Browns Bengals Gameday Thread
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That was insanely educational and interesting. Without a doubt worth the time to watch.
I know this was obvious before watching this, but Dorsey HAS to fix the OTackle situation here, and Kitchens has to do a better job keeping his offense "Baker Friendly", because while Mayfield is talented, he's still somewhat limited.
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Brilliant, compare Baker, in his second year - to Tom Brady in his...whatever year. LOL
Some pretty good obvious points, though. Kitchens will learn. He hasn't been a hc as long as buttichek, either.
water is wet. Toursies and sissy Tiamsies get it YAY !!!
and our OT's are far more suspect.
also a point:
https://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2019/preseason/2019-offensive-line-rankings-1-10
3. New England Patriots
While Strausser sort of fell into a great place, Dante Scarnecchia has been creating a great offensive line room for years, regardless of which bodies are in them. It’s long been talked about that Scarnecchia is one of the best offensive line coaches in the league, but how do we quantify what that means for the team? Justis Mosqueda (@JuMosq) had that same question and did the leg work to find out. He created a metric that compared year-to-year offensive line performance to the NFL average in both team sacks given up and team tackles for loss given up. The information was pooled from every game beginning in 2004 through Week 14 of 2018 and to say that the results were conclusive would be an understatement.
(Thanks again to @JuMosq for use of the graphic)
Scarnecchia trounced the competition. His offensive lines prevented far more tackles for losses than any other coach’s units and his teams ranked second in sacks prevented compared to league average. Of course, the men on the field are the ones doing the actual work, but this spans between 2004 – 2013 and 2016 – present (Scarnecchia briefly retired). Dante will have his work cut out for him this year as the ever-important left tackle position is still up in the air.
Trent Brown went ahead and made himself some money by signing with the Oakland Raiders this offseason, which left a hole in the line. Last year’s first-round pick Isaiah Wynn still has an uphill battle to return from last year’s torn Achilles but is currently slated to take over the role. If Wynn can’t go, then this year’s third-round pick Yodny Cajuste will have to hurry up and develop into an NFL quality tackle. It’s time once again for Scarnecchia to flex his coaching muscles.
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Gosh. Better offensive line, like a lot of US have been saying.
TE chippies - good point. Also good point - crossing patterns. Gronk use to do it a lot.
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Brilliant, compare Baker, in his second year - to Tom Brady in his...whatever year. LOL
Some pretty good obvious points, though. Kitchens will learn. He hasn't been a hc as long as buttichek, either.
water is wet. Toursies and sissy Tiamsies get it YAY !!!
and our OT's are far more suspect.
also a point:
https://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2019/preseason/2019-offensive-line-rankings-1-10
3. New England Patriots
While Strausser sort of fell into a great place, Dante Scarnecchia has been creating a great offensive line room for years, regardless of which bodies are in them. It’s long been talked about that Scarnecchia is one of the best offensive line coaches in the league, but how do we quantify what that means for the team? Justis Mosqueda (@JuMosq) had that same question and did the leg work to find out. He created a metric that compared year-to-year offensive line performance to the NFL average in both team sacks given up and team tackles for loss given up. The information was pooled from every game beginning in 2004 through Week 14 of 2018 and to say that the results were conclusive would be an understatement.
(Thanks again to @JuMosq for use of the graphic)
Scarnecchia trounced the competition. His offensive lines prevented far more tackles for losses than any other coach’s units and his teams ranked second in sacks prevented compared to league average. Of course, the men on the field are the ones doing the actual work, but this spans between 2004 – 2013 and 2016 – present (Scarnecchia briefly retired). Dante will have his work cut out for him this year as the ever-important left tackle position is still up in the air.
Trent Brown went ahead and made himself some money by signing with the Oakland Raiders this offseason, which left a hole in the line. Last year’s first-round pick Isaiah Wynn still has an uphill battle to return from last year’s torn Achilles but is currently slated to take over the role. If Wynn can’t go, then this year’s third-round pick Yodny Cajuste will have to hurry up and develop into an NFL quality tackle. It’s time once again for Scarnecchia to flex his coaching muscles.
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Gosh. Better offensive line, like a lot of US have been saying.
TE chippies - good point. Also good point - crossing patterns. Gronk use to do it a lot.
He hasn't been a hc as long as buttichek, either.
water is wet. Toursies and sissy Tiamsies get it YAY !!!
Could you imagine how fast cal would soil himself if "Toursies" or "Tiamsies" met him in person?
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That was insanely educational and interesting. Without a doubt worth the time to watch.
I know this was obvious before watching this, but Dorsey HAS to fix the OTackle situation here, and Kitchens has to do a better job keeping his offense "Baker Friendly", because while Mayfield is talented, he's still somewhat limited.
That was insanely educational and interesting. Without a doubt worth the time to watch.
I know this was obvious before watching this, but Dorsey HAS to fix the OTackle situation here, and Kitchens has to do a better job keeping his offense "Baker Friendly", because while Mayfield is talented, he's still somewhat limited.
That's the issue with having the offense "Baker friendly"... it cuts down a great deal on what we can do pushing vertically from the gun and not off play action. Granted, you can still have an effective offense without it - look at the Rams who use play action as much as anybody. But they can be schemed against with the right coaches and time.
Brilliant, compare Baker, in his second year - to Tom Brady in his...whatever year. LOL
Some pretty good obvious points, though. Kitchens will learn. He hasn't been a hc as long as buttichek, either.
water is wet. Toursies and sissy Tiamsies get it YAY !!!
and our OT's are far more suspect.
also a point:
https://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2019/preseason/2019-offensive-line-rankings-1-10
3. New England Patriots
While Strausser sort of fell into a great place, Dante Scarnecchia has been creating a great offensive line room for years, regardless of which bodies are in them. It’s long been talked about that Scarnecchia is one of the best offensive line coaches in the league, but how do we quantify what that means for the team? Justis Mosqueda (@JuMosq) had that same question and did the leg work to find out. He created a metric that compared year-to-year offensive line performance to the NFL average in both team sacks given up and team tackles for loss given up. The information was pooled from every game beginning in 2004 through Week 14 of 2018 and to say that the results were conclusive would be an understatement.
(Thanks again to @JuMosq for use of the graphic)
Scarnecchia trounced the competition. His offensive lines prevented far more tackles for losses than any other coach’s units and his teams ranked second in sacks prevented compared to league average. Of course, the men on the field are the ones doing the actual work, but this spans between 2004 – 2013 and 2016 – present (Scarnecchia briefly retired). Dante will have his work cut out for him this year as the ever-important left tackle position is still up in the air.
Trent Brown went ahead and made himself some money by signing with the Oakland Raiders this offseason, which left a hole in the line. Last year’s first-round pick Isaiah Wynn still has an uphill battle to return from last year’s torn Achilles but is currently slated to take over the role. If Wynn can’t go, then this year’s third-round pick Yodny Cajuste will have to hurry up and develop into an NFL quality tackle. It’s time once again for Scarnecchia to flex his coaching muscles.
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Gosh. Better offensive line, like a lot of US have been saying.
TE chippies - good point. Also good point - crossing patterns. Gronk use to do it a lot.
The comparison of Baker to Brady wasn't in accomplishment or ability, but in highlighting how they prefer to set in the pocket. Footwork and depth. Just simple mechanical comparison. Judging by your comment that flew over your head.
Also, cute article that is 1st - from the pre-season and 2nd - is a unit ranking... something I rather despise. Fact is, NE's tackle situation isn't much, if at all, better than ours. They just have coaches and a QB who can help to minimize that problem. Which is why they can get away with some of the things in which they do.
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The comparison of Baker to Brady wasn't in accomplishment or ability, but in highlighting how they prefer to set in the pocket. Footwork and depth. Just simple mechanical comparison. Judging by your comment that flew over your head. Tiamsies
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I don't care. A lot of qb's had different stances. Remember how Kosar took a snap? where his feet were? That isn't the point. The point YOU are missing, is that Tom Brady is 6'4", which I suppose could make a bit of difference. It's a more minor point, I think. The chipping with TE's is a very good point.
Patriots offensive line was rated #5.
5. New England Patriots. The Patriots easily could have cracked the top three on this list had they kept Trent Brown, who was excellent at left tackle last year. Isaiah Wynn is set to take over for him, but he was limited in camp. So, that hurts the potential of this line, as they are thin at tackle. The rest of the line, highlighted by the elite guard tandem of Joe Thuney and Shaq Mason, is terrific and allowed Tom Brady to be sacked just 21 times last year (tied for second-fewest in a 16-game season in the last 10 years). Brady should benefit from this protection, while Sony Michel and Damien Harris look to take advantage of the 4.4 yards per carry average running backs enjoyed behind the unit last year.
https://www.dynastynerds.com/ranking-the-top-ten-offensive-lines-2019/
5. Patriots
The defending Super Bowl champs rank 6th in this exercise. Shaq Mason ended 2018 as the number 1 graded RG. Both Joe Thuney (LG) and David Andrews(C) were top 7 at their positions. The only question mark is at LT, where Isaiah Wynn is slated to start. Wynn, the former first round pick, missed all 2018 with a torn Achilles. Sony Michel is locked in as the early down back, with James White taking on third down/passing duties. The patriots further muddled the RB depth chart by selecting Damien Harris in the third round. This may signify they are concerned about Michel longterm. The back I am buying here is White, who’s role remains unchanged.
MSN has the Patriots at number 2
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2019-offensive-line-rankings/ar-AAFkbel
2. New England Patriots
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The Patriots offensive line sported superior marks in almost every measurable category last season. They are a critical success factor that doesn't get enough credit. And that's typically losing great players almost annually. This time RT Trenton Brown left to sign a 4-year, $66 million deal in Oakland as the most coveted free-agent lineman. The Pats added LT Yodny Cajuste (3.37) in the draft. OL coach Dante Scarnecchia is a big part of the Pats winning ways. There will be reshuffling as there is almost every year but no reason to expect less from this always competent unit.
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Fantastic, all your articles basically talk about the relative weakness that is the Patriots tackle situation. As they highlight the offense interior as their strength.
Congrats, you've made my point. Our respective teams have a very similar problem. Only our personnel magnifies that problem just a little more.
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Our offensive line is Joel Bitonio, JC Tretter, and 3 other guys. Week to week, us sitting on our couches aren't even sure who the 3 other guys will be. One week a guy is a starter, the next he's benched and some 'other' guy plays, and then the next week the first guy is back in. No matter what the 'coach speak' of the week is, it's obvious that they wish they had better players to stick at LT, RT & RG. We do not have a cohesive OL. As has been said, a great many of us were concerned about those 3 positions all offseason long. Contrary to a past, not to be named, board member....you cannot just take any ol' five fat-asses and stick them on the OL. They have to meet a minimum talent standard
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I wasn't about to make a new thread but I would highly encourage a good lot of you to watch this video. He does some solid work. Though I've disagreed with some of his conclusions in the past (Darnold, Peppers, a few others) this is the type of work I can really respect because of the intelligence put into it.
Pay close attention to the 6:40 mark. You'll notice the analysis and stats there that reinforce what a couple of us here have been saying since week 2.
I wasn't about to make a new thread but I would highly encourage a good lot of you to watch this video. He does some solid work. Though I've disagreed with some of his conclusions in the past (Darnold, Peppers, a few others) this is the type of work I can really respect because of the intelligence put into it.
Pay close attention to the 6:40 mark. You'll notice the analysis and stats there that reinforce what a couple of us here have been saying since week 2.
This was a great video. I would like to add the beginning of the season looked a lot like todd monken's offense at tampa bay with all the deep route tree concepts. I know freddie was calling the plays but it looked nothing like the offense he ran last year. I think monken was installing the gameplan during the week so Freddie could be "head coach" during practices then Freddie was calling plays on gameday. These last 5 weeks at 4-1 have looked like Freddie's offense from last year so I wonder if he started taking a more active role in designing the plays and gameplan.
They would be better served to cut ties with monken and hire a coordinator in offseason who better fits with Freddie scheme and bakers skill set and let that oc install the gameplan and call the plays next year.
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I wasn't about to make a new thread but I would highly encourage a good lot of you to watch this video. He does some solid work. Though I've disagreed with some of his conclusions in the past (Darnold, Peppers, a few others) this is the type of work I can really respect because of the intelligence put into it.
Pay close attention to the 6:40 mark. You'll notice the analysis and stats there that reinforce what a couple of us here have been saying since week 2.
This was a great video. I would like to add the beginning of the season looked a lot like todd monken's offense at tampa bay with all the deep route tree concepts. I know freddie was calling the plays but it looked nothing like the offense he ran last year. I think monken was installing the gameplan during the week so Freddie could be "head coach" during practices then Freddie was calling plays on gameday. These last 5 weeks at 4-1 have looked like Freddie's offense from last year so I wonder if he started taking a more active role in designing the plays and gameplan.
They would be better served to cut ties with monken and hire a coordinator in offseason who better fits with Freddie scheme and bakers skill set and let that oc install the gameplan and call the plays next year.
They would be better served to cut ties with monken and hire a coordinator in offseason who better fits with Freddie scheme and bakers skill set and let that oc install the gameplan and call the plays next year.
I believe that is the best solution to the problem. Monken is known for his field stretching offense, which is not smart given a struggling offensive line. Which was a point in the video - no crossing/outlet patterns etc, all wr's went long. Bigtime stress on the offensive line.
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They would be better served to cut ties with monken and hire a coordinator in offseason who better fits with Freddie scheme and bakers skill set and let that oc install the gameplan and call the plays next year.
I believe that is the best solution to the problem. Monken is known for his field stretching offense, which is not smart given a struggling offensive line. Which was a point in the video - no crossing/outlet patterns etc, all wr's went long. Bigtime stress on the offensive line.
I believe that is the best solution to the problem. Monken is known for his field stretching offense, which is not smart given a struggling offensive line. Which was a point in the video - no crossing/outlet patterns etc, all wr's went long. Bigtime stress on the offensive line.
I honestly thought the offense looked better than many people think. I can't think of too many 3 and outs, and when we had it, we moved it. Baker had the one pick on that deep ball that was JUST off, and if it's a foot closer who knows what happens. Kind of been that way all year, ya know? Then the Njoku fumble-pick snafu after a good drive, and then the rest of the day our defense couldn't get the damn ball back. They were getting GASHED over and over again, and the sad thing is at one point the Bengals were like 2-8 on 3rd down, but they basically doubled time of possession. They were hardly even GETTING to 3rd down, that's how bad our defense was. They had drives of like 5 minutes, 4 minutes, 8 minutes, and lord knows what else. We simply couldn't get the freakin rock back.
I'll tell you right now, our defense will have to step up next week because Arizona WILL beat us if we don't play better. I see a situation where our offense will have to score 30 or we'll probably take a loss.
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Our offensive line is Joel Bitonio, JC Tretter, and 3 other guys. Week to week, us sitting on our couches aren't even sure who the 3 other guys will be. One week a guy is a starter, the next he's benched and some 'other' guy plays, and then the next week the first guy is back in. No matter what the 'coach speak' of the week is, it's obvious that they wish they had better players to stick at LT, RT & RG. We do not have a cohesive OL. As has been said, a great many of us were concerned about those 3 positions all offseason long. Contrary to a past, not to be named, board member....you cannot just take any ol' five fat-asses and stick them on the OL. They have to meet a minimum talent standard
Our offensive line is Joel Bitonio, JC Tretter, and 3 other guys. Week to week, us sitting on our couches aren't even sure who the 3 other guys will be. One week a guy is a starter, the next he's benched and some 'other' guy plays, and then the next week the first guy is back in. No matter what the 'coach speak' of the week is, it's obvious that they wish they had better players to stick at LT, RT & RG. We do not have a cohesive OL. As has been said, a great many of us were concerned about those 3 positions all offseason long. Contrary to a past, not to be named, board member....you cannot just take any ol' five fat-asses and stick them on the OL. They have to meet a minimum talent standard
Yep
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I believe that is the best solution to the problem. Monken is known for his field stretching offense, which is not smart given a struggling offensive line. Which was a point in the video - no crossing/outlet patterns etc, all wr's went long. Bigtime stress on the offensive line.
I honestly thought the offense looked better than many people think. I can't think of too many 3 and outs, and when we had it, we moved it. Baker had the one pick on that deep ball that was JUST off, and if it's a foot closer who knows what happens. Kind of been that way all year, ya know? Then the Njoku fumble-pick snafu after a good drive, and then the rest of the day our defense couldn't get the damn ball back. They were getting GASHED over and over again, and the sad thing is at one point the Bengals were like 2-8 on 3rd down, but they basically doubled time of possession. They were hardly even GETTING to 3rd down, that's how bad our defense was. They had drives of like 5 minutes, 4 minutes, 8 minutes, and lord knows what else. We simply couldn't get the freakin rock back.
I'll tell you right now, our defense will have to step up next week because Arizona WILL beat us if we don't play better. I see a situation where our offense will have to score 30 or we'll probably take a loss.
I honestly thought the offense looked better than many people think. I can't think of too many 3 and outs, and when we had it, we moved it. Baker had the one pick on that deep ball that was JUST off, and if it's a foot closer who knows what happens. Kind of been that way all year, ya know? Then the Njoku fumble-pick snafu after a good drive, and then the rest of the day our defense couldn't get the damn ball back. They were getting GASHED over and over again, and the sad thing is at one point the Bengals were like 2-8 on 3rd down, but they basically doubled time of possession. They were hardly even GETTING to 3rd down, that's how bad our defense was. They had drives of like 5 minutes, 4 minutes, 8 minutes, and lord knows what else. We simply couldn't get the freakin rock back.
I'll tell you right now, our defense will have to step up next week because Arizona WILL beat us if we don't play better. I see a situation where our offense will have to score 30 or we'll probably take a loss.
the d is totally horrible....it won't change....at this point in the season, you are what you are...you may see a flicker of hope here and there, but in the end, we will get slashed and gashed....i see murray running for many many yds on sunday opening up their passing game in which we will get hammered...i see yodell screaming at our coaching staff again as the season comes to an end for the poor ole clowns....
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I honestly thought the offense looked better than many people think. I can't think of too many 3 and outs, and when we had it, we moved it. Baker had the one pick on that deep ball that was JUST off, and if it's a foot closer who knows what happens. Kind of been that way all year, ya know? Then the Njoku fumble-pick snafu after a good drive, and then the rest of the day our defense couldn't get the damn ball back. They were getting GASHED over and over again, and the sad thing is at one point the Bengals were like 2-8 on 3rd down, but they basically doubled time of possession. They were hardly even GETTING to 3rd down, that's how bad our defense was. They had drives of like 5 minutes, 4 minutes, 8 minutes, and lord knows what else. We simply couldn't get the freakin rock back.
I'll tell you right now, our defense will have to step up next week because Arizona WILL beat us if we don't play better. I see a situation where our offense will have to score 30 or we'll probably take a loss.
the d is totally horrible....it won't change....at this point in the season, you are what you are...you may see a flicker of hope here and there, but in the end, we will get slashed and gashed....i see murray running for many many yds on sunday opening up their passing game in which we will get hammered...i see yodell screaming at our coaching staff again as the season comes to an end for the poor ole clowns....
the d is totally horrible....it won't change....at this point in the season, you are what you are...you may see a flicker of hope here and there, but in the end, we will get slashed and gashed....i see murray running for many many yds on sunday opening up their passing game in which we will get hammered...i see yodell screaming at our coaching staff again as the season comes to an end for the poor ole clowns....
Well....we HAVE taken some hits on defense: Garrett...out; Burnett...out. Kirksey...out. Vernon...out most of the time *(WTF). How many games did Ward miss? And Randall?
We have played some games with third string DBs.
So, sure, it is next man up. But the fact is, in this league....starters are starters for a reason, and backups are backups for a reason.
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the d is totally horrible....it won't change....at this point in the season, you are what you are...you may see a flicker of hope here and there, but in the end, we will get slashed and gashed....i see murray running for many many yds on sunday opening up their passing game in which we will get hammered...i see yodell screaming at our coaching staff again as the season comes to an end for the poor ole clowns....
Well....we HAVE taken some hits on defense: Garrett...out; Burnett...out. Kirksey...out. Vernon...out most of the time *(WTF). How many games did Ward miss? And Randall?
We have played some games with third string DBs.
So, sure, it is next man up. But the fact is, in this league....starters are starters for a reason, and backups are backups for a reason.
Well....we HAVE taken some hits on defense: Garrett...out; Burnett...out. Kirksey...out. Vernon...out most of the time *(WTF). How many games did Ward miss? And Randall?
We have played some games with third string DBs.
So, sure, it is next man up. But the fact is, in this league....starters are starters for a reason, and backups are backups for a reason.
That's just it. Wilkes' system is predicated on getting pressure with 4, and since we're literally down to our 5th and 6th string DEs, we're not getting consistent pressures AT ALL. Much of this is bad luck, a ton is Myles Garrett's fault, and some blame is on John Dorsey. Genard Avery gets traded and doesn't play at all and then we lose Vernon for basically the year. Why trade him? Makes no sense. Making matters worse, Dorsey drafted Chad freakin Thomas in the THIRD ROUND and that guy is totally worthless. Dorsey missed on Corbett and Thomas in subsequent rounds. You can't do that! Regardless of getting Chubb with the extra 2nd rounder.
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Well....we HAVE taken some hits on defense: Garrett...out; Burnett...out. Kirksey...out. Vernon...out most of the time *(WTF). How many games did Ward miss? And Randall?
We have played some games with third string DBs.
So, sure, it is next man up. But the fact is, in this league....starters are starters for a reason, and backups are backups for a reason.
That's just it. Wilkes' system is predicated on getting pressure with 4, and since we're literally down to our 5th and 6th string DEs, we're not getting consistent pressures AT ALL. Much of this is bad luck, a ton is Myles Garrett's fault, and some blame is on John Dorsey. Genard Avery gets traded and doesn't play at all and then we lose Vernon for basically the year. Why trade him? Makes no sense. Making matters worse, Dorsey drafted Chad freakin Thomas in the THIRD ROUND and that guy is totally worthless. Dorsey missed on Corbett and Thomas in subsequent rounds. You can't do that! Regardless of getting Chubb with the extra 2nd rounder.
That's just it. Wilkes' system is predicated on getting pressure with 4, and since we're literally down to our 5th and 6th string DEs, we're not getting consistent pressures AT ALL. Much of this is bad luck, a ton is Myles Garrett's fault, and some blame is on John Dorsey. Genard Avery gets traded and doesn't play at all and then we lose Vernon for basically the year. Why trade him? Makes no sense. Making matters worse, Dorsey drafted Chad freakin Thomas in the THIRD ROUND and that guy is totally worthless. Dorsey missed on Corbett and Thomas in subsequent rounds. You can't do that! Regardless of getting Chubb with the extra 2nd rounder.
Actually, I thought Chad Thomas had several pressures, and a sack on Sunday. Didn't he?
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Chad has actually been contributing when called on and has shown some signs of good development. I was iffy on that one but it might turn out to be a solid pick.
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That's just it. Wilkes' system is predicated on getting pressure with 4, and since we're literally down to our 5th and 6th string DEs, we're not getting consistent pressures AT ALL. Much of this is bad luck, a ton is Myles Garrett's fault, and some blame is on John Dorsey. Genard Avery gets traded and doesn't play at all and then we lose Vernon for basically the year. Why trade him? Makes no sense. Making matters worse, Dorsey drafted Chad freakin Thomas in the THIRD ROUND and that guy is totally worthless. Dorsey missed on Corbett and Thomas in subsequent rounds. You can't do that! Regardless of getting Chubb with the extra 2nd rounder.
Actually, I thought Chad Thomas had several pressures, and a sack on Sunday. Didn't he?
Actually, I thought Chad Thomas had several pressures, and a sack on Sunday. Didn't he?
His pressure came off a blown assignment where he was unblocked and Dalton threw it away on 3rd down. Not sure about a sack...I can't seem to picture it. However, The 5th and 6th string DEs are playing better than him. Chad Thomas generally has one "flash play" a game, but other than that, he's garbage. He's bad against the pass and worse against the run (his supposed speciality). Trust me, he's atrocious.
His overall grade against a degenerative offensive line was abominable. Not decent, not even bad...it was abominable. You remember all those times Dalton had 30 minutes in the pocket? Chad Thomas. Do you recall Joe Mixon running all over the place? Chad Thomas. Do you perhaps RECOLLECT Andy Dalton leading the Bengals on drives lasting 6 minutes, 8 minutes, 4 minutes, and 5 minutes? Chad Thomas.
OK, I was having a bit of fun, and obviously the entire state of the defense can't be blamed on this guy, but trust the Jiggins...he's hot garbage and Dorsey totally effed us yet again on another pick. You know who Dorsey's best pick might be? Sheldrick Redwine. A guy I thought had NO chance but has really started grading out well lately.
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Actually, I thought Chad Thomas had several pressures, and a sack on Sunday. Didn't he?
His pressure came off a blown assignment where he was unblocked and Dalton threw it away on 3rd down. Not sure about a sack...I can't seem to picture it. However, The 5th and 6th string DEs are playing better than him. Chad Thomas generally has one "flash play" a game, but other than that, he's garbage. He's bad against the pass and worse against the run (his supposed speciality). Trust me, he's atrocious.
His overall grade against a degenerative offensive line was abominable. Not decent, not even bad...it was abominable. You remember all those times Dalton had 30 minutes in the pocket? Chad Thomas. Do you recall Joe Mixon running all over the place? Chad Thomas. Do you perhaps RECOLLECT Andy Dalton leading the Bengals on drives lasting 6 minutes, 8 minutes, 4 minutes, and 5 minutes? Chad Thomas.
OK, I was having a bit of fun, and obviously the entire state of the defense can't be blamed on this guy, but trust the Jiggins...he's hot garbage and Dorsey totally effed us yet again on another pick. You know who Dorsey's best pick might be? Sheldrick Redwine. A guy I thought had NO chance but has really started grading out well lately.
His pressure came off a blown assignment where he was unblocked and Dalton threw it away on 3rd down. Not sure about a sack...I can't seem to picture it. However, The 5th and 6th string DEs are playing better than him. Chad Thomas generally has one "flash play" a game, but other than that, he's garbage. He's bad against the pass and worse against the run (his supposed speciality). Trust me, he's atrocious.
Sorry, but I don't trust you on this. I am not saying he is spectacular....but there is enough variance of opinion on him that your word is not determinative.
Here are his stats for the year:
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/players-roster/chad-thomas/
4 sacks, which is pretty fair for a non starter.
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His pressure came off a blown assignment where he was unblocked and Dalton threw it away on 3rd down. Not sure about a sack...I can't seem to picture it. However, The 5th and 6th string DEs are playing better than him. Chad Thomas generally has one "flash play" a game, but other than that, he's garbage. He's bad against the pass and worse against the run (his supposed speciality). Trust me, he's atrocious.
Sorry, but I don't trust you on this. I am not saying he is spectacular....but there is enough variance of opinion on him that your word is not determinative.
Here are his stats for the year:
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/players-roster/chad-thomas/
4 sacks, which is pretty fair for a non starter.
Sorry, but I don't trust you on this. I am not saying he is spectacular....but there is enough variance of opinion on him that your word is not determinative.
Here are his stats for the year:
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/players-roster/chad-thomas/
4 sacks, which is pretty fair for a non starter.
Hehehehe. I get where you are coming from. Trust me. Chad will literally burst through the line once or twice a game and make you go, "Oooooooooooooo!"
But it's the consistency that kills him, especially against the run. I'm not someone who puts ALL his stock in PFF, but I tend to listen when they put out their game ratings. I want to say that Chad actually had a very solid game recently, but again, it's the consistency. Mostly, he's rated toward the bottom of the barrel.
And honestly, I'd be ecstatic for Chad Thomas' production if he was an undrafted free agent. But he's not. He's a 3rd round pick! Ugh.
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Sorry, but I don't trust you on this. I am not saying he is spectacular....but there is enough variance of opinion on him that your word is not determinative.
Here are his stats for the year:
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/players-roster/chad-thomas/
4 sacks, which is pretty fair for a non starter.
Hehehehe. I get where you are coming from. Trust me. Chad will literally burst through the line once or twice a game and make you go, "Oooooooooooooo!"
But it's the consistency that kills him, especially against the run. I'm not someone who puts ALL his stock in PFF, but I tend to listen when they put out their game ratings. I want to say that Chad actually had a very solid game recently, but again, it's the consistency. Mostly, he's rated toward the bottom of the barrel.
And honestly, I'd be ecstatic for Chad Thomas' production if he was an undrafted free agent. But he's not. He's a 3rd round pick! Ugh.
Hehehehe. I get where you are coming from. Trust me. Chad will literally burst through the line once or twice a game and make you go, "Oooooooooooooo!"
But it's the consistency that kills him, especially against the run. I'm not someone who puts ALL his stock in PFF, but I tend to listen when they put out their game ratings. I want to say that Chad actually had a very solid game recently, but again, it's the consistency. Mostly, he's rated toward the bottom of the barrel.
Well...he has been inactive for like 4 of the Browns games. You can't produce from the inactive list.
He has had 20 tackles in 9 games. Or 2.--- tackles per game. Not sure what is normal for a backup DE.
Should we expect a lot more from a third round pick? Perhaps.
But with Garrett out, and Vernon still sketchy....he is our guy, I guess, at this point in time. So, we are going to have to live with him.
And I still don't trust you.
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