WEEK 13 - BROWNS and NFL injury reports and news/ ONE MAN'S OPINION on CLE now a 2 point favorite?

The Gipper

A couple of things...

On another thread, someone gave the line as Pittsburgh being favored by 1.5 points. So WTF is up with that?

Also...are you saying that they are saying that Vernon will be out for this upcoming game vs. the Steelers?

If so.....can anyone tell us WTF is wrong with that guy? I mean, did he barf up a lung or what? (courtesy of Ferris Buehler)

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

A couple of things...

On another thread, someone gave the line as Pittsburgh being favored by 1.5 points. So WTF is up with that?

If you look at the first line that is the opening line and Pittsburgh was a 3 point favorite things changed after Sunday's game.

The second line is the consensus or basically an average of several sportsbooks where Cleveland is a 1 point favorite.

Look closer and you'll see here where the line varies from pick (even) to CLE -2.

Fun with numbers.

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

If you look at the first line that is the opening line and Pittsburgh was a 3 point favorite things changed after Sunday's game.

The second line is the consensus or basically an average of several sportsbooks where Cleveland is a 1 point favorite.

Look closer and you'll see here where the line varies from pick (even) to CLE -2.

Fun with numbers.

What you are saying is that you have listed several sports books, all of whom show different lines for the game.

SdBacker80

@the-gipper said:

A couple of things...

On another thread, someone gave the line as Pittsburgh being favored by 1.5 points. So WTF is up with that?

Also...are you saying that they are saying that Vernon will be out for this upcoming game vs. the Steelers?

If so.....can anyone tell us WTF is wrong with that guy? I mean, did he barf up a lung or what? (courtesy of Ferris Buehler)

He was “very close” last Monday. Whatever that means.

it is knee thing so you never know.

JuJu and Artie Burns potentially being out would be huge for us

mjp28

MONDAY AFTERNOON REPORT, a little update.

Cleveland Browns

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Olivier Vernon	DE	Nov 25	Out	Coach Freddie Kitchens called Vernon (knee) day-to-day on Monday, Scott Petrak of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram reports.
Eric Murray	S	Nov 25	Out

Pittsburgh Steelers

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
James Conner	RB	Nov 25	Out	Conner (shoulder) -- who sat out Week 12 action -- remains iffy for this Sunday's game against the Browns, Dale Lolley of DKPittsburghSports.com reports.
JuJu Smith-Schuster	WR	Nov 25	Out	The Steelers are hopeful that Smith-Schuster (concussion/knee) will be available for Sunday's game against the Browns, Dale Lolley of DKPittsburghSports.com reports.
Artie Burns	CB	Nov 25	Out

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

MONDAY AFTERNOON REPORT, a little update.

Cleveland Browns

NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
Olivier Vernon DE Nov 25 Out Coach Freddie Kitchens called Vernon (knee) day-to-day on Monday, Scott Petrak of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram reports.
Eric Murray S Nov 25
Out

Pittsburgh Steelers

NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
James Conner RB Nov 25 Out Conner (shoulder) -- who sat out Week 12 action -- remains iffy for this Sunday's game against the Browns, Dale Lolley of DKPittsburghSports.com reports.
JuJu Smith-Schuster WR Nov 25 Out The Steelers are hopeful that Smith-Schuster (concussion/knee) will be available for Sunday's game against the Browns, Dale Lolley of DKPittsburghSports.com reports.
Artie Burns CB Nov 25 Out

So....Njoku fully on board to play?

Or have they even activated him?

Edit: Per the Browns roster on their website, he is still on the "reserve, designated to return" list.

Also...they have not taken Ogunobi off the suspended list.

jcam222

I get the feeling they knew that the Dolphins game should be one where Olivier could get another week of rest.

gumby73

@the-gipper said:

So....Njoku fully on board to play?

Or have they even activated him?

Edit: Per the Browns roster on their website, he is still on the "reserve, designated to return" list.

Also...they have not taken Ogunobi off the suspended list.

Rule 1) after a gameday..Ignore all injury reports (most are from prior week & same) .. Cause no team has to report them till Wednesday's/Thursday's/Friday's.. Monday's players check in with their boo-boo needs & major injuries (following mri or X-rays) can be reported but not official till listed on report Wednesday

Rule 2) Ogun nor any player can practice till league lifts suspension..Teams may then need to release any replacement added (DT Brandin Bryant brought up from PS last week)..

Njoku-- Teams trying to add players from IR or FA's try to do this before close of NFL business day Friday's..I've also seen PS guys (RB Elijah McQuire) added on a Saturday after final practice & play that Sunday.. Njoku can practice up to 3 weeks from 11-20-19 to determine his IR status..deadline date 12-11-19

mjp28

Look who is creeping up as a good playoff bet.

ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP (1/19/20)

Team	Odds
New England Patriots	21/20 <--- almost 1/1 even money
Baltimore Ravens *	*2/1 hmmmm
Kansas City Chiefs	9/2 <--- almost 5/1
Houston Texans	15/1
Oakland Raiders	30/1
Buffalo Bills	40/1
Cleveland Browns	50/1
Indianapolis Colts	50/1
Pittsburgh Steelers	50/1
Tennessee Titans	50/1
Jacksonville Jaguars	250/1
Los Angeles Chargers	250/1
New York Jets	500/1
Denver Broncos	5000/1

mjp28

TUESDAY 11 AM REPORT, a quick look. Injuries are a big part of football especially this time of year.

Cleveland Browns

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Olivier Vernon	DE	Nov 26	Questionable
Eric Murray	S	Nov 26	Questionable

Pittsburgh Steelers

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS
Artie Burns	CB	Nov 26	Questionable
JuJu Smith-Schuster	WR	Nov 26	Questionable
James Conner	RB	Nov 26	Questionable

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

TUESDAY 11 AM REPORT, a quick look. Injuries are a big part of football especially this time of year.

Cleveland Browns

NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
Olivier Vernon DE Nov 26 Questionable
Eric Murray S Nov 26 Questionable

Pittsburgh Steelers

NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
Artie Burns CB Nov 26 Questionable
JuJu Smith-Schuster WR Nov 26 Questionable
James Conner RB Nov 26 Questionable

Key will be if Ju-ju and Conner can play. If they don't the Browns chances of winning go up dramatically.

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON REPORT, now the OT is questionable?

Cleveland Browns

NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
Greg Robinson OT Nov 27 Questionable
Olivier Vernon DE Nov 26 Questionable
Eric Murray S Nov 26 Questionable

Concussion protocol.

mjp28

WEDNESDAY LATE PM REPORT, a few more names.

Cleveland Browns

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Olivier Vernon	DE	Nov 27	Questionable	Vernon (knee) was a limited participant in Wednesday's practice, Andrew Gribble of the Browns' official site reports.
Odell Beckham Jr.	WR	Nov 27	Questionable	Beckham (groin) was limited at Wednesday's practice, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
Joe Schobert	LB	Nov 27	Questionable
Eric Murray	S	Nov 27	Questionable	Murray (knee) has yet to return to practice since undergoing surgery Nov. 1, Scott Petrak of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram reports.
Greg Robinson	OT	Nov 27	Questionable	Robinson was placed on concussion protocol Wednesday, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.

Orion

@hoorta said:

Concussion protocol.

We have some talented skill position players....but we need decent OLine play in order to utilize them. We need all hands on deck.

Robinson may not be all that great, but they keep going back to him after trying somebody else so he's probably the best we've got.

SdBacker80

@hoorta said:

Key will be if Ju-ju and Conner can play. If they don't the Browns chances of winning go up dramatically.

Conner looked awful when he tried to play a few weeks ago. I can’t imagine him getting better even if he suits up.

mjp28

In the FYI department:

Cleveland at Pittsburgh – The Browns beat the Steelers, 21-7, in Week 11. The Steelers are 7-1-1 SU, 4-5 ATS during the past nine meetings versus the Browns.

San Francisco at Baltimore – The 49ers beat the Ravens, 25-20, at home in 2015.

New York Jets at Cincinnati – The Bengals squeaked past the Jets, 23-22, on the road in 2016.

mjp28

And BTW CLEVELAND is an early 10.5 point favorite at home vs Cincinnati next week. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas

Baltimore a 6.5 point favorite at Buffalo -and-. Pittsburgh a 1.5 point underdog at woeful Arizona all next week.

mjp28

@mjp28 said:

And BTW CLEVELAND is an early 10.5 point favorite at home vs Cincinnati next week. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas

Baltimore a 6.5 point favorite at Buffalo -and-. Pittsburgh a 1.5 point underdog at woeful Arizona all next week.

And Buffalo just knocked off the Cowboys in Dallas...... good luck next week!

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

And Buffalo just knocked off the Cowboys in Dallas...... good luck next week!

The Bills winning doesn't help the Browns playoff chances at all. You can just about pencil them in as the #5 seed. So much for "America's Team". They suck..... Mixed emotions that the Bills won, but I'm sure glad the Cowboys lost.

jiggins7919

My heart desperately wants to predict a winner but my brain isn't having it. Brain keeps saying we're in deep shit and this game, this exact game at Pittsburgh, with the season on the line, with a chance for the sweep, and everything else this game means to our fans and players...is going to be a disaster.

I THINK this is my brain's way of not knowing what to do when we have the better team. When WE'RE the team who won 3 in a row. When WE won the previous game and shut them the freak down.

A friend of mine told me you never bet with your heart, and I'm certain that's sound advice, but this week my brain can kiss my ass and I FULLY expect a dominating performance that will leave the Steelers' fans crying on the tits of their mothers. Send these assholes HOME for the post season.