WEEK 8 - ONE MAN'S OPINION the BROWNS, injury reports, +13 O/U 46 in NE at 4:25, now +10' again?

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

@jiggins7919 said:

I don't bet. My friends all do not it's not something I feel comfortable with because I hate losing money, and I'm worried about getting hooked if I actually liked it. The games I would have bet on this year with the Brownies (my friends ask for advice) I'd be 4-2 record wise. I really thought we were going to beat the Titans, but rule number one of Browns betting is they always lose the opener. 

Didn’t you bet against the Browns for the Ravens game? ?

[jiggins7919]

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

Didn’t you bet against the Browns for the Ravens game? ?

Yep. Got that one wrong and the Titans. Had the other ones. In terms of what I told my buddies, not so much what I put here. 

Right now, the Rams game and the Seahawks games are crushing us. As I re-examine our schedule, I'm just not seeing how we can pull it off. I've been saying all year that I thought the Ravens were better than some people thought, and they just beat the team that we couldn't. Not only that, they're healthy now and they look good. Of course, it helps when the effing Seahawks gift TWO defensive touchdowns. God that's so effing frustrating. 

[mjp28]

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

Didn’t you bet against the Browns for the Ravens game? ?

Well I'm actually doing ok in our NFL pickem this year but not so hot in college...... which is opposite what I normally do.  It's been a real tricky year for the NFL with a lot of underdogs and under bets covering, opposite of a lot of casual bettors pick.

I like fantasy football and survival all for fun.  I've never bet online but have known a few bookies and runners.

I only bet now when I feel like it or have a real good hunch on a game.   I used to bet a lot way back when -but- always watch my money.  And yes I enjoy it puts a little more interest in the games plus I've always loved SPORTS !

[jiggins7919]

@mjp28 said:

Well I'm actually doing ok in our NFL pickem this year but not so hot in college...... which is opposite what I normally do.  It's been a real tricky year for the NFL with a lot of underdogs and under bets covering, opposite of a lot of casual bettors pick.

I like fantasy football and survival all for fun.  I've never bet online but have known a few bookies and runners.

I only get now when I feel like it or have a real good hunch on a game.   I used to bet a lot way back when -but- always watch my money.  And yes I enjoy it puts a little more interest in the games plus I've always loved SPORTS !

I do find that it gets me a lot more interested in the games! I won't lie, it can be fun and some of the online services make it very easy and loads of fun to do. Everything from the single week fantasy football things, to the high payout parlays, to whatever else. It's pretty entertaining. 

[mjp28]

@jiggins7919 said:

I do find that it gets me a lot more interested in the games! I won't lie, it can be fun and some of the online services make it very easy and loads of fun to do. Everything from the single week fantasy football things, to the high payout parlays, to whatever else. It's pretty entertaining. 

Now that sports betting is legal in all 50 states WHEN each state sets it up betting on sports will be like playing the lottery.  Within 5 years about 40 states should have gaming up and running and the others will probably capitulate and join them for the extra tax dollars.

Recently New Jersey passed Nevada in sportsbook betting and every state will have an adjoining state with sports betting so like in much of Europe it will be no big deal......and a bit oversaturated.

Just gamble wisely!  It's gambling not sure thing  -and-. don't bet the rent and grocery money unless you like to be wet and hungry.   

[SdBacker80]

@tour2ma said:

Doesn't quite feel like a compliment.

It will be a huge advantage one of these weeks.  

[jiggins7919]

@mjp28 said:

Just gamble wisely!  It gambling not sure thing  -and-. don't bet the rent and grocery money unless you like to be wet and hungry.   

And that's just it, gamble wisely. As I've gotten a little older, I find that I hold money a little tighter than I used to, and the thought of losing it exceeds the thrill of maybe winning it! ?

I feel like I have a pretty good feel of our Browns, but I was almost wrong again when we should have beaten the Seahawks. I thought we'd struggle more, but I was wrong. I honestly hope we can bounce back from that one...it really hurt as a FAN...I can't imagine how difficult it is as a player. 

Back to betting... 

My single buddy won a giant parlay bet for around $4500 and took me out for an elaborate dinner at a high end restaurant in town. I never have spent $400 on dinner for 3 people, and I likely never will (I work in nonprofit world, lol) but he sure did and it was LEGENDARY. Hahahaha 

[medicineman]

@jiggins7919 said:

And that's just it, gamble wisely. As I've gotten a little older, I find that I hold money a little tighter than I used to, and the thought of losing it exceeds the thrill of maybe winning it! ?

I feel like I have a pretty good feel of our Browns, but I was almost wrong again when we should have beaten the Seahawks. I thought we'd struggle more, but I was wrong. I honestly hope we can bounce back from that one...it really hurt as a FAN...I can't imagine how difficult it is as a player. 

Back to betting... 

My single buddy won a giant parlay bet for around $4500 and took me out for an elaborate dinner at a high end restaurant in town. I never have spent $400 on dinner for 3 people, and I likely never will (I work in nonprofit world, lol) but he sure did and it was LEGENDARY. Hahahaha 

I could never justify spending that kind of money eating out. Really since all the foods I love to eat like Steak and Chicken I can grill just as good if not better than many places. I hate going out to eat in the first place IDC if it is a a high end place or a hole in the wall dump or even worse fast food. I hate people so 

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

For sports bettors and poker players, a state constitution that offers no specific laws against placing bets online or offline offers a relatively safe environment in which players can place their wagers. The next step for gambling in Ohio is currently unknown, but recent pro-gambling changes to legislation show signs that things are moving in the right direction.

Most people can't wait to see this done it's so convenient to grab your VISA card and phone and go for it!  I never really wanted to go with the online and a few sites some have had occassional problems but most are probably safe. A few fun bets is alright if you can handle it and afford it.

However the danger in all of this is the person getting loaded at the local sports bar and blowing his next paycheck then running to get a Payday loan and well.....not good.

I prefer just calling my bookie anyway.

And, do you do that....or are you all talk?

Most people are better off staying home making a hearty GAMEDAY MEAL and enjoying the game.

GO BROWNS, what's good to eat at halftime?

Shit, if the game is going badly.

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

Just curious how many of you out there place bets at a casino sportsbook or local bookie or online or just among friends?

Do you bet a lot, occasionally, rarely or not at all?   Do you play pickems, survival or other fantasy sports?

Do you bet on Cleveland or maybe only on Cleveland or never Cleveland?

Do you ever win?  .        And of course any other related sports betting stories.

I have only bet on games twice,  both times when I was in Nevada...as that was the only place legal at the times I was there:

Once, I was in Tahoe,  it was 1999, first season the Browns were "back".  Bet 5 bucks on them....they lost the game when Akili Smith did the only positive thing in his career and led the Bengals to a last second victory.  However, I did win the bet as the Browns "covered".  I never cash in the ticket. It would have only been for like 5 bucks.  It still sits in my scrapbook of that trip.

I bet once more when I was in Wendover NV.  We were in Salt Lake, went out to the Bonneville Salt Flats....and decided to go the rest of the way into Nevada to a casino there in Wendover.  this was in 2015.  I bet on the Browns..but I think they...and I...both lost. Again, only like 5 bucks.

Some 30+ years ago in an office I was in they ran a football pool.  You give your buck, pick all the games, and whoever got the most games right, took the pool.  (no point spreads involved).  I may have won once or twice.  Only about 15-20 people participated. 

Does that count?

[jiggins7919]

@tour2ma said:

Sounds like Greg Robinson is getting benched in favor of McCray? Greg hasn't been GOOD, but starting McCray instead of Robinson against the best defense in the league sounds crazy, right? I don't think you can go there, not right now. Also, Hubbard has been more of an issue than Greg, right? I dunno man, I can't imagine benching your LT at this point in the season. Benching Kush? OK, fine. You traded for Tellar, that's fine. 

I know one thing, we can't get blown out like the Jets did. We can't get blown out for the 3rd time in 7 games. I don't THINK we will, but then again, the damn Patriots look freakin insane. One thing I noticed about the Pat's offense is that we will HAVE to tackle better because the Pats don't think twice about throwing short and trying to block or scheme their way for extra yardage. They throw short SO much and it works. They block well, Tom hits people in stride, and they are very tough. 

[jiggins7919]

@mjp28 said:

This is a bad place for a must win game but if they go 2-5 into Denver next week it's pretty much wait until 2020 for the playoff talk.

I know, and I hate to say it, but we lose and that's pretty much the end because the Ravens are bringing it right now and we can't catch them. 

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

I was referring to the guy who bet against Cleveland with the Ravens and then said he doesn’t bet lol

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

I have only bet on games twice,  both times when I was in Nevada...as that was the only place legal at the times I was there:

Once, I was in Tahoe,  it was 1999, first season the Browns were "back".  Bet 5 bucks on them....they lost the game when Akili Smith did the only positive thing in his career and led the Bengals to a last second victory.  However, I did win the bet as the Browns "covered".  I never cash in the ticket. It would have only been for like 5 bucks.  It still sits in my scrapbook of that trip......

Does that count?

Does that count? Yes but you bet like my wife she bets, wins, quits.   All of us guys "let it ride" and lose..... eventually.  

You are a wise bettor.

And casinos make a LOT of money over a years time on amateur bettors who win and keep the tickets  -or-. keep casino chips as souvenirs and take them home especially the bigger amounts (like me from several places).  That's another reason why you don't play with cash at the tables also chips don't really feel like money and you don't realize how much you are really playing....and losing.  If you were throwing $100 bills down you might not be so gung-ho.

Some people who go to the Kentucky Derby also tend to do that rather than cash them in.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@mjp28 said:

Just curious how many of you out there place bets at a casino sportsbook or local bookie or online or just among friends?

Do you bet a lot, occasionally, rarely or not at all?   Do you play pickems, survival or other fantasy sports?

Do you bet on Cleveland or maybe only on Cleveland or never Cleveland?

Do you ever win?  .        And of course any other related sports betting stories.

Gambling is one vice I don't have.?

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

I prefer just calling my bookie anyway.

And, do you do that....or are you all talk?

Gip I could tell you some incredible stories about being 18 and working in a steel mill in Youngstown Ohio in 1969 with bookie runners all over and at every bar in town. Plus I was making good money, full time tuition at YSU was $150 a quarter which I could easily do out of one paycheck.  Plus two of my uncle's had dance joints/bars and my family was involved in politics. Oh and I knew all of the cops.

I was in my first real bookie joint in Girard Ohio with a kid I grew up with who was a first team All Ohio DE and played football in the BIG TEN that was 1970, he had connections.  Oh and it was in my first Vegas style all night gambling joint in Niles Ohio where I grew up with him, free food and drinks and big screen TV and the tables were PACKED all night.  Oh it was a mob run "social club" with BINGO downstairs for the grandma's and wives.

I knew lots of bookies and numbers runners and my most recent one is really cool my wife and I go over there for steak cookouts.

I will say that the bookies were hit when the Ohio Lottery came in and will be hit worse when sports betting is wide open.

Oh and all bookies operate like this, football two rules 1. if you hit you collect and 2. if you lose you pay (no questions). On the bug (numbers) if you hit big the runners get 10% and no W-2G in the mail.  

I've lived an interesting life.  

[mjp28]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Gambling is one vice I don't have.?

I don't have any vices at all.   

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

Does that count? Yes but you bet like my wife she bets, wins, quits.   All of us guys "let it ride" and lose..... eventually.  

Its called "being smart"

You are a wise bettor.

And casinos make a LOT of money over a years time on amateur bettors who win and keep the tickets

I am sure their profit margin soared when I didn't cash in the like 3-5 dollar ticket.  You know, if the Browns had actually won that game I may have cashed it in. But I was pissed about the way the game came out...so I didn't bother.

  -or-. keep casino chips as souvenirs and take them home especially the bigger amounts (like me from several places).

I may have kept like a $1  chip.  nothing big.

  That's another reason why you don't play with cash at the tables also chips don't really feel like money and you don't realize how much you are really playing....and losing.  If you were throwing $100 bills down you might not be so gung-ho.

I never really play the table games:  poker, craps, roulette.  Only roulette slightly interests me, but I have only played it like once or twice in my life.  I just play the slots...and I don't like all these fancy new games. Just give me like a 3 line slot machine...not all this other video crap they have.

Some people who go to the Kentucky Derby also tend to do that rather than cash them in.

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

Gip I could tell you some incredible stories about being 18 and working in a steel mill in Youngstown Ohio in 1969 with bookie runners all over and at every bar in town. Plus I was making good money, full time tuition at YSU was $150 a quarter which I could easily do out of one paycheck.  Plus two of my uncle's had dance joints/bars and my family was involved in politics. Oh and I knew all of the cops.

I was in my first real bookie joint in Girard Ohio with a kid I grew up with who was a first team All Ohio DE and played football in the BIG TEN that was 1970, he had connections.  Oh and I was in my first Vegas style all night gambling joint in Niles Ohio where I grew up with him, free food and drinks and big screen TV and the tables were PACKED all night.  Oh it was a job run "social club" with BINGO downstairs for the grandma's and wives.

I knew lots of bookies and numbers runners and my most recent one is really cool my wife and I go over there for steak cookouts.

I will say that the bookies were hit when the Ohio Lottery came in and will be hit worse when sports betting is wide open.

Oh and all bookies operate like this, football two rules 1. if you hit you collect and 2. if you lose you pay (no questions). On the bug (numbers) if you hit big the runners get 10% and no W-2G in the mail.  

I've lived an interesting life.  

Well....Youngstown has a reputation as nothing but a mob town.....I am sure just about everyone from there has run into the mob venues at some point.

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

I am sure their profit margin soared when I didn't cash in the like 3-5 dollar ticket.  You know, if the Browns had actually won that game I may have cashed it in. But I was pissed about the way the game came out...so I didn't bother.......

I never really play the table games:  poker, craps, roulette.  Only roulette slightly interests me, but I have only played it like once or twice in my life.  I just play the slots...and I don't like all these fancy new games. Just give me like a 3 line slot machine...not all this other video crap they have.

On souvenirs Vegas makes a lot as it is but think about how many from the USA and around the world come through their doors especially the Chinese and Japanese some are huge bettors and love anything American and keep souvenirs.

And on games I love craps the most roulette is fun they say black jack is the best way to make money but it can be too slow for me.  Around town we had a lot of poker nights some with crap tables. I rarely played the one armed bandits.  The better mob and bookie  joints had everything. Had a lot of bachelor parties there with uniformed Youngstown policemen at the door to keep the riff-raff out. They would cut the pots for a little amount for the happy couple......I've seen them get $10,000+ in one night.

It's all what you like I guess.