We are all getting cheated

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Reffing is as bad as I've ever seen it, but to start passing out the tinfoil is simply batshit crazy.

You know that's true when cal comes in passing out more hats. Write it up and publish it in The Blaze.!!?

Sorry cal-I just could not resist this.?

Tour2ma

@calfoxwc said:

actually. the op has a point.

Which is unfortunately at the top of his head... so much pierced and torn tinfoil that could have gone

The reffing can be bad and there not be a conspiracy either to make it so or to favor certain teams... which is one of your main themes... or at least was until your above post showed many teams' fans are unhappy. With a little more effort no doubt you could find multiple examples for each team.

Hell... no fans are more entitled to bitch about the officials more this week than the Pats fans. Calls in last nite's game were laughably bad.

Or maybe the NFL just doesn't want the Pats to have home-field advantage again thru the playoffs...

calfoxwc

I just think so many bad calls are happening, and even under clear review...

the right call still doesn't get made?

and completely, flagrantly obvious calls are ignored?

then, if you want to bitch about "favoritism" why don't YOU try to explain it?

Just referee mistakesies?

you can't be serious, that's all. Some calls are so oblivious to what happened, or didn't happen,

and they still don't get fixed under review?

Be serious. Favoritism doesn't have to be a conspiracy.

Look up the definitions of your words if you need to.

bjh2130

@calfoxwc said:

doesn't have to be "fixing" games. It can be "favoring certain teams"

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nfl/news/new-york-jets-vs-new-england-patriots-austin-seferian-jenkins-touchdown-video-nfl-news/1tjm5u8tg74dl1fdhwqwgbmg2a

Watch the video. They took away the Jets' TD, and gave the ball to the Patriots. Explain that. Just a "mistake" ?

on frickin replay?

On that jets play seferian-Jenkins lost control of the ball he regained it but never got a body part back in the ball broke the plane of the endzone and was carried out by ASF. The only way it was the wrong call was if the ball crossed out of bounds before breaking the plane of goalline which it should have then been placed back at the place of where he lost control.

calfoxwc

My point was, Toursies, is that it is just as asinine to try to say that the

refs just "make mistakes" when some are so glaring, and even with video replay,

they STILL DO NOT get reversed...

something is wrong. Man up and try to explain it yourself then, outside of "well, the little referees are human, too you know" when we also get to see the video replay. and even then, they won't reverse some calls.

Referees’ incompetence has reached dangerous NFL breaking ...

https://nypost.com/2019/10/15/referees...

Oct 15, 2019 · And the NFL’s move toward full-time officials ended in the summer when the league scrapped it as part of ongoing labor discussions with the NFL Referees …

Author: Steve Serby

calfoxwc

NFL Referee, Head Of Officiating Seemingly Didn’t Know NFL ...

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/09/10/nfl-referee-head-of-officiating-botched-rule...

Sep 10, 2019 · But in terms of referee John Hussey and NFL head of officiating Al Riveron, what took place at the end of the first half on Monday night in New Orleans was a complete and utter embarrassment ...

calfoxwc

NFL referee kills play early, costs Saints a touchdown vs ...

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/15/saints-rams-referee-mistake-cameron-jordan...

Sep 15, 2019 · The New Orleans Saints have been the victims of spectacular officiating mistakes in three consecutive games, with a premature whistle wiping out a fumble returned 89 yards for a touchdown by defensive end Cameron Jordan. ... Mike Pereira, on the broadcast that referees are advised to let the play finish out before whistling for an end to it ...

Eagles hosed by multiple referee mistakes in loss to ...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-hosed-by-multiple-referee-mistakes-in-loss...

Dec 12, 2018 · Eagles hosed by multiple referee mistakes in loss to Cowboys; NFL needs more centralized replay The league needs to look into having a bigger presence from the command center

Gorka

@babernakle said:

I think it is time that the nfl face a congressional investigation for game fixing as well as the ncaa. The calls have never be worse or egregious. Anyone who thinks refs are not swaying the games is obviously got their head in their ass. It’s time to call your congressman and bitch. With all the money that is being beat on these games it needs to happen. They have ruin the sport, and the people know it that’s why there rating are down 25% last year.

Lol another "congressional investigation". So lets impeach the referees.

calfoxwc

I don't think the NFL is openly fixing games - never said that - it's just that the referees' calls defy rational explanation of "just mistakes"...when they do not even get overturned by replay video. I guess it's more like clusters of refs who, for reasons of their own, blow calls.

Or, they are far more disabled mentally than Forrest Gump.

hish747

@babernakle said:

It’s time to call your congressman and bitch.

Ok Danno, you call your congressman and I'll call my bitch . ?

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Which is unfortunately at the top of his head... so much pierced and torn tinfoil that could have gone

The reffing can be bad and there not be a conspiracy either to make it so or to favor certain teams... which is one of your main themes... or at least was until your above post showed many teams' fans are unhappy. With a little more effort no doubt you could find multiple examples for each team.

Hell... no fans are more entitled to bitch about the officials more this week than the Pats fans. Calls in last nite's game were laughably bad.

Or maybe the NFL just doesn't want the Pats to have home-field advantage again thru the playoffs...

IIRC in the KC game, shouldn't that have been a TD? And an obvious quick whistle on the fumble.

Really- anyone whining about it should just stop watching. The game is played in (amazingly fast) real time, not slow motion frame by frame replay... Was Njoku down? I say probably- but then again Baker's game killing interception got overturned too. I like to think the bad calls (usually) even out...

jcam222

@hoorta said:

IIRC in the KC game, shouldn't that have been a TD? And an obvious quick whistle on the fumble.

Really- anyone whining about it should just stop watching. The game is played in (amazingly fast) real time, not slow motion frame by frame replay... Was Njoku down? I say probably- but then again Baker's game killing interception got overturned too. I like to think the bad calls (usually) even out...

I agree that it can be tough to get a call right in real time. That said there are egregious calls AFTER they review the plays seeing things in slow motion from all angles. Tinfoil hat or not when they get those wrong it has to make you wonder. Relative to the Njoku play perhaps I am wrong and am open to hear feedback but it was not a fumble. In countless angles he had the ball and was down. The call on the field both really time and after a long review was a fumble recovered by the Bengals. The official game log was changed to record it as an interception. It surely was not an interception. If he was down (which he was) and both he and the defender had the ball it defaults to the receiver as a catch.

Canton Mike

@jcam222 said:

I agree that it can be tough to get a call right in real time. That said there are egregious calls AFTER they review the plays seeing things in slow motion from all angles. Tinfoil hat or not when they get those wrong it has to make you wonder. Relative to the Njoku play perhaps I am wrong and am open to hear feedback but it was not a fumble. In countless angles he had the ball and was down. The call on the field both really time and after a long review was a fumble recovered by the Bengals. The official game log was changed to record it as an interception. It surely was not an interception. If he was down (which he was) and both he and the defender had the ball it defaults to the receiver as a catch.

EXACTLY!!

That crew yesterday also screwed up clock stuff. They were, to quote a famous EX steelers QB......"bush league"! ?

Mike

calfoxwc

does Toursies have any rational explanation (er...feeble excuse) for this?

calfoxwc

lol.

bjh2130

@jcam222 said:

I agree that it can be tough to get a call right in real time. That said there are egregious calls AFTER they review the plays seeing things in slow motion from all angles. Tinfoil hat or not when they get those wrong it has to make you wonder. Relative to the Njoku play perhaps I am wrong and am open to hear feedback but it was not a fumble. In countless angles he had the ball and was down. The call on the field both really time and after a long review was a fumble recovered by the Bengals. The official game log was changed to record it as an interception. It surely was not an interception. If he was down (which he was) and both he and the defender had the ball it defaults to the receiver as a catch.

They did overturn it to an interception and not a fumble. It certainly couldn't have been a fumble but I can see where it is an interception.

I believe they called it int due to the fact that if you are going to the ground during a catch you have to control the ball all the way through ground. Njoku didn't do that as once he hit the ground Vigil ripped the ball out and the ball didn't hit the ground and Cincinnati linebacker maintained possession. The best way I can explain it is let's say Vigil isnt right on top of njoku as he goes up and grabs it then when Njoku falls to his back the ball jars free and pops up into the air and Vigil comes swooping in to catch it. That would be ruled an int because he didn't complete the catch through the ground.

Now for the gray area (if college rule is same as nfl rule). Last year in the Michigan Ohio State game Nico Collins caught a fade in the endzone got one foot in and was going to the ground with Jeffrey Okudah draped all over him and right after Nico hit the ground Okudah raked the ball out. It was ruled on the field as incomplete but when they reviewed it they determined that he maintained possession as he hit the ground it was the act of Okudah that forced the ball loose not the ground so they overturned it and ruled it a catch and a TD.

IF (and that's a big if) the rule is the same Njoku controlled it first and as he hit the ground Vigil gained dual control and began ripping the ball away from Njoku. It was the act of Vigil raking the ball that made him lose control not the act of hitting the ground so it should have been overturned. (Again that's a big if)

In the end I had no issue with them ruling it an interception because I don't believe that to be the rule in the NFL (I'm not certain). Njoku didn't maintain control of the ball through the ground. I did object to the fact that they didn't rule Vigil down by contact right there at the spot he took it out of Njoku's hands and marked it at the spot where he got shoved out along the sideline.

Tour2ma

@calfoxwc said:

Favoritism doesn't have to be a conspiracy.

Just want to preserve this for posterity...

Since we don't have sigs anymore, I may have to put it in the greeting for The Tavern...

calfoxwc

Toursies, what is your problem? compare definitions. various referees who could show favoritism could easily be random refs who do not deliberately work in secret to work together to the same end. Generally, they could favor the best teams for whatever reasons - loyalty, betting on games (as in, more likely, someone they know who bets on games), or despising a team...say...because of bottlegate or something. or greed - as in, wanting the NFL to make more money so they get paid more.

Who knows? something is wrong. and the NFL isn't fixing it.

Conspiracy does not mean the same thing as favoritism. egad.

conspiracy

[kənˈspirəsē]

NOUN

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

synonyms:

plot · scheme · stratagem · plan · machination · cabal · intrigue · palace intrigue · deception · ploy · trick · ruse · dodge · subterfuge · sharp practice · frame-up · fit-up · racket · put-up job · complot · covin
- the action of plotting or conspiring.
  
  "they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"
  synonyms:
  
  plotting · collusion · intrigue · connivance · machination · collaboration · treason
  
  Favoritism
  
  [ˈfāv(ə)rəˌtizəm]
  
  NOUN
  
  the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another.
  
  synonyms:
  
  partiality · partisanship · unfair preference · preferential treatment · special treatment · preference · favor · one-sidedness · prejudice · bias · inequality · unfairness · inequity · discrimination · positive discrimination · reverse discrimination · nepotism · keeping it in the family · looking after one's own · jobs for the boys

Tour2ma

That you cannot see how ludicrous you're being says it all, Kal...

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

That you cannot see how ludicrous you're being says it all, Kal...

Insight is what you do just before you take down a wabbit for wabbit stew.????