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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Why.....

    1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
    2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
    3. We get our starting CBs back.
    4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
    5. Two weeks to prepare.

    How.... on Defense:

    1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
    2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
    3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
    4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
    5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
    6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

    How... on Offense:

    1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
    2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
    3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...
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    @tour2ma said:

    Why.....

    1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
    2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
    3. We get our starting CBs back.
    4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
    5. Two weeks to prepare.

    How.... on Defense:

    1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
    2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
    3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
    4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
    5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
    6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

    How... on Offense:

    1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
    2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
    3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...

    that is GREAT stuff. I do have a question:

    It won't happen often, but Brady loved to throw to Gronk back in the day, when the defense least expected it, for important first downs, especially.

        Their top two TE's are out of the game - leaving the old veteran Ben Watson...and Eric Tomlinson, another big TE. What would you do, to keep an eye on the TE position? He has thrown little to the TE's so far....

    and that could be a major surprise if the Browns don't watch for it. Just sayin...

    and I agree with you on Sanu - he and Brady are really getting on the same page. Brady says he bring the "juice" and Sanu says he also brings the "squeeze".

    He won't be happy with Greedy covering him.

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      ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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      I agree about inside pressure.  I mentioned on another board I would put Garrett insdie fairly often.  He most certainly would garner the attention of the center, biving a backer of safety a pretty good  chance up through the A.  The other DT would simply have to hit hard on the guard outside shoulder to keep him off the blitzer.

      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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        My biggest concern for this game is Garrett’s health.

        From what I hear he’s been limited in practice this week with a bad knee.

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          I think that with our problems against the rush and the frame and phisicality (or lack thereof) of our secondary, they will try to run the ball a lot. 

          Do the Pats prefer running inside zone or outside zone? Nevertheless D needs to set edge and gap discipline in the line. New England does not win because they have great players, they win as a team. We need no heroes, each one has to keep their assignment. 

          Another key point for the game will be special teams. They have some blocked punts and I hope they don't get another one this Sunday. Belichick almost always wins this battle, so a tie on that department would be nice. 

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            And for once, Freddie gives Baker a checkdown option on every play..

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            @unsympathetic said:

            And for once, Freddie gives Baker a checkdown option on every play..

            Often he’s had a checkdown, just doesn’t use them. Hopefully that improves. 

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              Pats D is pretty damn good.  I hope we bring our A game.

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                This isn't why we are going to beat the Patriots, but I didn't know where else to post it...

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sanu-brady-offered-his-iconic-no-12-after-trade-to-patriots/ar-AAJlxzG?ocid=spartandhp

                Says that Brady offered Sanu #12 if he wanted it... I know another WR on the Patriots roster that has #12 tattooed on his back. Wonder if he offered it to Josh? 

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                  I agree about inside pressure.  I mentioned on another board I would put Garrett insdie fairly often.  He most certainly would garner the attention of the center, biving a backer of safety a pretty good  chance up through the A.  The other DT would simply have to hit hard on the guard outside shoulder to keep him off the blitzer.

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                  @ballpeen said:

                  I agree about inside pressure. 

                  THAT is how you beat Tom Brady!

                  He'll give up on the play early if you come straight at him.  He knows that he can't outrun anyone to either side.  He'll give himself up or throw it away......and he has a tendency to get intentional grounding penalties for not getting out of the pocket.

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                  The Patriots pass to set up the run.  They use the pass AS the run.  And they weave the run into the mix so it's successful.    Which is exactly what WE should do.  We should have Landry in the slot and he could be the Wes Welker for us that Edleman is for the Patriots (since Callaway doesn't seem capable)....and put Higgins out there as the #2.  We HAVE the running back that we could weave into the mix so as to be successful at running the ball.  - And ya can't just line up and say you're gonna run the ball down anybody's throat (including the Patriots), because they'll just take that away from you, and put you in 3rd and long (and the Patriots already have 18 int's after only 7 games).

                  The Patriots just kind of Chop You Up.  Edleman rarely catches balls downfield.  He just slices and dices in between the chains.  That's what we should have Landry doing.  That's what got him 114 catches in Miami.  

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                    Yep-this is almost as good as winning the Superbowl back in August. The closer we get to the game, the more fixed the delusional system becomes. Take two Risperidone and call me Monday morning. No charge.?

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                      @tour2ma said:

                      Why.....

                      1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                      2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                      3. We get our starting CBs back.
                      4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                      5. Two weeks to prepare.

                      How.... on Defense:

                      1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                      2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                      3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                      4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                      5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                      6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                      How... on Offense:

                      1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                      2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                      3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...

                      that is GREAT stuff. I do have a question:

                      It won't happen often, but Brady loved to throw to Gronk back in the day, when the defense least expected it, for important first downs, especially.

                          Their top two TE's are out of the game - leaving the old veteran Ben Watson...and Eric Tomlinson, another big TE. What would you do, to keep an eye on the TE position? He has thrown little to the TE's so far....

                      and that could be a major surprise if the Browns don't watch for it. Just sayin...

                      and I agree with you on Sanu - he and Brady are really getting on the same page. Brady says he bring the "juice" and Sanu says he also brings the "squeeze".

                      He won't be happy with Greedy covering him.

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      Their top two TE's are out of the game - leaving the old veteran Ben Watson...and Eric Tomlinson, another big TE. What would you do, to keep an eye on the TE position? He has thrown little to the TE's so far....

                      Wilson draws the bigger TE... while Taylor gets the more athletic.

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                        This isn't why we are going to beat the Patriots, but I didn't know where else to post it...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sanu-brady-offered-his-iconic-no-12-after-trade-to-patriots/ar-AAJlxzG?ocid=spartandhp

                        Says that Brady offered Sanu #12 if he wanted it... I know another WR on the Patriots roster that has #12 tattooed on his back. Wonder if he offered it to Josh? 

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                        hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                        @poeticg said:

                        This isn't why we are going to beat the Patriots, but I didn't know where else to post it...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sanu-brady-offered-his-iconic-no-12-after-trade-to-patriots/ar-AAJlxzG?ocid=spartandhp

                        Says that Brady offered Sanu #12 if he wanted it... I know another WR on the Patriots roster that has #12 tattooed on his back. Wonder if he offered it to Josh? 

                        If you saw the  latest  injury report, Josh is about  done in the  NFL, expected to  be  waived  off of IR. Why they traded  for  Sanu.

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                          @ballpeen said:

                          I agree about inside pressure. 

                          THAT is how you beat Tom Brady!

                          He'll give up on the play early if you come straight at him.  He knows that he can't outrun anyone to either side.  He'll give himself up or throw it away......and he has a tendency to get intentional grounding penalties for not getting out of the pocket.

                          --------

                          The Patriots pass to set up the run.  They use the pass AS the run.  And they weave the run into the mix so it's successful.    Which is exactly what WE should do.  We should have Landry in the slot and he could be the Wes Welker for us that Edleman is for the Patriots (since Callaway doesn't seem capable)....and put Higgins out there as the #2.  We HAVE the running back that we could weave into the mix so as to be successful at running the ball.  - And ya can't just line up and say you're gonna run the ball down anybody's throat (including the Patriots), because they'll just take that away from you, and put you in 3rd and long (and the Patriots already have 18 int's after only 7 games).

                          The Patriots just kind of Chop You Up.  Edleman rarely catches balls downfield.  He just slices and dices in between the chains.  That's what we should have Landry doing.  That's what got him 114 catches in Miami.  

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                          hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                          @orion said:

                          THAT is how you beat Tom Brady!

                          He'll give up on the play early if you come straight at him.  He knows that he can't outrun anyone to either side.  He'll give himself up or throw it away......and he has a tendency to get intentional grounding penalties for not getting out of the pocket.

                          --------

                          The Patriots pass to set up the run.  They use the pass AS the run.  And they weave the run into the mix so it's successful.    Which is exactly what WE should do.  We should have Landry in the slot and he could be the Wes Welker for us that Edleman is for the Patriots (since Callaway doesn't seem capable)....and put Higgins out there as the #2.  We HAVE the running back that we could weave into the mix so as to be successful at running the ball.  - And ya can't just line up and say you're gonna run the ball down anybody's throat (including the Patriots), because they'll just take that away from you, and put you in 3rd and long (and the Patriots already have 18 int's after only 7 games).

                          The Patriots just kind of Chop You Up.  Edleman rarely catches balls downfield.  He just slices and dices in between the chains.  That's what we should have Landry doing.  That's what got him 114 catches in Miami.  

                          Ward will have to  play Edelman  tight. Brady was  living on quick  outside passes and flanker screens. 

                          The Pat's are using a  lot of cover  zero and 6-7 in the box, Chubb gets through it, and he could break o e.

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                            @poeticg said:

                            This isn't why we are going to beat the Patriots, but I didn't know where else to post it...

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sanu-brady-offered-his-iconic-no-12-after-trade-to-patriots/ar-AAJlxzG?ocid=spartandhp

                            Says that Brady offered Sanu #12 if he wanted it... I know another WR on the Patriots roster that has #12 tattooed on his back. Wonder if he offered it to Josh? 

                            If you saw the  latest  injury report, Josh is about  done in the  NFL, expected to  be  waived  off of IR. Why they traded  for  Sanu.

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                            gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                            @hoorta said:

                            Josh is about  done in the  NFL, expected to  be  waived  off of IR. Why they traded  for  Sanu.

                            I'd be betting on Belicheck to trade Josh for something before deadline, if not Monday...Bill will control where Josh goes..book it 

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                              Why.....

                              1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                              2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                              3. We get our starting CBs back.
                              4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                              5. Two weeks to prepare.

                              How.... on Defense:

                              1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                              2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                              3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                              4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                              5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                              6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                              How... on Offense:

                              1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                              2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                              3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...
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                              @tour2ma said:

                              3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...

                              One major point here... minimal ZBS... maximum power scheme.

                              Pats front seven is too skilled as a unit to effectively zone block, but they can be beaten one on one. Exception is Danny, but a dbl team can turn him and then the OG can release to an LB.

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                                @hoorta said:

                                Josh is about  done in the  NFL, expected to  be  waived  off of IR. Why they traded  for  Sanu.

                                I'd be betting on Belicheck to trade Josh for something before deadline, if not Monday...Bill will control where Josh goes..book it 

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                                hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                @gumby73 said:

                                I'd be betting on Belicheck to trade Josh for something before deadline, if not Monday...Bill will control where Josh goes..book it 

                                I honestly think  Bill  won't care where Josh goes. LOL,"diminishing  skills".

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                                  @gumby73 said:

                                  I'd be betting on Belicheck to trade Josh for something before deadline, if not Monday...Bill will control where Josh goes..book it 

                                  I honestly think  Bill  won't care where Josh goes. LOL,"diminishing  skills".

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                                  @hoorta said:

                                  I honestly think  Bill  won't care where Josh goes. LOL,"diminishing  skills".

                                  Gordon will be released as soon as he comes off IR...or whatever injury list he is on.

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                                    @hoorta said:

                                    I honestly think  Bill  won't care where Josh goes. LOL,"diminishing  skills".

                                    Gordon will be released as soon as he comes off IR...or whatever injury list he is on.

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    Gordon will be released as soon as he comes off IR...or whatever injury list he is on.

                                    rumor has it gordon is planning on linking up with Johnny Manziel to start an E! channel reality show.

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      Gordon will be released as soon as he comes off IR...or whatever injury list he is on.

                                      rumor has it gordon is planning on linking up with Johnny Manziel to start an E! channel reality show.

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                                      @stillmotion said:

                                      rumor has it gordon is planning on linking up with Johnny Manziel to start an E! channel reality show.

                                      I heard through the grapevine that Johnny’s legs aren’t what they used to be...could be just a rumor.

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                                        Hell yeah! Let's go get our boy! OBJ, Gordon, Landry, Higgins and Calloway. Best WR group in the NFL right there!!!!

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                                          @gumby73 said:

                                          I'd be betting on Belicheck to trade Josh for something before deadline, if not Monday...Bill will control where Josh goes..book it 

                                          I honestly think  Bill  won't care where Josh goes. LOL,"diminishing  skills".

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                                          @hoorta said:

                                          I honestly think  Bill  won't care where Josh goes. LOL,"diminishing  skills".

                                          it dang sure won't be the Bills 🙂 that could use 2. Along with the Colts nor KC nor Texans...Oakland I would hate to see..Could you image Gordon in Vegas? lol...?

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