye test tells me that we completely suck at 3rd and 1. Let me ask you something...when we have 3rd and 1, what do we usually do? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT running the ball. We pass almost every 3rd and short, and we pass SO MUCH near the goal line, too! (ahem, Rams game anyone?). What's this mean? It means we aren't very good at running the ball when the defense KNOWS we're running it, and that's a problem. We have to pull linemen at the goal line...why? Because we can't trust our guys to get push.
Chubb is excelling DESPITE our team at times. We do him NO favors by running that screen pass 20 times a game.
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How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a running back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
It's a great question and I have your answer. I wish I had exact stats, but my eye test tells me that we completely suck at 3rd and 1. Let me ask you something...when we have 3rd and 1, what do we usually do? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT running the ball. We pass almost every 3rd and short, and we pass SO MUCH near the goal line, too! (ahem, Rams game anyone?). What's this mean? It means we aren't very good at running the ball when the defense KNOWS we're running it, and that's a problem. We have to pull linemen at the goal line...why? Because we can't trust our guys to get push.
Chubb is excelling DESPITE our team at times. We do him NO favors by running that screen pass 20 times a game.
It's a great question and I have your answer. I wish I had exact stats, but my eye test tells me that we completely suck at 3rd and 1. Let me ask you something...when we have 3rd and 1, what do we usually do? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT running the ball. We pass almost every 3rd and short, and we pass SO MUCH near the goal line, too! (ahem, Rams game anyone?). What's this mean? It means we aren't very good at running the ball when the defense KNOWS we're running it, and that's a problem. We have to pull linemen at the goal line...why? Because we can't trust our guys to get push.
Chubb is excelling DESPITE our team at times. We do him NO favors by running that screen pass 20 times a game.
Excelling to the point it's f'n stupid for Freddie to not use him more. Like only 11 yards off the lead in rushing league wide. You don't know what Nick can do around the goal line- until you try it more than once Freddy. I saw something where these "young" HCs are going to pass in goal line short a lot more- for whatever reason. It flies in the face of logic though.
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How do we miss having a road grading fb? As a previous poster said chubb is 2nd in the league in YPG only to a guy who touches the ball 40 times a game. Who is this true roadgrading fullback we had last year? Or the year prior. The last time we had a running back on the final roster was the year we went 0-16. I sure as hell don't miss that season. I get it I like smashmouth football as much as the next person but what I like most is watching the browns win. Im not gonna romanticize some position just because it takes me back to my younger days.
It's a great question and I have your answer. I wish I had exact stats, but my eye test tells me that we completely suck at 3rd and 1. Let me ask you something...when we have 3rd and 1, what do we usually do? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT running the ball. We pass almost every 3rd and short, and we pass SO MUCH near the goal line, too! (ahem, Rams game anyone?). What's this mean? It means we aren't very good at running the ball when the defense KNOWS we're running it, and that's a problem. We have to pull linemen at the goal line...why? Because we can't trust our guys to get push.
Chubb is excelling DESPITE our team at times. We do him NO favors by running that screen pass 20 times a game.
It's a great question and I have your answer. I wish I had exact stats, but my eye test tells me that we completely suck at 3rd and 1. Let me ask you something...when we have 3rd and 1, what do we usually do? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT running the ball. We pass almost every 3rd and short, and we pass SO MUCH near the goal line, too! (ahem, Rams game anyone?). What's this mean? It means we aren't very good at running the ball when the defense KNOWS we're running it, and that's a problem. We have to pull linemen at the goal line...why? Because we can't trust our guys to get push.
Chubb is excelling DESPITE our team at times. We do him NO favors by running that screen pass 20 times a game.
That logic is flawed. We fail at 3rd and 1 because we don't run the ball? Let's try running the ball more on these short yardage situations before we say we can't do it. You could say all we do all those things because we can't pick it up or can't get a push but we all know the line struggles to protect very long yet we still call tons of deep shots. If we're so self aware that we can't run on short yardage that we don't do it why dont the coaches have the same self awareness on calling deep shots?
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I've always been a fan of Kosar's "screw with the defense's minds" approach. It isn't, imho, that we can't run, it's that teams generally do with such a short field, and the defense knows that. Like Kosar liked to throw a bomb on the first offensive play of a game just to mess with em. That is how Baker ended up being able to run the ball in for a TD.
And, the Browns don't have a dominant offensive line vs the best defensive sets to run the ball in the red zone, other teams know that, so you have to change it up. The next time, you fake a pass and hand the ball off. Keep them unsure about what you will do.
Just my goofy opinion.
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I've always been a fan of Kosar's "screw with the defense's minds" approach. It isn't, imho, that we can't run, it's that teams generally do with such a short field, and the defense knows that. Like Kosar liked to throw a bomb on the first offensive play of a game just to mess with em. That is how Baker ended up being able to run the ball in for a TD.
And, the Browns don't have a dominant offensive line vs the best defensive sets to run the ball in the red zone, other teams know that, so you have to change it up. The next time, you fake a pass and hand the ball off. Keep them unsure about what you will do.
Just my goofy opinion.
I've always been a fan of Kosar's "screw with the defense's minds" approach. It isn't, imho, that we can't run, it's that teams generally do with such a short field, and the defense knows that. Like Kosar liked to throw a bomb on the first offensive play of a game just to mess with em. That is how Baker ended up being able to run the ball in for a TD.
And, the Browns don't have a dominant offensive line vs the best defensive sets to run the ball in the red zone, other teams know that, so you have to change it up. The next time, you fake a pass and hand the ball off. Keep them unsure about what you will do.
Just my goofy opinion.
Shaquill Griffin knew what was coming against the Browns
https://sports.yahoo.com/seahawks-film-room-shaquill-griffin-231517537.html
1. Tedric Thompson's clutch interception before halftime
The play: Cleveland faced 2nd-and-8 from Seattle's 10-yard line with 1:36 to play before halftime and a 20-12 lead. Baker Mayfield targeted Jarvis Landry in the right side of the end zone. Shaquill Griffin broke up the pass and Thompson made a diving interception.
The impact: It was at least a 9-point swing as the Seahawks were able to keep the Browns off the scoreboard while also scoring a touchdown themselves prior to halftime. (Seattle missed the 2-point try which is why it was a 9-point swing and not 10.)
The analysis: Griffin has been playing at an extremely high level all season, but this play might have been his finest work through six games.
"I remember the way he lined up – his actual split kind of gave up what he was going to do – or at least I felt he was going to do that," Griffin said. "He was tight to the numbers. You'll see prior to the play I was telling Ted(ric) that he was running that route. I was telling Ted, ‘He's coming this side, he's coming this side. Right to you, right to you.'"
Following the snap, Griffin opened his hips and gave up some cushion as Landry sprinted towards the goal line.
"I broke as soon as he broke and went inside," Griffin said. "I told myself to undercut (the pass) and try to go get it myself."
Both Griffin and Landry both got a piece of the football. Thompson, who was responsible for protecting the post on that particular play, was there to make the opportunistic interception for the second-straight week.
"It popped into the air, and Ted, knowing it was coming to him already, he knew just to be there in the area," Griffin said.
Griffin's confidence has gotten to the point where he's excelling at diagnosing plays pre-snap. His weekly film study proved to be especially worthwhile against Cleveland.
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WAit!! what...You broke your Leg? ? or Trent playing on a broken leg? Wrong Club? or bad uphill Tee lie? Golf Cart gone Wild?
lol.... none of the above...
Excited Granddaughter... Grandpa feelin' his oats...
concrete ramp to Universal's M.I.B. "ride"...
Tangled feet... ramp and hip meet...
Gramps came up "craps" as femur snaps.
Ambulance to ORMC with surgery refusing to stay away... a much longer implant spike less than a day away.
Home today... feelin' OK....... ish....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
WAit!! what...You broke your Leg? ? or Trent playing on a broken leg? Wrong Club? or bad uphill Tee lie? Golf Cart gone Wild?
lol.... none of the above...
Excited Granddaughter... Grandpa feelin' his oats...
concrete ramp to Universal's M.I.B. "ride"...
Tangled feet... ramp and hip meet...
Gramps came up "craps" as femur snaps.
Ambulance to ORMC with surgery refusing to stay away... a much longer implant spike less than a day away.
Home today... feelin' OK....... ish....
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lol.... none of the above...
Excited Granddaughter... Grandpa feelin' his oats...
concrete ramp to Universal's M.I.B. "ride"...
Tangled feet... ramp and hip meet...
Gramps came up "craps" as femur snaps.
Ambulance to ORMC with surgery refusing to stay away... a much longer implant spike less than a day away.
Home today... feelin' OK....... ish....
We're headed to Orlando for a 5 night stay with all kids/grandkids during Thanksgiving break. I will be sure to look for the broken femur ride. Sounds like you really need this man though.??
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I hope we don't make this trade. People need to remember that our OL wasn't performing great last year and Baker was getting killed. Remember we were all worried he wasn't going to last? Then the coaching change and Baker couldn't be touched the rest of the year, and this too happened after the bye week.
This can happen again. Are we going to make SOME changes? Yes, Dorsey made that pretty damn clear in the way he spoke about the tackles. Don't be surprised to see Kendall Lamm get a shot at tackle and Wyatt Tellar will definitely replace Kush. You may even see two new tackles, with McCray joining Lamm. What kills Dorsey and the coaching staff are the penalties. That last holding call effectively lost us the game. Instead of 2nd and 2, it was 1st and 20, and you know what happened next. It's a common theme with Robinson, and he NEVER gets the benefit of the doubt. The refs really could've let that one go, but that's how it's gone this year.
For some reason I'm REALLY looking forward to the Patriots game. I just get the feeling that our team is on the verge of bursting out, and I'm not one to normally shout out optimistic proclamations. Baker has literally missed almost every single red zone read, and when he DID make the correct decision, it's been picked off. That WON'T continue to happen, and he's going to get healthy and refocus in the coming days. Against the Patriots, we'll need to use the pass to set up the run, and I think we will do just that. Seals-Jones will score again, as will Chubb (pass + rush), Landry, and a deep OBJ TD.
Browns win 34 to 23.
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I hope we don't make this trade. People need to remember that our OL wasn't performing great last year and Baker was getting killed. Remember we were all worried he wasn't going to last? Then the coaching change and Baker couldn't be touched the rest of the year, and this too happened after the bye week.
This can happen again. Are we going to make SOME changes? Yes, Dorsey made that pretty damn clear in the way he spoke about the tackles. Don't be surprised to see Kendall Lamm get a shot at tackle and Wyatt Tellar will definitely replace Kush. You may even see two new tackles, with McCray joining Lamm. What kills Dorsey and the coaching staff are the penalties. That last holding call effectively lost us the game. Instead of 2nd and 2, it was 1st and 20, and you know what happened next. It's a common theme with Robinson, and he NEVER gets the benefit of the doubt. The refs really could've let that one go, but that's how it's gone this year.
For some reason I'm REALLY looking forward to the Patriots game. I just get the feeling that our team is on the verge of bursting out, and I'm not one to normally shout out optimistic proclamations. Baker has literally missed almost every single red zone read, and when he DID make the correct decision, it's been picked off. That WON'T continue to happen, and he's going to get healthy and refocus in the coming days. Against the Patriots, we'll need to use the pass to set up the run, and I think we will do just that. Seals-Jones will score again, as will Chubb (pass + rush), Landry, and a deep OBJ TD.
Browns win 34 to 23.
I hope we don't make this trade. People need to remember that our OL wasn't performing great last year and Baker was getting killed. Remember we were all worried he wasn't going to last? Then the coaching change and Baker couldn't be touched the rest of the year, and this too happened after the bye week.
This can happen again. Are we going to make SOME changes? Yes, Dorsey made that pretty damn clear in the way he spoke about the tackles. Don't be surprised to see Kendall Lamm get a shot at tackle and Wyatt Tellar will definitely replace Kush. You may even see two new tackles, with McCray joining Lamm. What kills Dorsey and the coaching staff are the penalties. That last holding call effectively lost us the game. Instead of 2nd and 2, it was 1st and 20, and you know what happened next. It's a common theme with Robinson, and he NEVER gets the benefit of the doubt. The refs really could've let that one go, but that's how it's gone this year. Also, our staff is very excited about Drew Forbes, and he suffered that awful injury in the preseason JUST as he was skyrocketing up the depth chart. Luckily for him, it wasn't too serious, and he should be ready week 9. He's built like a tackle with freakish ability.
For some reason I'm REALLY looking forward to the Patriots game. I just get the feeling that our team is on the verge of bursting out, and I'm not one to normally shout out optimistic proclamations. Baker has literally missed almost every single red zone read, and when he DID make the correct decision, it's been picked off. That WON'T continue to happen, and he's going to get healthy and refocus in the coming days. Against the Patriots, we'll need to use the pass to set up the run, and I think we will do just that. Seals-Jones will score again, as will Chubb (pass + rush), Landry, and a deep OBJ TD.
Browns win 34 to 23.
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bad uphill Tee lie? Golf Cart gone Wild?
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