Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen
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It did take Josh Allen, my favorite qb out of that draft, some time to develop. This year, he really does look like the real deal.
Happened to turn to a Bills fan when the Browns played them at home, at the game with Canton Mike, and asked him about Allen. He said he was a hero to fans, but sometimes, he threw a long ball and they'd lament his lack of accuracy, but he had improved this year.
Looking back, at the qb's out of that draft:
I LOVE that we drafted Baker Mayfield. And Thank God we didn't draft Darnold or Jackson (although the latter's incredible scrambling is working for them).
Then, there's ...oh wait. Did I mention that Josh Allen, the Bill's qb ...is doing pretty great - they've won 9 games, the last two being ...
they beat Denver 20-3, and beat Dallas today, 26-15. They will have a tough time - they play the ratbuzzards next, then the steelers, then the patriots....Josh Allen looks like the real deal.
THEN... there's Josh Rosen, who I absolutely had NO USE FOR at all. A lot of guys bashed Allen as garbage, and raised Josh Rosen as their CHOSEN. "best pocket passer - next great NFL qb" yada yada bullhockey.
Truth is, the Cardinals had had quite enough with Rosen's serious weaknesses, that didn't have to do with "pocket passer".
I made it no secret way too often, that Rosen was not the qb that was going to be a star, because of the all too often WRONGO idea that "best pocket passer" meant Josh Allen was crap.
I picked Josh Allen.
So, about Josh "hosin" Rosen. No leadership, didn't really love the game, all handed to him, a rich self-absorbed PUNK.
The Cardinals dumped his worthless arse, trading him to the dolphins, right after selecting Kyler Murray, for a second round pick. and who is now starting for Miami? The old guy - Ryan Fitzpatrick. Who was drafted in the seventh round. So, to those who were upset and insisted that Rosen being a "Tom Brady" ...and Josh Allen being "garbage". Guess who got it right. Rosen displays profound suckage to this very day.
Why, want to know who the draftek mock draft has ...for Miami's pick in 2020?
https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round-1.asp
Justin HerbertOregonQBThey apparently have seen enough of punk Rosen as well.Say, Did I mention that Josh Allen has the Bills looking good, with nine games won already?Oh, ok.**********************************************************Furthermore, an interesting read:"The eye test will tell you Murray is having a superior season than Rosen did last year. Just how much better?
Murray has 393 passing attempts this season through 11 games. Rosen had 393 passing attempts all last season, in 14 games and 13 starts."
"So, how much better has Murray been?
- He has completed 37 more passes than Rosen did (254 to 217).
- Naturally, his completion percentage is better (64.6 to 55.2).
- He has 425 more passing yards (2,703 to 2,278).
- He has more touchdown passes (14 to 11).
- He has far fewer interceptions (5 to Rosen's 14).
- He has a much higher yards per attempt (6.9 to 5.8).
- His passer rating is more than 24 points higher (91.2 to 66.7).
That doesn't even factor in the running ability. Rosen had 138 rushing yards. Murray has 418 so far and has scored three touchdowns on the ground."
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OK, Allen is playing decent, and Rosen is riding the bench. And I sure didn't want Rosen either. The Bills are winning on the strength of their defense.
I would dearly love to see the National Media piling on the Cowboys and Jerrah after that pathetic showing Thanksgiving evening...
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The real reason calfox hated Josh Rosen is because Rosen made his hatred of calfox's orange god Trump well-known.
If you read cal's idiotic ramblings on the Political Board, you'll understand.
I'm thankful the Browns didn't take Rosen or Allen.
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OK, Allen is playing decent, and Rosen is riding the bench. And I sure didn't want Rosen either. The Bills are winning on the strength of their defense.
I would dearly love to see the National Media piling on the Cowboys and Jerrah after that pathetic showing Thanksgiving evening...
OK, Allen is playing decent, and Rosen is riding the bench. And I sure didn't want Rosen either. The Bills are winning on the strength of their defense.
I would dearly love to see the National Media piling on the Cowboys and Jerrah after that pathetic showing Thanksgiving evening...
https://www.theblaze.com/buffalo-bills-real-americas-team
Why everyone should root for the Buffalo Bills this Thanksgiving, the real ‘America’s Team’
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Allen likely benefitted from sticking with the same team for his less than 2 year career so far. I have no clue what the plan for Rosen is, if any.
I can’t get too fired up comparing non-Browns QBs so l’ll let those who do carry on with this debate.
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Allen likely benefitted from sticking with the same team for his less than 2 year career so far. I have no clue what the plan for Rosen is, if any.
I can’t get too fired up comparing non-Browns QBs so l’ll let those who do carry on with this debate.
Allen likely benefitted from sticking with the same team for his less than 2 year career so far. I have no clue what the plan for Rosen is, if any.
I can’t get too fired up comparing non-Browns QBs so l’ll let those who do carry on with this debate.
Multiple coaches, offenses, systems....sure fire way to screw up a QB. We outta know!
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Allen likely benefitted from sticking with the same team for his less than 2 year career so far. I have no clue what the plan for Rosen is, if any.
I can’t get too fired up comparing non-Browns QBs so l’ll let those who do carry on with this debate.
Multiple coaches, offenses, systems....sure fire way to screw up a QB. We outta know!
Multiple coaches, offenses, systems....sure fire way to screw up a QB. We outta know!
We designed, perfected and patented that approach.
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Allen? First... have to laugh at any criticism for Jackson's "Scrambling" in a setup to lauding a big QB who is still known more for his running. As for his passing... I do have to admit the Allen is now able to hit the broad side of a barn on occasion, but he still lacks touch. He arrived in BUF to find the remnants of a Top 5 D and the Bills added Offensive piece after piece. And then there's the above mentioned "stability".
Always risky to put a team record up as an example of a QB's talent. Besides the supporting cast mentioned above there's a little matter of something I like to call "the opposition". Season to date in the Bills' 9-3 record are victories over exactly 2 teams with a winning record... two (DAL 6-5 at the time and TN 6-5)... offset by losses to 2 teams with losing records... two (us and PHI). The other 7 wins came against: NYJ, NYG, CIN, MIA, WSH, MIA and DNV.
That's looking back...
Here's looking ahead... next three games: BLT, @ PTG, @ NE.
Bottom line: Allen has developed some competency at the NFL level and may develop further, but he isn't franchise grade yet.
Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
Looked for any expressions of negative sentiment upon his trade from AZ and found this:
Mark Dalton @CardsMarkD Thank you & best of luck in Miami to
@josh3rosen. So much respect for the professionalism, character & toughness he demonstrated throughout his time here.What an asshole... lol...
Bottom Line: Rosen is essentially still in the NFL starting gate, but the promise he showed at UCLA is still there and in year 2 of a potential 5-year contract, he's still cheap enough to see other, and hopefully better, opportunities.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Allen? First... have to laugh at any criticism for Jackson's "Scrambling" in a setup to lauding a big QB who is still known more for his running. As for his passing... I do have to admit the Allen is now able to hit the broad side of a barn on occasion, but he still lacks touch. He arrived in BUF to find the remnants of a Top 5 D and the Bills added Offensive piece after piece. And then there's the above mentioned "stability".
Always risky to put a team record up as an example of a QB's talent. Besides the supporting cast mentioned above there's a little matter of something I like to call "the opposition". Season to date in the Bills' 9-3 record are victories over exactly 2 teams with a winning record... two (DAL 6-5 at the time and TN 6-5)... offset by losses to 2 teams with losing records... two (us and PHI). The other 7 wins came against: NYJ, NYG, CIN, MIA, WSH, MIA and DNV.
That's looking back...
Here's looking ahead... next three games: BLT, @ PTG, @ NE.
Bottom line: Allen has developed some competency at the NFL level and may develop further, but he isn't franchise grade yet.
Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
Looked for any expressions of negative sentiment upon his trade from AZ and found this:
Mark Dalton @CardsMarkD Thank you & best of luck in Miami to
@josh3rosen. So much respect for the professionalism, character & toughness he demonstrated throughout his time here.What an asshole... lol...
Bottom Line: Rosen is essentially still in the NFL starting gate, but the promise he showed at UCLA is still there and in year 2 of a potential 5-year contract, he's still cheap enough to see other, and hopefully better, opportunities.
Allen? First... have to laugh at any criticism for Jackson's "Scrambling" in a setup to lauding a big QB who is still known more for his running. As for his passing... I do have to admit the Allen is now able to hit the broad side of a barn on occasion, but he still lacks touch. He arrived in BUF to find the remnants of a Top 5 D and the Bills added Offensive piece after piece. And then there's the above mentioned "stability".
Always risky to put a team record up as an example of a QB's talent. Besides the supporting cast mentioned above there's a little matter of something I like to call "the opposition". Season to date in the Bills' 9-3 record are victories over exactly 2 teams with a winning record... two (DAL 6-5 at the time and TN 6-5)... offset by losses to 2 teams with losing records... two (us and PHI). The other 7 wins came against: NYJ, NYG, CIN, MIA, WSH, MIA and DNV.
That's looking back...
Here's looking ahead... next three games: BLT, @ PTG, @ NE.
Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
Looked for any expressions of negative sentiment upon his trade from AZ and found this:
Mark Dalton @CardsMarkD Thank you & best of luck in Miami to
@josh3rosen. So much respect for the professionalism, character & toughness he demonstrated throughout his time here.What an asshole... lol...
But they can go 1-3 the rest of the way out and still make the playoffs. Talk about a favorable schedule so far. Just beating the Steelers and Jets (both doable) and they're in. FWIW Tour I had no character issues with Rosen- but I did question his durability. Of course it's hard to get hurt if you're not playing.....
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Good for you! You thought a QB was good and he very well may be good at the NFL level.
This thread is premature for your purpose of trying to be “right” and trying to rub it in. It’s only year 2. Younger physically gifted QBs tend to have success early as they can rely on their feet/body.
Oh yea and I saw that you quoted me and deleted your post on the “happy thanksgiving” thread, where I said:”Josh Allen looks to be the real deal. The Bills may have the AFC east division in years to come.“
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It did take Josh Allen, my favorite qb out of that draft, some time to develop. This year, he really does look like the real deal.
Happened to turn to a Bills fan when the Browns played them at home, at the game with Canton Mike, and asked him about Allen. He said he was a hero to fans, but sometimes, he threw a long ball and they'd lament his lack of accuracy, but he had improved this year.
Looking back, at the qb's out of that draft:
I LOVE that we drafted Baker Mayfield. And Thank God we didn't draft Darnold or Jackson (although the latter's incredible scrambling is working for them).
Then, there's ...oh wait. Did I mention that Josh Allen, the Bill's qb ...is doing pretty great - they've won 9 games, the last two being ...
they beat Denver 20-3, and beat Dallas today, 26-15. They will have a tough time - they play the ratbuzzards next, then the steelers, then the patriots....Josh Allen looks like the real deal.
THEN... there's Josh Rosen, who I absolutely had NO USE FOR at all. A lot of guys bashed Allen as garbage, and raised Josh Rosen as their CHOSEN. "best pocket passer - next great NFL qb" yada yada bullhockey.
Truth is, the Cardinals had had quite enough with Rosen's serious weaknesses, that didn't have to do with "pocket passer".
I made it no secret way too often, that Rosen was not the qb that was going to be a star, because of the all too often WRONGO idea that "best pocket passer" meant Josh Allen was crap.
I picked Josh Allen.
So, about Josh "hosin" Rosen. No leadership, didn't really love the game, all handed to him, a rich self-absorbed PUNK.
The Cardinals dumped his worthless arse, trading him to the dolphins, right after selecting Kyler Murray, for a second round pick. and who is now starting for Miami? The old guy - Ryan Fitzpatrick. Who was drafted in the seventh round. So, to those who were upset and insisted that Rosen being a "Tom Brady" ...and Josh Allen being "garbage". Guess who got it right. Rosen displays profound suckage to this very day.
Why, want to know who the draftek mock draft has ...for Miami's pick in 2020?
https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round-1.asp
Justin HerbertOregonQBThey apparently have seen enough of punk Rosen as well.Say, Did I mention that Josh Allen has the Bills looking good, with nine games won already?Oh, ok.**********************************************************Furthermore, an interesting read:"The eye test will tell you Murray is having a superior season than Rosen did last year. Just how much better?
Murray has 393 passing attempts this season through 11 games. Rosen had 393 passing attempts all last season, in 14 games and 13 starts."
"So, how much better has Murray been?
- He has completed 37 more passes than Rosen did (254 to 217).
- Naturally, his completion percentage is better (64.6 to 55.2).
- He has 425 more passing yards (2,703 to 2,278).
- He has more touchdown passes (14 to 11).
- He has far fewer interceptions (5 to Rosen's 14).
- He has a much higher yards per attempt (6.9 to 5.8).
- His passer rating is more than 24 points higher (91.2 to 66.7).
That doesn't even factor in the running ability. Rosen had 138 rushing yards. Murray has 418 so far and has scored three touchdowns on the ground."
It did take Josh Allen, my favorite qb out of that draft, some time to develop. This year, he really does look like the real deal.
Happened to turn to a Bills fan when the Browns played them at home, at the game with Canton Mike, and asked him about Allen. He said he was a hero to fans, but sometimes, he threw a long ball and they'd lament his lack of accuracy, but he had improved this year.
Looking back, at the qb's out of that draft:
I LOVE that we drafted Baker Mayfield. And Thank God we didn't draft Darnold or Jackson (although the latter's incredible scrambling is working for them).
Then, there's ...oh wait. Did I mention that Josh Allen, the Bill's qb ...is doing pretty great - they've won 9 games, the last two being ...
they beat Denver 20-3, and beat Dallas today, 26-15. They will have a tough time - they play the ratbuzzards next, then the steelers, then the patriots....Josh Allen looks like the real deal.
THEN... there's Josh Rosen, who I absolutely had NO USE FOR at all. A lot of guys bashed Allen as garbage, and raised Josh Rosen as their CHOSEN. "best pocket passer - next great NFL qb" yada yada bullhockey.
Truth is, the Cardinals had had quite enough with Rosen's serious weaknesses, that didn't have to do with "pocket passer".
I made it no secret way too often, that Rosen was not the qb that was going to be a star, because of the all too often WRONGO idea that "best pocket passer" meant Josh Allen was crap.
I picked Josh Allen.
So, about Josh "hosin" Rosen. No leadership, didn't really love the game, all handed to him, a rich self-absorbed PUNK.
The Cardinals dumped his worthless arse, trading him to the dolphins, right after selecting Kyler Murray, for a second round pick. and who is now starting for Miami? The old guy - Ryan Fitzpatrick. Who was drafted in the seventh round. So, to those who were upset and insisted that Rosen being a "Tom Brady" ...and Josh Allen being "garbage". Guess who got it right. Rosen displays profound suckage to this very day.
Why, want to know who the draftek mock draft has ...for Miami's pick in 2020?
https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round-1.asp
Justin HerbertOregonQBThey apparently have seen enough of punk Rosen as well.Say, Did I mention that Josh Allen has the Bills looking good, with nine games won already?Oh, ok.**********************************************************Furthermore, an interesting read:"The eye test will tell you Murray is having a superior season than Rosen did last year. Just how much better?
Murray has 393 passing attempts this season through 11 games. Rosen had 393 passing attempts all last season, in 14 games and 13 starts."
"So, how much better has Murray been?
- He has completed 37 more passes than Rosen did (254 to 217).
- Naturally, his completion percentage is better (64.6 to 55.2).
- He has 425 more passing yards (2,703 to 2,278).
- He has more touchdown passes (14 to 11).
- He has far fewer interceptions (5 to Rosen's 14).
- He has a much higher yards per attempt (6.9 to 5.8).
- His passer rating is more than 24 points higher (91.2 to 66.7).
That doesn't even factor in the running ability. Rosen had 138 rushing yards. Murray has 418 so far and has scored three touchdowns on the ground."
I believe I said Rosen was overrated from day one, and that people I knew who had friends that were professors even said the kid was entitled and rude. Then after all of the rumors that even his teammates said he was an asshole, and his statement about possibly not playing football.
He's been handed everything his whole life, even more so than Johnny Football, I knew he wouldn't succeed at this level.
D'arnold doesn't have the heart. I was unsure about Lamar at first, but my god he looks amazing this year. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Hopefully he isn't RG3 2.0
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It did take Josh Allen, my favorite qb out of that draft, some time to develop. This year, he really does look like the real deal.
Happened to turn to a Bills fan when the Browns played them at home, at the game with Canton Mike, and asked him about Allen. He said he was a hero to fans, but sometimes, he threw a long ball and they'd lament his lack of accuracy, but he had improved this year.
Looking back, at the qb's out of that draft:
I LOVE that we drafted Baker Mayfield. And Thank God we didn't draft Darnold or Jackson (although the latter's incredible scrambling is working for them).
Then, there's ...oh wait. Did I mention that Josh Allen, the Bill's qb ...is doing pretty great - they've won 9 games, the last two being ...
they beat Denver 20-3, and beat Dallas today, 26-15. They will have a tough time - they play the ratbuzzards next, then the steelers, then the patriots....Josh Allen looks like the real deal.
THEN... there's Josh Rosen, who I absolutely had NO USE FOR at all. A lot of guys bashed Allen as garbage, and raised Josh Rosen as their CHOSEN. "best pocket passer - next great NFL qb" yada yada bullhockey.
Truth is, the Cardinals had had quite enough with Rosen's serious weaknesses, that didn't have to do with "pocket passer".
I made it no secret way too often, that Rosen was not the qb that was going to be a star, because of the all too often WRONGO idea that "best pocket passer" meant Josh Allen was crap.
I picked Josh Allen.
So, about Josh "hosin" Rosen. No leadership, didn't really love the game, all handed to him, a rich self-absorbed PUNK.
The Cardinals dumped his worthless arse, trading him to the dolphins, right after selecting Kyler Murray, for a second round pick. and who is now starting for Miami? The old guy - Ryan Fitzpatrick. Who was drafted in the seventh round. So, to those who were upset and insisted that Rosen being a "Tom Brady" ...and Josh Allen being "garbage". Guess who got it right. Rosen displays profound suckage to this very day.
Why, want to know who the draftek mock draft has ...for Miami's pick in 2020?
https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round-1.asp
Justin HerbertOregonQBThey apparently have seen enough of punk Rosen as well.Say, Did I mention that Josh Allen has the Bills looking good, with nine games won already?Oh, ok.**********************************************************Furthermore, an interesting read:"The eye test will tell you Murray is having a superior season than Rosen did last year. Just how much better?
Murray has 393 passing attempts this season through 11 games. Rosen had 393 passing attempts all last season, in 14 games and 13 starts."
"So, how much better has Murray been?
- He has completed 37 more passes than Rosen did (254 to 217).
- Naturally, his completion percentage is better (64.6 to 55.2).
- He has 425 more passing yards (2,703 to 2,278).
- He has more touchdown passes (14 to 11).
- He has far fewer interceptions (5 to Rosen's 14).
- He has a much higher yards per attempt (6.9 to 5.8).
- His passer rating is more than 24 points higher (91.2 to 66.7).
That doesn't even factor in the running ability. Rosen had 138 rushing yards. Murray has 418 so far and has scored three touchdowns on the ground."
I believe I said Rosen was overrated from day one, and that people I knew who had friends that were professors even said the kid was entitled and rude. Then after all of the rumors that even his teammates said he was an asshole, and his statement about possibly not playing football.
He's been handed everything his whole life, even more so than Johnny Football, I knew he wouldn't succeed at this level.
D'arnold doesn't have the heart. I was unsure about Lamar at first, but my god he looks amazing this year. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Hopefully he isn't RG3 2.0
I believe I said Rosen was overrated from day one, and that people I knew who had friends that were professors even said the kid was entitled and rude. Then after all of the rumors that even his teammates said he was an asshole, and his statement about possibly not playing football.
He's been handed everything his whole life, even more so than Johnny Football, I knew he wouldn't succeed at this level.
D'arnold doesn't have the heart. I was unsure about Lamar at first, but my god he looks amazing this year. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Hopefully he isn't RG3 2.0
Even if he busts out, as a first round pick Rosen has a nice retirement fund. Collected at least $11 million+ so far.
Regarding Lamar, the Browns had better hope he's another RG III, at least on the field- don't wish injury on anyone.
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Good for you! You thought a QB was good and he very well may be good at the NFL level.
This thread is premature for your purpose of trying to be “right” and trying to rub it in. It’s only year 2. Younger physically gifted QBs tend to have success early as they can rely on their feet/body.
Oh yea and I saw that you quoted me and deleted your post on the “happy thanksgiving” thread, where I said:”Josh Allen looks to be the real deal. The Bills may have the AFC east division in years to come.“
Good for you! You thought a QB was good and he very well may be good at the NFL level.
This thread is premature for your purpose of trying to be “right” and trying to rub it in. It’s only year 2. Younger physically gifted QBs tend to have success early as they can rely on their feet/body.
Oh yea and I saw that you quoted me and deleted your post on the “happy thanksgiving” thread, where I said:”Josh Allen looks to be the real deal. The Bills may have the AFC east division in years to come.“
Gee, thanks. lol It IS premature over the long haul, it's more that some people like Tiam can't stand being disagreed with and go ego whacko over it. I had to leave soon, was in that thread, and decided not to screw it up from Thanksgiving to this comparison.
It's also true, over time, that Rosen could develop the character/leadership/etc ...but that is a lot harder to do, if at all, than trying to get your mechanics right and be accurate. Not that I know that, but I'm just guessin.
and, it's also true that the Arizona and Miami offensive lines suck - with Miami's worse, ratings this year courtesy of
Fooball Outsiders.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
It just came to me from watching Rosen struggle., and how he struggled, vs Jose Allen struggle last year, and Allen's progress this year. If you made a list of great quarterbacks over the years, I think the common denominator was love for the game, and strong leadership and a ton of heart. Without that, skinny Johnny Unitas would not have made it to fame. on and on. Bradshaw (hate to admit it lol), Sipe, Kosar, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and yes, Baker Mayfield. Willing to lay in on the line, 100% - so many players over the years have failed, not because they lacked physical ability, but they lacked heart, love for the game, leadership that inspires others to rally together as a team. That's all. There were others on the board who were right about the Allen-Rosen debate back then.
Just interesting.
Sound familiar? Mayfield?
https://www.profootballhof.com/players/johnny-unitas/
Unitas, 6'1", 194.
(Louisville)...6'1'', 194...John Constantine Unitas ... Cut by 1955 Steelers, free agent with 1956 Colts, soon became legendary hero ... Exceptional field leader, thrived on pressure ... Led Colts to 1958, 1959 NFL crowns, Super Bowl V victory ... All-NFL six seasons, Player of Year three times ... MVP three times in 10 Pro Bowls ... Completed 2,830 passes for 40,239 yards, 290 TDs ...Threw at least one TD pass in 47 straight games ... Had 26 games over 300 yards passing ... Born May 7, 1933, in Pittsburgh,
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Allen? First... have to laugh at any criticism for Jackson's "Scrambling" in a setup to lauding a big QB who is still known more for his running. As for his passing... I do have to admit the Allen is now able to hit the broad side of a barn on occasion, but he still lacks touch. He arrived in BUF to find the remnants of a Top 5 D and the Bills added Offensive piece after piece. And then there's the above mentioned "stability".
Always risky to put a team record up as an example of a QB's talent. Besides the supporting cast mentioned above there's a little matter of something I like to call "the opposition". Season to date in the Bills' 9-3 record are victories over exactly 2 teams with a winning record... two (DAL 6-5 at the time and TN 6-5)... offset by losses to 2 teams with losing records... two (us and PHI). The other 7 wins came against: NYJ, NYG, CIN, MIA, WSH, MIA and DNV.
That's looking back...
Here's looking ahead... next three games: BLT, @ PTG, @ NE.
Bottom line: Allen has developed some competency at the NFL level and may develop further, but he isn't franchise grade yet.
Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
Looked for any expressions of negative sentiment upon his trade from AZ and found this:
Mark Dalton @CardsMarkD Thank you & best of luck in Miami to
@josh3rosen. So much respect for the professionalism, character & toughness he demonstrated throughout his time here.What an asshole... lol...
Bottom Line: Rosen is essentially still in the NFL starting gate, but the promise he showed at UCLA is still there and in year 2 of a potential 5-year contract, he's still cheap enough to see other, and hopefully better, opportunities.
Allen? First... have to laugh at any criticism for Jackson's "Scrambling" in a setup to lauding a big QB who is still known more for his running. As for his passing... I do have to admit the Allen is now able to hit the broad side of a barn on occasion, but he still lacks touch. He arrived in BUF to find the remnants of a Top 5 D and the Bills added Offensive piece after piece. And then there's the above mentioned "stability".
Always risky to put a team record up as an example of a QB's talent. Besides the supporting cast
Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
Looked for any expressions of negative sentiment upon his trade from AZ and found this:
Mark Dalton @CardsMarkD Thank you & best of luck in Miami to
@josh3rosen. So much respect for the professionalism, character & toughness he demonstrated throughout his time here.What an asshole... lol...
Bottom Line: Rosen is essentially still in the NFL starting gate, but the promise he showed at UCLA is still there and in year 2 of a potential 5-year contract, he's still cheap enough to see other, and hopefully better, opportunities.
While you make a lot of good points Tour - Miami probably still wanted to see him move the team (and escalate the play around him) better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. That shouldn't have been as impossible as it was if this guy is who we thought he was.
Baker was the only QB drafted by an 0-16 football team. The reason he became a fan fave is because he elevated the play of those around him as immediately as the first time he stepped on the field with a 14-0 deficit. FWIW, Cleveland was also winless (0-1-1) at that point in 2018 when he took his first snap with a 14-0 deficit he later erased vrs the Jets. He didn't need the "I was drafted by a bad team" excuse. In the process, we even found ourselves saying he was making the OL look better. Meanwhile, Arizona's current QB has them feeling like they can compete with anyone. They're not the Bingo FREE Space they were last year; and their rookie QB is a big reason for that IMO.
Keep in mind, a lot of Pac 12 QB Stars/1st round picks like Matt Leinart, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Mark Sanchez, Joey Harrington, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Leaf and Todd Marijuanavich disappointed at the NFL level in spite of all their promise. The 3 guys that had the most success are Aaron Rodgers (a JUCO transfer), Carson Palmer and Andrew Luck (who's already retired). I can't even add Alex Smith to the conference because his college team was in the Mountain West back when he played for Urban Meyer's & Joe Pesci's Utah Utes...
I remembered posting I'd much rather have Rosen than Allen if we didn't draft Mayfield or Darnold Duck. I have to admit Allen looks more like a keeper than Rosen at this point in time. One guy looks like his best football is in the rear view mirror and the other looks like he continues to get better in a league where the window of opportunity slams shut quickly. And it isn't like Buffalo spoiled Allen with all kinds of talent on the perimeter or at TE. The most notable WR they have is John Brown (who is on his 3rd NFL team in the last 3-4 years). All that said, he helps move the sticks with his arm and feet; and it's a big reason they're 9-3 without many big football names in the play making dept. I don't get the same vibe I got when the Bears once went something like 10-3 with Kyle Orton game managing them in the absence of Rex Grossman. I'm more impressed with what Allen puts on film as a Pro QB than I was with what he put on film in college. He also hasn't disappointed me when I've counted on him in fantasy football for whatever that's worth.
And YES - I'd be sleeping under bridges if I had to count on my pre-draft QB predictions for a living...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Good for you! You thought a QB was good and he very well may be good at the NFL level.
This thread is premature for your purpose of trying to be “right” and trying to rub it in. It’s only year 2. Younger physically gifted QBs tend to have success early as they can rely on their feet/body.
Oh yea and I saw that you quoted me and deleted your post on the “happy thanksgiving” thread, where I said:”Josh Allen looks to be the real deal. The Bills may have the AFC east division in years to come.“
Gee, thanks. lol It IS premature over the long haul, it's more that some people like Tiam can't stand being disagreed with and go ego whacko over it. I had to leave soon, was in that thread, and decided not to screw it up from Thanksgiving to this comparison.
It's also true, over time, that Rosen could develop the character/leadership/etc ...but that is a lot harder to do, if at all, than trying to get your mechanics right and be accurate. Not that I know that, but I'm just guessin.
and, it's also true that the Arizona and Miami offensive lines suck - with Miami's worse, ratings this year courtesy of
Fooball Outsiders.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
It just came to me from watching Rosen struggle., and how he struggled, vs Jose Allen struggle last year, and Allen's progress this year. If you made a list of great quarterbacks over the years, I think the common denominator was love for the game, and strong leadership and a ton of heart. Without that, skinny Johnny Unitas would not have made it to fame. on and on. Bradshaw (hate to admit it lol), Sipe, Kosar, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and yes, Baker Mayfield. Willing to lay in on the line, 100% - so many players over the years have failed, not because they lacked physical ability, but they lacked heart, love for the game, leadership that inspires others to rally together as a team. That's all. There were others on the board who were right about the Allen-Rosen debate back then.
Just interesting.
Sound familiar? Mayfield?
https://www.profootballhof.com/players/johnny-unitas/
Unitas, 6'1", 194.
(Louisville)...6'1'', 194...John Constantine Unitas ... Cut by 1955 Steelers, free agent with 1956 Colts, soon became legendary hero ... Exceptional field leader, thrived on pressure ... Led Colts to 1958, 1959 NFL crowns, Super Bowl V victory ... All-NFL six seasons, Player of Year three times ... MVP three times in 10 Pro Bowls ... Completed 2,830 passes for 40,239 yards, 290 TDs ...Threw at least one TD pass in 47 straight games ... Had 26 games over 300 yards passing ... Born May 7, 1933, in Pittsburgh,
Baker also played well in preseason and training camp as a rookie. All the reports were saying “Baker is flooring it” and he probably knew he should’ve been starting over Tyrod. I’m grateful how they let him come in naturally after Tyrod was hurt, though.
Gee, thanks. lol It IS premature over the long haul, it's more that some people like Tiam can't stand being disagreed with and go ego whacko over it.
It's also true, over time, that Rosen could develop the character/leadership/etc ...
Sound familiar? Mayfield?
https://www.profootballhof.com/players/johnny-unitas/
Unitas, 6'1",
Well you gotta realize, that tia isn’t the only Browns fan with an opinion.. Personally, I liked Rosen’s arm, deep ball, and accuracy. He has also displayed a great throw on the run skills with Miami.
It’s tough to tell what kind of leadership Rosen possesses, imo, going from one 1st overall pick contender to another. If anything, this is the period is where he will build character?
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