Kitchens fate?
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Look who showed up! Where you been?
Though, I think that the college coach may not be the way to go.
Traveling and working, mostly. Decided to take a break from posting for a while and see how it affected my mental health. Glad to see many of the same guys are still posting, sad as shit to hear about Stan.
With the offensive talent we have, I just want a guy who can utilize it efficiently. I honestly don't care where he comes from. I was never happy with the Freddie hire, I think he lacks conviction and that's what is being reflected on the field.
Traveling and working, mostly. Decided to take a break from posting for a while and see how it affected my mental health. Glad to see many of the same guys are still posting, sad as shit to hear about Stan.
With the offensive talent we have, I just want a guy who can utilize it efficiently. I honestly don't care where he comes from. I was never happy with the Freddie hire, I think he lacks conviction and that's what is being reflected on the field.
Well....he lacks more than conviction. He may actually have conviction. I don't doubt his passion and desire to win. It is a lot of other things that he does not have. Start with competence.
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I really hope so. I can honestly say that he's made a lot of mistakes, but he's a rookie, right? Let's ask ourselves an important question. Are we getting better? It's not a simple question to answer.
The product on the field doesn't really inspire confidence, as we still struggle to score points, our defense is gummi bear soft, and we have a constant lack of big play ability. Despite having the leading rusher in the league, we STILL struggle to have any fluidity to our attack, and our drives are all too often herky-jerky and a jumbled mess. The defense is hamstrung by injuries and by one of the biggest blunders by a player this century. I'm of course talking about Myles Garrett, and I thoroughly believe he legitimately cost us a chance at the post season.
But back to the question at hand, are we getting better? We've now won 4-5, and it likely SHOULD have been 5 in a row. Football is a team game, but I feel confident in placing this loss squarely on the shoulders of Garrett. While the product isn't necessarily PLEASING to watch all the time, our team is finding ways to win ugly. Do you guys even realize how big of a step that is? HOW MANY years have we bemoaned the fact that we couldn't win the close, ugly ones?
Listen, I'm the first one to say how annoyed I am at certain things regarding our team. Kitchens doesn't seem to have the best grasp of when to pass vs throw. Like I said in another post, the perfect example of this happened against the Bengals. We had it first and 10 on the 50 right after our only forced 3 and out of the game. We had ALL the momentum. It's a perfect time to dial up your favorite run play and try to assert your dominance while keeping the clock moving. What do we do? We go for the dagger with a deep shot to OBJ, only we can't cut it loose because we have a TE blocking their best pass rusher. Baker gets sacked and we're forced to pass twice more, both incompletions to OBJ.
I totally get that hindsight is 20/20, and maybe being aggressive is a good strategy when you're trying to win the game, but so often this year I felt like Kitchens was disconnected to situational football. You can't say we don't run it enough because Nick Chubb about leads the league in touches. It's more of WHEN those touches are called. But here's the thing, I honestly believe Kitchens is getting better. You may think that last week was a bad offensive performance, and you'd largely be right. However, look at our drives. We moved the ball virtually every time, but Baker threw a bad pick on a WIDE OPEN receiver, and we also got screwed by that Njoku fumble/pick. Other than that, our effing defense never got us the rock back.
Perhaps the biggest reason I don't want a new staff is because of Baker Mayfield. I don't want him to learn a new system, as we know first hand what that does to a young signal caller. I realize Baker struggled this year, but I also know what he's capable of doing and I want him focused on improving what he already knows, NOT trying to learn something else.
I think we're built for the future, and with the right tweaks, we could have an offense that legitimately terrifies people on the ground and air. Let's give it another year and see where we stand.
Well thought out post, Jigs. I totally get the point about not wanting ANOTHER coaching change after 1 season. I get it. But I worry Freddie just doesn't have it in him, no matter how many chances he's given. I don't think the players respect him. Baker hinted that he is the discipline dearth cause. Let's put it this way: What would this team be with Ron Rivera or Mike McCarthy running the ship? I say a playoff team.
Well thought out post, Jigs. I totally get the point about not wanting ANOTHER coaching change after 1 season. I get it. But I worry Freddie just doesn't have it in him, no matter how many chances he's given. I don't think the players respect him. Baker hinted that he is the discipline dearth cause. Let's put it this way: What would this team be with Ron Rivera or Mike McCarthy running the ship? I say a playoff team.
I'll agree the level of discipline between Williams and Freddie is night and day. And it's not likely to change. I'm sure those who were being attentive saw Landry jawing at Freddie on the sidelines. MKC reported seeing Dorsey and Haslam after the game, and they both looked mighty pissed....
Regarding McCarthy- I saw a interview they (think it was ESPN) did with Mike- and if you want him- you're not only going to get him, you get the whole package that goes with him. He's already got most of his assistant coaches in place.....
Was watching the Eagles/Redskins earlier and the Fox announcers were playing up the fact that Urban was watching the game from Dan Browns box. They even had a graphic of the Redskin coaches records. While I don't believe Urban will coach anytime soon. What are the thoughts of him being a Brown?
I'd be for Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game. Meyer could almost universally get any player he wanted at OSU- the school almost recruits itself if you have pro aspirations. Urban certainly doesn't need anymore money, or the stress of coaching in the NFL.
hate to say this but you are wrong....the discipline factor will never change with the coach we have now....you have to act like the pats do...they don't care how good you are but if you fuck up like garrett did, the pats would have cut his ass the next day regardless of how good he is...they would find a replacement right away and probably be successful....this team is full of undisciplined football players and that is not going to chg. unless we get a coach that can instill accountability...and it all leads to our piece of shit owner....and believe me, he is a piece of shit...
Hate on Haslam all you want- he's not going away any time soon.....
You're dead wrong about Garrett. The Patriots and no other team in the NFL would cut a player of Myles talent level for one outburst.
Believe me, I'm as frustrated as anyone after that debacle in the desert. But you have to have hope Dorsey will figure out what's gone wrong and try to fix it.
Traveling and working, mostly. Decided to take a break from posting for a while and see how it affected my mental health. Glad to see many of the same guys are still posting, sad as shit to hear about Stan.
With the offensive talent we have, I just want a guy who can utilize it efficiently. I honestly don't care where he comes from. I was never happy with the Freddie hire, I think he lacks conviction and that's what is being reflected on the field.
You nailed it there TCPO, that's going to be Kitchens undoing. Rookie HC or not, Freddie has a talent laden roster, and seriously under performed using it. If he's one and done, it won't surprise me in the least. This is a totally different situation than when Chud got shown the door after one season.
Sure, Baker regressing hasn't helped his cause, but there's plenty of other things besides that where he's failed.
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We started off this season so full of hope that we have finally threw off the ghosts of our past but the first game made us crash so hard and fast. Oh did I want an opening day win. I watched that game on line and it made me hearken back to the "glory days" of 1 and 16 and our perfect season of 0 and 16. I knew from that game on this was going to be a long season of bitter disappointments. I don't know where the blame lies or even if it's justified. We have a rookie head coach with an immature QB that keeps a "deadpool" list on his locker room door. We have a perennial star receiving corp and running back that I dare say revivals "St" Jim Brown. We have the 3rd youngest team and our defense cornerstone should be a MMA fighter instead of an edge rusher. Should the owner fire the coach? Hell no, he hired him and the owner should ride this screwed up roller coast to the end and only let him go only if we go 0 and 16 under his sterling coaching. May be we just expected too much from a QB that is more interested in settling scores than scoring touchdowns. When we drafted Baker I thought it was a mistake but that late season run in 2018 made me reconsider and I looked forward to the 2019 season and not just to see if we could manage a number 1 draft pick...again. My selection for the Browns QB in 2018 was Josh Allen and he really floundered in 2018 but he kept his mouth shut "a trait Baker should learn from", learned and led the Bills to the playoffs this year. Wow! Next year we will not be as lucky as we were this year regarding an easy schedule. I say we should keep Baker and Kitchens to the bitter end, it's just too bad we will ruin the careers of many real football players like Chubb and Schobert. Misery loves company.
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We started off this season so full of hope that we have finally threw off the ghosts of our past but the first game made us crash so hard and fast. Oh did I want an opening day win. I watched that game on line and it made me hearken back to the "glory days" of 1 and 16 and our perfect season of 0 and 16. I knew from that game on this was going to be a long season of bitter disappointments. I don't know where the blame lies or even if it's justified. We have a rookie head coach with an immature QB that keeps a "deadpool" list on his locker room door. We have a perennial star receiving corp and running back that I dare say revivals "St" Jim Brown. We have the 3rd youngest team and our defense cornerstone should be a MMA fighter instead of an edge rusher. Should the owner fire the coach? Hell no, he hired him and the owner should ride this screwed up roller coast to the end and only let him go only if we go 0 and 16 under his sterling coaching. May be we just expected too much from a QB that is more interested in settling scores than scoring touchdowns. When we drafted Baker I thought it was a mistake but that late season run in 2018 made me reconsider and I looked forward to the 2019 season and not just to see if we could manage a number 1 draft pick...again. My selection for the Browns QB in 2018 was Josh Allen and he really floundered in 2018 but he kept his mouth shut "a trait Baker should learn from", learned and led the Bills to the playoffs this year. Wow! Next year we will not be as lucky as we were this year regarding an easy schedule. I say we should keep Baker and Kitchens to the bitter end, it's just too bad we will ruin the careers of many real football players like Chubb and Schobert. Misery loves company.
My selection for the Browns QB in 2018 was Josh Allen and he really floundered in 2018 but he kept his mouth shut "a trait Baker should learn from", learned and led the Bills to the playoffs this year.
I agree with much of what you're saying, but don't forget Josh Allen has a DEFENSE. What's Baker's record if his defense could force a punt? The Steelers scored 10 points against them. And don't forget, we somehow BEAT the Bills. I don't even know where to begin...it's such a shit show, and it's going to get worse. In about 6 days.
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We started off this season so full of hope that we have finally threw off the ghosts of our past but the first game made us crash so hard and fast. Oh did I want an opening day win. I watched that game on line and it made me hearken back to the "glory days" of 1 and 16 and our perfect season of 0 and 16. I knew from that game on this was going to be a long season of bitter disappointments. I don't know where the blame lies or even if it's justified. We have a rookie head coach with an immature QB that keeps a "deadpool" list on his locker room door. We have a perennial star receiving corp and running back that I dare say revivals "St" Jim Brown. We have the 3rd youngest team and our defense cornerstone should be a MMA fighter instead of an edge rusher. Should the owner fire the coach? Hell no, he hired him and the owner should ride this screwed up roller coast to the end and only let him go only if we go 0 and 16 under his sterling coaching. May be we just expected too much from a QB that is more interested in settling scores than scoring touchdowns. When we drafted Baker I thought it was a mistake but that late season run in 2018 made me reconsider and I looked forward to the 2019 season and not just to see if we could manage a number 1 draft pick...again. My selection for the Browns QB in 2018 was Josh Allen and he really floundered in 2018 but he kept his mouth shut "a trait Baker should learn from", learned and led the Bills to the playoffs this year. Wow! Next year we will not be as lucky as we were this year regarding an easy schedule. I say we should keep Baker and Kitchens to the bitter end, it's just too bad we will ruin the careers of many real football players like Chubb and Schobert. Misery loves company.
We started off this season so full of hope that we have finally threw off the ghosts of our past but the first game made us crash so hard and fast. Oh did I want an opening day win. I watched that game on line and it made me hearken back to the "glory days" of 1 and 16 and our perfect season of 0 and 16. I knew from that game on this was going to be a long season of bitter disappointments. I don't know where the blame lies or even if it's justified. We have a rookie head coach with an immature QB that keeps a "deadpool" list on his locker room door. We have a perennial star receiving corp and running back that I dare say revivals "St" Jim Brown. We have the 3rd youngest team and our defense cornerstone should be a MMA fighter instead of an edge rusher. Should the owner fire the coach? Hell no, he hired him and the owner should ride this screwed up roller coast to the end and only let him go only if we go 0 and 16 under his sterling coaching. May be we just expected too much from a QB that is more interested in settling scores than scoring touchdowns. When we drafted Baker I thought it was a mistake but that late season run in 2018 made me reconsider and I looked forward to the 2019 season and not just to see if we could manage a number 1 draft pick...again. My selection for the Browns QB in 2018 was Josh Allen and he really floundered in 2018 but he kept his mouth shut "a trait Baker should learn from", learned and led the Bills to the playoffs this year. Wow! Next year we will not be as lucky as we were this year regarding an easy schedule. I say we should keep Baker and Kitchens to the bitter end, it's just too bad we will ruin the careers of many real football players like Chubb and Schobert. Misery loves company.
I mostly agree with you. I do hope they have a change of heart and keep Schobert around. Looks like he's not looking to break the bank to stick around.
But as to us having a tougher schedule next year- not so fast my friend. We play the NFC East- er, least. And the AFC South. Right now the wildcard games (we're pretty much locked into 3rd in the division) will be the Jets and Broncos or Chargers. https://fbschedules.com/nfl-2020/team/cleveland-browns
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My selection for the Browns QB in 2018 was Josh Allen and he really floundered in 2018 but he kept his mouth shut "a trait Baker should learn from", learned and led the Bills to the playoffs this year.
I agree with much of what you're saying, but don't forget Josh Allen has a DEFENSE. What's Baker's record if his defense could force a punt? The Steelers scored 10 points against them. And don't forget, we somehow BEAT the Bills. I don't even know where to begin...it's such a shit show, and it's going to get worse. In about 6 days.
I agree with much of what you're saying, but don't forget Josh Allen has a DEFENSE. What's Baker's record if his defense could force a punt? The Steelers scored 10 points against them. And don't forget, we somehow BEAT the Bills. I don't even know where to begin...it's such a shit show, and it's going to get worse. In about 6 days.
Regarding our defense, we lost Kirksey early on, and then helmet swinging Garrett. Vernon been out with a bum knee, and Burnett is on IR. But that's no excuse. Look no farther than the Steelers with the number of injuries they've had, and they're still in playoff contention.
Take the Browns minus Baker, Chubb, and Landry- we'd be in contention for a top five pick- easy.
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I agree with much of what you're saying, but don't forget Josh Allen has a DEFENSE. What's Baker's record if his defense could force a punt? The Steelers scored 10 points against them. And don't forget, we somehow BEAT the Bills. I don't even know where to begin...it's such a shit show, and it's going to get worse. In about 6 days.
Regarding our defense, we lost Kirksey early on, and then helmet swinging Garrett. Vernon been out with a bum knee, and Burnett is on IR. But that's no excuse. Look no farther than the Steelers with the number of injuries they've had, and they're still in playoff contention.
Take the Browns minus Baker, Chubb, and Landry- we'd be in contention for a top five pick- easy.
Regarding our defense, we lost Kirksey early on, and then helmet swinging Garrett. Vernon been out with a bum knee, and Burnett is on IR. But that's no excuse. Look no farther than the Steelers with the number of injuries they've had, and they're still in playoff contention.
Take the Browns minus Baker, Chubb, and Landry- we'd be in contention for a top five pick- easy.
That's just it. I totally realize we lost a bunch of people on defense for various reasons, but nothing, and I mean NOTHING can explain how we gave up chunks of yardage to teams like the Bengals and Cardinals. From the very first drive, the Cardinals AND Bengals just took it right to us. I've never seen anything like yesterday, though. Never seen a game where a very bad team just flat out got 10-15 yards on virtually every play.
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And anyone who thinks Freddie is "Safe" at this point is fooling themselves. He will get a mulligan if they get blown out by the Ratbirds next week, but lose to the Bungles week 17, you're one and done.....
Not saying he's safe... just playing the odds.
So long as the team doesn't lay down and quit prior to the end of the season, I see Freddie's return.
Our first and only one-and-done HC was let go because the team was seen as regressing as the season progressed. This was supported by a 3-2 start preceding a 1-11 finish. And despite all the evidence the owner was lambasted for the move to such a degree that he stuck with a HC who went winless in his 2nd season after a 1-15 season.
The 2019 team has won 4 of its last 6... 2 of 4 with its best player on the shelf.
Fire him. Fire Wilks. Give Lincoln Riley every dollar in Haslam's piggy bank. Let a computer pick defensive plays.
About damn time... been way too many folks agreeing with me 'round here. 🥷
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Well thought out post, Jigs. I totally get the point about not wanting ANOTHER coaching change after 1 season. I get it. But I worry Freddie just doesn't have it in him, no matter how many chances he's given. I don't think the players respect him. Baker hinted that he is the discipline dearth cause. Let's put it this way: What would this team be with Ron Rivera or Mike McCarthy running the ship? I say a playoff team.
I'll agree the level of discipline between Williams and Freddie is night and day. And it's not likely to change. I'm sure those who were being attentive saw Landry jawing at Freddie on the sidelines. MKC reported seeing Dorsey and Haslam after the game, and they both looked mighty pissed....
Regarding McCarthy- I saw a interview they (think it was ESPN) did with Mike- and if you want him- you're not only going to get him, you get the whole package that goes with him. He's already got most of his assistant coaches in place.....
Was watching the Eagles/Redskins earlier and the Fox announcers were playing up the fact that Urban was watching the game from Dan Browns box. They even had a graphic of the Redskin coaches records. While I don't believe Urban will coach anytime soon. What are the thoughts of him being a Brown?
I'd be for Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game. Meyer could almost universally get any player he wanted at OSU- the school almost recruits itself if you have pro aspirations. Urban certainly doesn't need anymore money, or the stress of coaching in the NFL.
hate to say this but you are wrong....the discipline factor will never change with the coach we have now....you have to act like the pats do...they don't care how good you are but if you fuck up like garrett did, the pats would have cut his ass the next day regardless of how good he is...they would find a replacement right away and probably be successful....this team is full of undisciplined football players and that is not going to chg. unless we get a coach that can instill accountability...and it all leads to our piece of shit owner....and believe me, he is a piece of shit...
Hate on Haslam all you want- he's not going away any time soon.....
You're dead wrong about Garrett. The Patriots and no other team in the NFL would cut a player of Myles talent level for one outburst.
Believe me, I'm as frustrated as anyone after that debacle in the desert. But you have to have hope Dorsey will figure out what's gone wrong and try to fix it.
Traveling and working, mostly. Decided to take a break from posting for a while and see how it affected my mental health. Glad to see many of the same guys are still posting, sad as shit to hear about Stan.
With the offensive talent we have, I just want a guy who can utilize it efficiently. I honestly don't care where he comes from. I was never happy with the Freddie hire, I think he lacks conviction and that's what is being reflected on the field.
You nailed it there TCPO, that's going to be Kitchens undoing. Rookie HC or not, Freddie has a talent laden roster, and seriously under performed using it. If he's one and done, it won't surprise me in the least. This is a totally different situation than when Chud got shown the door after one season.
Sure, Baker regressing hasn't helped his cause, but there's plenty of other things besides that where he's failed.
Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game. Urban certainly doesn't need anymore money, or the stress of coaching in the NFL.
Most sources around here say Urban responded to a personal invite from Bucks WR Terry McLaurin... don't see it happening without a GM he'd trust or hand pick..
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Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game. Urban certainly doesn't need anymore money, or the stress of coaching in the NFL.
Most sources around here say Urban responded to a personal invite from Bucks WR Terry McLaurin... don't see it happening without a GM he'd trust or hand pick..
Most sources around here say Urban responded to a personal invite from Bucks WR Terry McLaurin... don't see it happening without a GM he'd trust or hand pick..
True enough. Urban has enough clout he can call his own shots- and Washington & Snyder isn't where it's happening.
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The only thing Kitchens seems qualified to do is sweep floors... He should apply for custodian at the new HS school facility they are building in Euclid... The place is Mammoth!!
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Well thought out post, Jigs. I totally get the point about not wanting ANOTHER coaching change after 1 season. I get it. But I worry Freddie just doesn't have it in him, no matter how many chances he's given. I don't think the players respect him. Baker hinted that he is the discipline dearth cause. Let's put it this way: What would this team be with Ron Rivera or Mike McCarthy running the ship? I say a playoff team.
I'll agree the level of discipline between Williams and Freddie is night and day. And it's not likely to change. I'm sure those who were being attentive saw Landry jawing at Freddie on the sidelines. MKC reported seeing Dorsey and Haslam after the game, and they both looked mighty pissed....
Regarding McCarthy- I saw a interview they (think it was ESPN) did with Mike- and if you want him- you're not only going to get him, you get the whole package that goes with him. He's already got most of his assistant coaches in place.....
Was watching the Eagles/Redskins earlier and the Fox announcers were playing up the fact that Urban was watching the game from Dan Browns box. They even had a graphic of the Redskin coaches records. While I don't believe Urban will coach anytime soon. What are the thoughts of him being a Brown?
I'd be for Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game. Meyer could almost universally get any player he wanted at OSU- the school almost recruits itself if you have pro aspirations. Urban certainly doesn't need anymore money, or the stress of coaching in the NFL.
hate to say this but you are wrong....the discipline factor will never change with the coach we have now....you have to act like the pats do...they don't care how good you are but if you fuck up like garrett did, the pats would have cut his ass the next day regardless of how good he is...they would find a replacement right away and probably be successful....this team is full of undisciplined football players and that is not going to chg. unless we get a coach that can instill accountability...and it all leads to our piece of shit owner....and believe me, he is a piece of shit...
Hate on Haslam all you want- he's not going away any time soon.....
You're dead wrong about Garrett. The Patriots and no other team in the NFL would cut a player of Myles talent level for one outburst.
Believe me, I'm as frustrated as anyone after that debacle in the desert. But you have to have hope Dorsey will figure out what's gone wrong and try to fix it.
Traveling and working, mostly. Decided to take a break from posting for a while and see how it affected my mental health. Glad to see many of the same guys are still posting, sad as shit to hear about Stan.
With the offensive talent we have, I just want a guy who can utilize it efficiently. I honestly don't care where he comes from. I was never happy with the Freddie hire, I think he lacks conviction and that's what is being reflected on the field.
You nailed it there TCPO, that's going to be Kitchens undoing. Rookie HC or not, Freddie has a talent laden roster, and seriously under performed using it. If he's one and done, it won't surprise me in the least. This is a totally different situation than when Chud got shown the door after one season.
Sure, Baker regressing hasn't helped his cause, but there's plenty of other things besides that where he's failed.
I'd be for Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game.
Super advance scouting for when he takes the Cowboy's job...
BTW... Chris Mortensen said today that he doubted Urban was doing anything, but visiting former players yesterday.... BUT...
... he has previously commented about what a desirable job that the Dallas HC position is. ?
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Here are my two cents for what it worth. I am not in favor of axing Freddie..........yet. Will see how the last couple games play out. I have been underwhelmed by Steve Wilks for one. The D is gone to hell since Garret and Vernon have been out and the run D yesterday was atrocious. Problems I have seen with Freddie this year include discipline, time management, overly aggressive, gets too pass happy. Some of this has been improved to varying degrees over the course of the season. Somethings you would think would be self evident like, lets not hurry up and run a plays at the end of the half so Russel Wilson can then get the ball and have time to score. Stuff like that was just stupid.
Also I say get rid of Lindley, I don't think he is doing anything to help Baker be a better QB. Lets get someone who is experienced brought in to help Baker out. I want Baker to have that moxy to go deep, but also the have the good sense to know when you can take the shorter play when its open that still gets you the first down. Baker went from one of the best in the red zone last year to one of the worst this year. To me a lot of that comes down to coaching. So I would axe Wilks and Lindley for sure, maybe the DL coach too and keep the rest with everyone on notice. Lets see if Freddie can learn from year one and make jump just like we always talk about players making a jump in year two.
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I agree with much of what you're saying, but don't forget Josh Allen has a DEFENSE. What's Baker's record if his defense could force a punt? The Steelers scored 10 points against them. And don't forget, we somehow BEAT the Bills. I don't even know where to begin...it's such a shit show, and it's going to get worse. In about 6 days.
Regarding our defense, we lost Kirksey early on, and then helmet swinging Garrett. Vernon been out with a bum knee, and Burnett is on IR. But that's no excuse. Look no farther than the Steelers with the number of injuries they've had, and they're still in playoff contention.
Take the Browns minus Baker, Chubb, and Landry- we'd be in contention for a top five pick- easy.
Regarding our defense, we lost Kirksey early on, and then helmet swinging Garrett. Vernon been out with a bum knee, and Burnett is on IR. But that's no excuse. Look no farther than the Steelers with the number of injuries they've had, and they're still in playoff contention.
Take the Browns minus Baker, Chubb, and Landry- we'd be in contention for a top five pick- easy.
How do you think the Steelers would be faring if they had the Browns coaching staff?
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Regarding our defense, we lost Kirksey early on, and then helmet swinging Garrett. Vernon been out with a bum knee, and Burnett is on IR. But that's no excuse. Look no farther than the Steelers with the number of injuries they've had, and they're still in playoff contention.
Take the Browns minus Baker, Chubb, and Landry- we'd be in contention for a top five pick- easy.
How do you think the Steelers would be faring if they had the Browns coaching staff?
How do you think the Steelers would be faring if they had the Browns coaching staff?
And I'll let you tell me how the Browns would be doing if they had the Steelers coaching staff.
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Urban. I have no idea why he was at the Redskins game. Urban certainly doesn't need anymore money, or the stress of coaching in the NFL.
Most sources around here say Urban responded to a personal invite from Bucks WR Terry McLaurin... don't see it happening without a GM he'd trust or hand pick..
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It was stated that Fat Freddy is safe UNLESS there was a horrible melt down. The cards was a pretty horrible meltdown. I guess this board missed the UNLESS part. Freddy is a deaddy
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Here are my two cents for what it worth. I am not in favor of axing Freddie..........yet. Will see how the last couple games play out. I have been underwhelmed by Steve Wilks for one. The D is gone to hell since Garret and Vernon have been out and the run D yesterday was atrocious. Problems I have seen with Freddie this year include discipline, time management, overly aggressive, gets too pass happy. Some of this has been improved to varying degrees over the course of the season. Somethings you would think would be self evident like, lets not hurry up and run a plays at the end of the half so Russel Wilson can then get the ball and have time to score. Stuff like that was just stupid.
Also I say get rid of Lindley, I don't think he is doing anything to help Baker be a better QB. Lets get someone who is experienced brought in to help Baker out. I want Baker to have that moxy to go deep, but also the have the good sense to know when you can take the shorter play when its open that still gets you the first down. Baker went from one of the best in the red zone last year to one of the worst this year. To me a lot of that comes down to coaching. So I would axe Wilks and Lindley for sure, maybe the DL coach too and keep the rest with everyone on notice. Lets see if Freddie can learn from year one and make jump just like we always talk about players making a jump in year two.
Lets get someone who is experienced brought in to help Baker out. I want Baker to have that moxy to go deep, but also the have the good sense to know when you can take the shorter play when its open that still gets you the first down. Baker went from one of the best in the red zone last year to one of the worst this year.
It isn't even just the red zone now. How many times have you seen the wide open close in receiver have the ball thrown right over his head for an INT further downfield? I turned it off after the first one Sunday. Can't stand dumb and it's become a really bad habit.
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Landry being pissed is the end of the line for Freddie. Fred is dead.
Never mind the otherwise total shit show against a team you should at least be competitive against. ?
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