The nfl did it again
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Relax Les Nessman...there is no conspiracy.
So we’re i live it’s mostly beagle fans and shitsburgh fans and they see it. Monday’s have became man they screwed they browns this week again. They all see it they all agree that there is something to it. Bad breads bad. There young kids and don’t know how to over come this. You say something enough time over time and it becomes true.
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Look at me! Look at me! I'm an integral part of a 2-6 team! Look at me!!!!
Yea, the NFL is the one making the team a joke.
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Look at me! Look at me! I'm an integral part of a 2-6 team! Look at me!!!!
Yea, the NFL is the one making the team a joke.
Look at me! Look at me! I'm an integral part of a 2-6 team! Look at me!!!!
Yea, the NFL is the one making the team a joke.
Gotta admit though, the clown shoes are a pretty good fit for the browns this year.
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Look at me! Look at me! I'm an integral part of a 2-6 team! Look at me!!!!
Yea, the NFL is the one making the team a joke.
Look at me! Look at me! I'm an integral part of a 2-6 team! Look at me!!!!
Yea, the NFL is the one making the team a joke.
I think OBJ wanted Baker to see him...
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Look at me! Look at me! I'm an integral part of a 2-6 team! Look at me!!!!
Yea, the NFL is the one making the team a joke.
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I love comic relief threads after a painful loss.
Me too! Especially 1 day after drinking depressants while watching the depressants.
I know I know I'm such a bad fan wanting more than 0 playoff wins since the 94 season... This is the equivalent of someone watching the 1st Rocky Movie 16 times a year from 1977 through 2002 thinking there might be a different outcome. I never saw the different outcome btw.
Gipper's cell phone lost and found - Can I help you? Can I help you?
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With all the bullshit calls, the clear reviews not being correct, the constant badgering of Baker. It’s finally broke the team just what the nfl wanted. It’s clear very clear there is a all out war being waged against the browns. No energy on the team now it’s not fun now just what the nfl wanted. Here comes another coaching change. Just what the nfl wanted the punching bag of the nfl it started game one right where they left off last year. Fuck the nfl, fuck Rodger.
With all the bullshit calls, the clear reviews not being correct, the constant badgering of Baker. It’s finally broke the team just what the nfl wanted. It’s clear very clear there is a all out war being waged against the browns. No energy on the team now it’s not fun now just what the nfl wanted. Here comes another coaching change. Just what the nfl wanted the punching bag of the nfl it started game one right where they left off last year. Fuck the nfl, fuck Rodger.
The refs are horrendous across the board my dude, it ain't just in Browns games. Frankly is an indictment on the league and hopefully will lead to a push where full time refs will be employed like what you see with other sports.
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With all the bullshit calls, the clear reviews not being correct, the constant badgering of Baker. It’s finally broke the team just what the nfl wanted. It’s clear very clear there is a all out war being waged against the browns. No energy on the team now it’s not fun now just what the nfl wanted. Here comes another coaching change. Just what the nfl wanted the punching bag of the nfl it started game one right where they left off last year. Fuck the nfl, fuck Rodger.
The refs are horrendous across the board my dude, it ain't just in Browns games. Frankly is an indictment on the league and hopefully will lead to a push where full time refs will be employed like what you see with other sports.
The refs are horrendous across the board my dude, it ain't just in Browns games. Frankly is an indictment on the league and hopefully will lead to a push where full time refs will be employed like what you see with other sports.
Would making them full time really help?
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Would making them full time really help?
Refs don't seem to be a problem in the sports where the refs are full time. The nba or the nhl for example. You don't hear about game changing calls in either sport. Now admittedly the sports are officiated different and the NFL is a game of inches. However you are always going to be better at something when you invest all your work hours vs part time work hours. You stay on your game. The refs this year have been a travesty.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
With all the bullshit calls, the clear reviews not being correct, the constant badgering of Baker. It’s finally broke the team just what the nfl wanted. It’s clear very clear there is a all out war being waged against the browns. No energy on the team now it’s not fun now just what the nfl wanted. Here comes another coaching change. Just what the nfl wanted the punching bag of the nfl it started game one right where they left off last year. Fuck the nfl, fuck Rodger.
With all the bullshit calls, the clear reviews not being correct, the constant badgering of Baker. It’s finally broke the team just what the nfl wanted. It’s clear very clear there is a all out war being waged against the browns. No energy on the team now it’s not fun now just what the nfl wanted. Here comes another coaching change. Just what the nfl wanted the punching bag of the nfl it started game one right where they left off last year. Fuck the nfl, fuck Rodger.
The refs, the NFL, fate, God, Devil, Muslims, anyone but the Devas, an inept front office, a high school coach, a brand building QB, shaves 3 times before the game?, two millionaires paid too wear illegal cleats, no problem. Both should fined and benched. Paul Brown or Lombardi would not tolerate this "behavior". Let Baker go build his brand somewhere else and take the Devas with him. I just want competitive football. For years the GS Warriors stunk with a bad owner but Don Nelson could work miracles with a few NBA players and D-leagers. Always fun to watch and root for. This group you have here is not creating joy.
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Would making them full time really help?
Refs don't seem to be a problem in the sports where the refs are full time. The nba or the nhl for example. You don't hear about game changing calls in either sport. Now admittedly the sports are officiated different and the NFL is a game of inches. However you are always going to be better at something when you invest all your work hours vs part time work hours. You stay on your game. The refs this year have been a travesty.
Refs don't seem to be a problem in the sports where the refs are full time. The nba or the nhl for example. You don't hear about game changing calls in either sport. Now admittedly the sports are officiated different and the NFL is a game of inches. However you are always going to be better at something when you invest all your work hours vs part time work hours. You stay on your game. The refs this year have been a travesty.
I'll vouch the NFL owners should stop being cheapies and go to full time paid officials. I looked it up, there's 122 NFL refs. NBA ref salaries are between $155,000 and $550,000 bucks for a lot more games and a longer season counting playoffs. If you were paying NFL refs an average of $250,000- that works out to around $30 million. About $1 million per owner. Relative pocket change. They're probably already paying at least 1\2 that for the part timers. I'd bet a lot of the top NFL refs would be more than willing to quit their day jobs for a half million a year.
Yeah, it's not just the Browns who are getting shafted. Freddie thought (as did about every Browns fan) Baker made it on 4th and a yard. a pretty blatant face mask got missed. If it wasn't for bad luck, the Browns seemingly have no luck at all this year. I could tolerate losing to the top teams, but getting beat by an inferior Broncos team was a new low. Hurt almost as bad as the Byner fumble, as it effectively flushed any chance of Cleveland making the playoffs down the toilet.
BTW- I KNEW Vinateri was going to blow that FG, called it before it happened. Lucky stiffs.
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Refs don't seem to be a problem in the sports where the refs are full time. The nba or the nhl for example. You don't hear about game changing calls in either sport. Now admittedly the sports are officiated different and the NFL is a game of inches. However you are always going to be better at something when you invest all your work hours vs part time work hours. You stay on your game. The refs this year have been a travesty.
I'll vouch the NFL owners should stop being cheapies and go to full time paid officials. I looked it up, there's 122 NFL refs. NBA ref salaries are between $155,000 and $550,000 bucks for a lot more games and a longer season counting playoffs. If you were paying NFL refs an average of $250,000- that works out to around $30 million. About $1 million per owner. Relative pocket change. They're probably already paying at least 1\2 that for the part timers. I'd bet a lot of the top NFL refs would be more than willing to quit their day jobs for a half million a year.
Yeah, it's not just the Browns who are getting shafted. Freddie thought (as did about every Browns fan) Baker made it on 4th and a yard. a pretty blatant face mask got missed. If it wasn't for bad luck, the Browns seemingly have no luck at all this year. I could tolerate losing to the top teams, but getting beat by an inferior Broncos team was a new low. Hurt almost as bad as the Byner fumble, as it effectively flushed any chance of Cleveland making the playoffs down the toilet.
BTW- I KNEW Vinateri was going to blow that FG, called it before it happened. Lucky stiffs.
I'll vouch the NFL owners should stop being cheapies and go to full time paid officials. I looked it up, there's 122 NFL refs. NBA ref salaries are between $155,000 and $550,000 bucks for a lot more games and a longer season counting playoffs. If you were paying NFL refs an average of $250,000- that works out to around $30 million. About $1 million per owner. Relative pocket change. They're probably already paying at least 1\2 that for the part timers. I'd bet a lot of the top NFL refs would be more than willing to quit their day jobs for a half million a year.
Yeah, it's not just the Browns who are getting shafted. Freddie thought (as did about every Browns fan) Baker made it on 4th and a yard. a pretty blatant face mask got missed. If it wasn't for bad luck, the Browns seemingly have no luck at all this year. I could tolerate losing to the top teams, but getting beat by an inferior Broncos team was a new low. Hurt almost as bad as the Byner fumble, as it effectively flushed any chance of Cleveland making the playoffs down the toilet.
BTW- I KNEW Vinateri was going to blow that FG, called it before it happened. Lucky stiffs.
Actually, I think that NFL refs ARE getting paid an average of 250K a year....even as part timers. (at least I think I read that somewhere) So, how is a $250K salary not a full time job.
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I'll vouch the NFL owners should stop being cheapies and go to full time paid officials. I looked it up, there's 122 NFL refs. NBA ref salaries are between $155,000 and $550,000 bucks for a lot more games and a longer season counting playoffs. If you were paying NFL refs an average of $250,000- that works out to around $30 million. About $1 million per owner. Relative pocket change. They're probably already paying at least 1\2 that for the part timers. I'd bet a lot of the top NFL refs would be more than willing to quit their day jobs for a half million a year.
Yeah, it's not just the Browns who are getting shafted. Freddie thought (as did about every Browns fan) Baker made it on 4th and a yard. a pretty blatant face mask got missed. If it wasn't for bad luck, the Browns seemingly have no luck at all this year. I could tolerate losing to the top teams, but getting beat by an inferior Broncos team was a new low. Hurt almost as bad as the Byner fumble, as it effectively flushed any chance of Cleveland making the playoffs down the toilet.
BTW- I KNEW Vinateri was going to blow that FG, called it before it happened. Lucky stiffs.
Actually, I think that NFL refs ARE getting paid an average of 250K a year....even as part timers. (at least I think I read that somewhere) So, how is a $250K salary not a full time job.
Actually, I think that NFL refs ARE getting paid an average of 250K a year....even as part timers. (at least I think I read that somewhere) So, how is a $250K salary not a full time job.
Good question, and I don't know the answer. Even if you doubled that to $500k, that's still pissing in the ocean of cash NFL owners are raking in every year. As I'm never tired of pointing out, AT&T via Directv is paying the NFL $1.5 billion every year just for Sunday Ticket. (my math just told me Direct needs around 4 million people to sign up just to break even- they use it as a loss leader to get new subscribers as a one year come on)
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Refs don't seem to be a problem in the sports where the refs are full time. The nba or the nhl for example. You don't hear about game changing calls in either sport. Now admittedly the sports are officiated different and the NFL is a game of inches. However you are always going to be better at something when you invest all your work hours vs part time work hours. You stay on your game. The refs this year have been a travesty.
I'll vouch the NFL owners should stop being cheapies and go to full time paid officials. I looked it up, there's 122 NFL refs. NBA ref salaries are between $155,000 and $550,000 bucks for a lot more games and a longer season counting playoffs. If you were paying NFL refs an average of $250,000- that works out to around $30 million. About $1 million per owner. Relative pocket change. They're probably already paying at least 1\2 that for the part timers. I'd bet a lot of the top NFL refs would be more than willing to quit their day jobs for a half million a year.
Yeah, it's not just the Browns who are getting shafted. Freddie thought (as did about every Browns fan) Baker made it on 4th and a yard. a pretty blatant face mask got missed. If it wasn't for bad luck, the Browns seemingly have no luck at all this year. I could tolerate losing to the top teams, but getting beat by an inferior Broncos team was a new low. Hurt almost as bad as the Byner fumble, as it effectively flushed any chance of Cleveland making the playoffs down the toilet.
BTW- I KNEW Vinateri was going to blow that FG, called it before it happened. Lucky stiffs.
I'll vouch the NFL owners should stop being cheapies and go to full time paid officials. I looked it up, there's 122 NFL refs. NBA ref salaries are between $155,000 and $550,000 bucks for a lot more games and a longer season counting playoffs. If you were paying NFL refs an average of $250,000- that works out to around $30 million. About $1 million per owner. Relative pocket change. They're probably already paying at least 1\2 that for the part timers. I'd bet a lot of the top NFL refs would be more than willing to quit their day jobs for a half million a year.
Yeah, it's not just the Browns who are getting shafted. Freddie thought (as did about every Browns fan) Baker made it on 4th and a yard. a pretty blatant face mask got missed. If it wasn't for bad luck, the Browns seemingly have no luck at all this year. I could tolerate losing to the top teams, but getting beat by an inferior Broncos team was a new low. Hurt almost as bad as the Byner fumble, as it effectively flushed any chance of Cleveland making the playoffs down the toilet.
BTW- I KNEW Vinateri was going to blow that FG, called it before it happened. Lucky stiffs.
Vinny should have never had the chance to kick for the lead. The horrendous p.i. Call put us in thst position. I 1000% agree on the refs.
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Actually, I think that NFL refs ARE getting paid an average of 250K a year....even as part timers. (at least I think I read that somewhere) So, how is a $250K salary not a full time job.
Good question, and I don't know the answer. Even if you doubled that to $500k, that's still pissing in the ocean of cash NFL owners are raking in every year. As I'm never tired of pointing out, AT&T via Directv is paying the NFL $1.5 billion every year just for Sunday Ticket. (my math just told me Direct needs around 4 million people to sign up just to break even- they use it as a loss leader to get new subscribers as a one year come on)
Good question, and I don't know the answer. Even if you doubled that to $500k, that's still pissing in the ocean of cash NFL owners are raking in every year. As I'm never tired of pointing out, AT&T via Directv is paying the NFL $1.5 billion every year just for Sunday Ticket. (my math just told me Direct needs around 4 million people to sign up just to break even- they use it as a loss leader to get new subscribers as a one year come on)
They aren't doing it full time is how it's not full time. It is absolutely absurd to find out refs are making that much to be terrible at their job.
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Do you guys really think the Brown's problems are the refs? Wow.
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Do you guys really think the Brown's problems are the refs? Wow.
I don't believe that anyone is saying that. The refs have obviously not given the Browns
fair officiating. No calls - benefit the team they play against. Calls that are strange and controversial go
against the Browns.
Like - Garrett got two bad penalties for landing on the qb. So, the next time Baker got landed on , full weight? NO CALL.
Patriots wr shoves Browns defender in the facemask, spins, and catches the ball on a very important down. NO CALL.
Blatant facemask the last game - no call. The last game - Baker clearly had forward progress, got shoved back, and the ref ran over and marked it short of forward progress. Was it last year? or this year- Garrett clearly was tackled from behind by the LT... NO CALL.
It keeps happening. And yes, it has happened to other teams. But nearly NEVER to the Patriots. Not very often to the ratbuzzards. or squealers. Generally, if the Patriots or squealers desperately need a first down, they simply throw the ball, and somehow, usually, they get a strange "pass interference". It's bad, they raise hell if they DON"T get the PI, even when it's so obvious there was none even a crooked ref couldn't call it.
I've never seen it worse than this year, and it was really bad last year. It seems that the recurrent super bowl teams get the benefit of non-calls and calls, because they make the big money for the NFL. and, maybe a group of refs would love to have some of that big money? It's bs to say that all the crazy bad refereeing is just because of angles etc. That Patriot wr shove to the facemask was one of the most blatant screwups possible. The ball was going right there.
Yes, the oline is failing - but the refereeing is affected the players. They are getting pizzed.
Which, their fault - leads to them making more mistakes than otherwise, I think.
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How about a Den O-lineman telling the ref his QB got hit in the face. The teams were already off the field for a punt. And then the ref throws the flag
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How about a Den O-lineman telling the ref his QB got hit in the face. The teams were already off the field for a punt. And then the ref throws the flag
How about a Den O-lineman telling the ref his QB got hit in the face. The teams were already off the field for a punt. And then the ref throws the flag
Did the Denver QB get hit in the face?
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