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  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
    #22

    Just dozed off at 24-0 woke up and saw 33-0...... this game had over written on it if the Nyets could score something.

    Good luck BROWNS next week!

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
    #23

    The last play was all Jets!  And Brady finally sits down.  😆

  • WEEK 7 - MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL One man's opinion on the New England at the NY Jets game.

    Well since our next opponent is playing late Monday night and the BROWNS are well rested let's take a closer look at this game. Blowout right?

    Also the Patriots last played on a Thursday night and were watching with interest as the Jets beat Dallas last Sunday. They don’t play zone defense like the Cowboys do. They play man and they do it well. If the Jets have a better offense, defense or special teams than the Patriots, it’s news to us and a lot other folks who know football. 

    And when Jets’ quarterback Sam Darnold starts stringing good games and team wins together, then we can start believing in him and this team. Darnold’s only game vs. New England was last year’s regular-season finale, won 38-3 by the Pats. Just because the Jets went out and got this guy and that guy since then, and won last week, doesn’t mean they’re suddenly a classy and consistent team. NEW ENGLAND is.

    Well at NE -10 and the OVER/UNDER at 43' this should be a no brainier right? For sure the Patriots are NOT looking ahead to the BROWNS game.  And the "Brady and Belichik Way" is to annihilate teams especially weak ones.

    SO what to do? EASY, D'UH  go with the machine NE -10 for a bundle and the OVER 43.5 for a little bit more and get ready for the bloodshed.  Patriots style.

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
    #24

    @mjp28 said:

    SO what to do? EASY, D'UH  go with the machine NE -10 for a bundle and the OVER 43.5 for a little bit more and get ready for the bloodshed.  Patriots style.

    About as easy as it gets.  I see a couple of sports books took the BROWNS game off, watch the lines move.

  • @hoorta said:

    What do we do? Hope for lots of injuries?  😁  Nah- just kidding.  

    Well suspensions then? 

    Anyone besides me going to watch the game?

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by hoorta
    #25

    @mjp28 said:

    Well suspensions then? 

    Anyone besides me going to watch the game?

    I watched the first half plays only. Stuck around for the Star Wars trailer at halftime. 

    OK, my observations, here goes...

    Patriots do a lot of max protect for Tom, many times keeping in a TE to block. And Cal had it right- refs ignored a flagrant hold. You mean when a defender's shirt is stretched out two feet, and you didn't see it?   They also looked great at doing double team blocks on the inside- will that leave them vulnerable to stunts? Brady is getting the ball out so damn fast (in the two second range) there's little time to get to him on pass rushes. They're running tons of quick outs- you had better jam the Pats receivers at the line and dare Brady to beat you deep. No playing 10 yards off the ball this game. 

    On defense- New England was playing at least 6, and often 7 in the box- every down. Trusting their defensive backfield can cover one on one. Curtians for Darnold, we bet we can get you from a disguised blitzer. Of course, you don't need to disguise much when the Pats are playing cover zero- a lot. 

    So Baker and Wilks- give 'em a dose of the same medicine. Quick out Baker, and devise in the box schemes that don't allow Brady the time to think, and figure out a way to defeat the Pat's o-line double teams. Start earning your money Vernon and Richardson. .   

    EDIT- PS- as the commentator said- if there's plays where Brady is getting the ball out in one second- it has to be a predetermined play- get ball, aim fire, all in one motion.  

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
    #26

    defense has to be Stout as they are anticipated to be. trap game?  for the win.

  • defense has to be Stout as they are anticipated to be. trap game?  for the win.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @lbc-mike said:

    defense has to be Stout as they are anticipated to be. trap game?  for the win.

    Key- no Browns turnovers on offense. 

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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    I would like to immediately alter my former prediction of the upcoming Patriots game, and now I predict we will lose approximately 137-2.

    Ummm...that game last night was exactly the OPPOSITE of what I wanted to see. All the buzz is currently around the Patriots' defense, and rightfully so. They've allowed the second fewest points in the Super Bowl era. I can rattle off many more terrifying statistics, but you guys get the point. They play this "Cover Zero" style blitzing defense and several analysts predict it will influence how other teams play defense, similar to the Tampa Two (Cover 2) defenses from the old Bucs that so many coaches emulated. It had Darnold "seeing ghosts" and hopefully Baker will fare better. 

    Can we win? We CAN, but it will have to be our best game of the year, better than Baltimore. Believe it or not, the Jets had multiple chances to score. They had two red zone INTs before the 4th quarter started, so it could have easily been a relatively close game if the Jets converted their opportunities. Unfortunately, converting red zone opportunities hasn't been our strong suit, but perhaps it's time to change that. Jets also had some very untimely penalties that extended drives, and Patriots WILL make you pay if you do that. 

    The smart money would be on Baker struggling, just like everyone else, but you never know. Darnold also missed two deep shots that were there, and missed a 4th down pass in the red zone that was open. Translation? You MUST convert the opportunities given to you because they aren't going to come often. 

    Let's freaking GO Browns. 

  • I would like to immediately alter my former prediction of the upcoming Patriots game, and now I predict we will lose approximately 137-2.

    Ummm...that game last night was exactly the OPPOSITE of what I wanted to see. All the buzz is currently around the Patriots' defense, and rightfully so. They've allowed the second fewest points in the Super Bowl era. I can rattle off many more terrifying statistics, but you guys get the point. They play this "Cover Zero" style blitzing defense and several analysts predict it will influence how other teams play defense, similar to the Tampa Two (Cover 2) defenses from the old Bucs that so many coaches emulated. It had Darnold "seeing ghosts" and hopefully Baker will fare better. 

    Can we win? We CAN, but it will have to be our best game of the year, better than Baltimore. Believe it or not, the Jets had multiple chances to score. They had two red zone INTs before the 4th quarter started, so it could have easily been a relatively close game if the Jets converted their opportunities. Unfortunately, converting red zone opportunities hasn't been our strong suit, but perhaps it's time to change that. Jets also had some very untimely penalties that extended drives, and Patriots WILL make you pay if you do that. 

    The smart money would be on Baker struggling, just like everyone else, but you never know. Darnold also missed two deep shots that were there, and missed a 4th down pass in the red zone that was open. Translation? You MUST convert the opportunities given to you because they aren't going to come often. 

    Let's freaking GO Browns. 

    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
    #30

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I would like to immediately alter my former prediction of the upcoming Patriots game, and now I predict we will lose approximately 137-2.

    Ummm...that game last night was exactly the OPPOSITE of what I wanted to see. All the buzz is currently around the Patriots' defense, and rightfully so. They've allowed the second fewest points in the Super Bowl era. I can rattle off many more terrifying statistics, but you guys get the point. They play this "Cover Zero" style blitzing defense and several analysts predict it will influence how other teams play defense, similar to the Tampa Two (Cover 2) defenses from the old Bucs that so many coaches emulated. It had Darnold "seeing ghosts" and hopefully Baker will fare better. 

    Can we win? We CAN, but it will have to be our best game of the year, better than Baltimore. Believe it or not, the Jets had multiple chances to score. They had two red zone INTs before the 4th quarter started, so it could have easily been a relatively close game if the Jets converted their opportunities. Unfortunately, converting red zone opportunities hasn't been our strong suit, but perhaps it's time to change that. Jets also had some very untimely penalties that extended drives, and Patriots WILL make you pay if you do that. 

    The smart money would be on Baker struggling, just like everyone else, but you never know. Darnold also missed two deep shots that were there, and missed a 4th down pass in the red zone that was open. Translation? You MUST convert the opportunities given to you because they aren't going to come often. 

    Let's freaking GO Browns. 

    The only silver lining is that outside the Bills they've played the teams that literally may be 1-5 in the NFL draft. The bills game they looked beatable. Thing is though, we're in the top 10 draft pick column right now too.

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #31

    I'm determined to win five of my bucks back from our close friend's daughter - a huge Patriots fan - who thinks

    Brady is so pretty.

    yeek.

    My Wife said that they were talking about how the Patriots study the referees - that some refs call some things, some don't.

    So, they act accordingly in a game. Very interesting..... if the (some are dishonest) refs are doing that, making themselves relevant...to the outcome of a game to a point.... then that is information to be used by the team. Maybe he learned that from being a disastrous hc with the Browns back in the day....

      it will be a tough game - what was it? the defense has only given up a couple of rushiing TD's and only one passing TD ?

    Danny Shelton was still collapsing the pocket for the patriots.

    My five bucks says the Browns will beat em.

    (Gregg Williams...33-0. egad) Not enough defense there lol)

    But the Patriots will have to know they won't run much vs the Browns. I just hope Ward and Greedy are back...

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
    #32

    oh, and about the Patriots offensive line - it's actually rated #8 here

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff/2019

    Browns are #27

  • I'm determined to win five of my bucks back from our close friend's daughter - a huge Patriots fan - who thinks

    Brady is so pretty.

    yeek.

    My Wife said that they were talking about how the Patriots study the referees - that some refs call some things, some don't.

    So, they act accordingly in a game. Very interesting..... if the (some are dishonest) refs are doing that, making themselves relevant...to the outcome of a game to a point.... then that is information to be used by the team. Maybe he learned that from being a disastrous hc with the Browns back in the day....

      it will be a tough game - what was it? the defense has only given up a couple of rushiing TD's and only one passing TD ?

    Danny Shelton was still collapsing the pocket for the patriots.

    My five bucks says the Browns will beat em.

    (Gregg Williams...33-0. egad) Not enough defense there lol)

    But the Patriots will have to know they won't run much vs the Browns. I just hope Ward and Greedy are back...

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #33

    @calfoxwc said:

    I'm determined to win five of my bucks back from our close friend's daughter.....
    My five bucks says the Browns will beat em.

    So double or nothing on the $10 week nine??

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
    #34

    Tuesday 9 am.  Hey the Jets just scored !!   😆

    And I thought this was going to be a 40-10 game, silly me.

    The #Patriots (-9.5) killed the #Jets 33-0, and the 'under' connected for the 17th time in 22 primetime games in 2019. And we get #Dolphins-#Steelers next Monday! Woo-hoo. #NFL

  • Tuesday 9 am.  Hey the Jets just scored !!   😆

    And I thought this was going to be a 40-10 game, silly me.

    The #Patriots (-9.5) killed the #Jets 33-0, and the 'under' connected for the 17th time in 22 primetime games in 2019. And we get #Dolphins-#Steelers next Monday! Woo-hoo. #NFL

    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
    #35

    @mjp28 said:

    Tuesday 9 am.  Hey the Jets just scored !!   😆

    And I thought this was going to be a 40-10 game, silly me.

    The #Patriots (-9.5) killed the #Jets 33-0, and the 'under' connected for the 17th time in 22 primetime games in 2019. And we get #Dolphins-#Steelers next Monday! Woo-hoo. #NFL

    I'll tell ya this much-as a gamblin man, the rule of thumb is high double digit favorites were always the "easy bet" to give the points on the underdog. I'd be curious the percentage of double digit favorites covering, it's gotta be 75% or more. The good vs the bad teams in the NFL is the most polar I've witnessed in a good while.

  • oh, and about the Patriots offensive line - it's actually rated #8 here

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff/2019

    Browns are #27

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
    #36

    @calfoxwc said:

    oh, and about the Patriots offensive line - it's actually rated #8 here

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff/2019

    Browns are #27

    How much of that is credited to pass blocking for 2 seconds.  Josh McDaniels on record saying after the injuries and they’ve had many they need to get the ball out quickly. 

    Scheme and QB can make or break and offensive line. 

  • I would like to immediately alter my former prediction of the upcoming Patriots game, and now I predict we will lose approximately 137-2.

    Ummm...that game last night was exactly the OPPOSITE of what I wanted to see. All the buzz is currently around the Patriots' defense, and rightfully so. They've allowed the second fewest points in the Super Bowl era. I can rattle off many more terrifying statistics, but you guys get the point. They play this "Cover Zero" style blitzing defense and several analysts predict it will influence how other teams play defense, similar to the Tampa Two (Cover 2) defenses from the old Bucs that so many coaches emulated. It had Darnold "seeing ghosts" and hopefully Baker will fare better. 

    Can we win? We CAN, but it will have to be our best game of the year, better than Baltimore. Believe it or not, the Jets had multiple chances to score. They had two red zone INTs before the 4th quarter started, so it could have easily been a relatively close game if the Jets converted their opportunities. Unfortunately, converting red zone opportunities hasn't been our strong suit, but perhaps it's time to change that. Jets also had some very untimely penalties that extended drives, and Patriots WILL make you pay if you do that. 

    The smart money would be on Baker struggling, just like everyone else, but you never know. Darnold also missed two deep shots that were there, and missed a 4th down pass in the red zone that was open. Translation? You MUST convert the opportunities given to you because they aren't going to come often. 

    Let's freaking GO Browns. 

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
    #37

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I would like to immediately alter my former prediction of the upcoming Patriots game, and now I predict we will lose approximately 137-2.

    Ummm...that game last night was exactly the OPPOSITE of what I wanted to see. All the buzz is currently around the Patriots' defense, and rightfully so. They've allowed the second fewest points in the Super Bowl era. I can rattle off many more terrifying statistics, but you guys get the point. They play this "Cover Zero" style blitzing defense and several analysts predict it will influence how other teams play defense, similar to the Tampa Two (Cover 2) defenses from the old Bucs that so many coaches emulated. It had Darnold "seeing ghosts" and hopefully Baker will fare better. 

    Can we win? We CAN, but it will have to be our best game of the year, better than Baltimore. Believe it or not, the Jets had multiple chances to score. They had two red zone INTs before the 4th quarter started, so it could have easily been a relatively close game if the Jets converted their opportunities. Unfortunately, converting red zone opportunities hasn't been our strong suit, but perhaps it's time to change that. Jets also had some very untimely penalties that extended drives, and Patriots WILL make you pay if you do that. 

    The smart money would be on Baker struggling, just like everyone else, but you never know. Darnold also missed two deep shots that were there, and missed a 4th down pass in the red zone that was open. Translation? You MUST convert the opportunities given to you because they aren't going to come often. 

    Let's freaking GO Browns. 

    Darnold was throwing floaters off his back foot.  I’m sure the Pats D is good and they certainly capitalized which makes them good.  But the Pats D has some help last night 

    I’d actually prefer they go cover zero - play man and blitz Baker.  As long as we don’t see 5 WR empty back sets and go routes down the field.  We do that so hold your breath.

      Baker has problems with zone and layered coverages. I’m sure we see it this week. 

  • @mjp28 said:

    Tuesday 9 am.  Hey the Jets just scored !!   😆

    And I thought this was going to be a 40-10 game, silly me.

    The #Patriots (-9.5) killed the #Jets 33-0, and the 'under' connected for the 17th time in 22 primetime games in 2019. And we get #Dolphins-#Steelers next Monday! Woo-hoo. #NFL

    I'll tell ya this much-as a gamblin man, the rule of thumb is high double digit favorites were always the "easy bet" to give the points on the underdog. I'd be curious the percentage of double digit favorites covering, it's gotta be 75% or more. The good vs the bad teams in the NFL is the most polar I've witnessed in a good while.

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
    #38

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'll tell ya this much-as a gamblin man, the rule of thumb is high double digit favorites were always the "easy bet" to give the points on the underdog. I'd be curious the percentage of double digit favorites covering, it's gotta be 75% or more. The good vs the bad teams in the NFL is the most polar I've witnessed in a good while.

    I'm looking for some up to date information on the double digit favorites ATS historically they've done well but not near 75% more like almost 60%.

    So far underdogs and unders have done well this year. From covers....

    AGAINST THE SPREAD TRENDS (ATS)

    Category Record Percent
    Away Teams 65-39-2 62.50%
    Home Teams 39-65-2 37.50%
    Favorites 43-61-2 41.35%
    Dogs 61-43-2 58.65%
    Away Favorites 20-16-0 55.56%
    Away Dogs 45-23-2 66.18% <------ !
    Home Favorites 23-45-2 33.82%
    Home Dogs 16-20-0 44.44%

    OVER VS. UNDER TRENDS

    Category Overs Percent Unders Percent
    Overtime Games 3 100.00% 0 0.00%
    Non-Overtime Games 46 44.66% 57 55.34%
    All Games 49 46.23% 57 53.77%
  • hx214H hx214 wrote on last edited by hx214
    #39

    Man....

    Steelers

    Fins

    Jets

    Bills

    Redskins

    Giants 

    Jets

    Outside of the Bills..... have the Pats had to do anything but show up to the game for the W?

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
    #40

    The Patriots have covered every game but the home vs JETS  and at Buffalo. Could they go undefeated probably not but they have a few tests ahead and probably will be favored in most all.

    CLEVELAND.....upset time?

    at Baltimore
    at Philadelphia
    DALLAS
    at Houston
    KANSAS CITY
    at Cincinnati
    BUFFALO

  • The Patriots have covered every game but the home vs JETS  and at Buffalo. Could they go undefeated probably not but they have a few tests ahead and probably will be favored in most all.

    CLEVELAND.....upset time?

    at Baltimore
    at Philadelphia
    DALLAS
    at Houston
    KANSAS CITY
    at Cincinnati
    BUFFALO

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
    #41

    @mjp28 said:

    The Patriots have covered every game but the home vs JETS  and at Buffalo. Could they go undefeated probably not but they have a few tests ahead and probably will be favored in most all.

    CLEVELAND.....upset time?

    at Baltimore
    at Philadelphia
    DALLAS
    at Houston
    KANSAS CITY
    at Cincinnati
    BUFFALO

    Early  line  Browns  +10.