The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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lots of offense talks but The defense is trash and I know Myles is out. And Wilkes maybe hindering any progress (he needs to be fired).
We could use a playmaker at Safety. If Jamal Adams is truly available he could be a guy we target.
Wilks is running primarily this 4-2-5 defense. Which I think I hate.
And as yesterday prove, that is susceptible to having other teams run you right out of the house.
So, while perhaps the primary need is for OL.....we still need help, I believe, at all 3 levels of defense: DL, LB, DB. Best available among them of OL would be the way to go.
Wilks is running primarily this 4-2-5 defense. Which I think I hate.
And as yesterday prove, that is susceptible to having other teams run you right out of the house.
So, while perhaps the primary need is for OL.....we still need help, I believe, at all 3 levels of defense: DL, LB, DB. Best available among them of OL would be the way to go.
and he will still run the four two five d which i hate also....and we will get the same results....he sucks as a dc....he is as bad as hillbilly freddy is as hc....
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Just a note: technically, apparently the Browns are NOT eliminated. I guess it would take a very weird combination of factors for them to stay alive, but mathematically I guess that is possible. Probably less than a 1% chance.
we have eight tenths chance to make the playoffs...saw it today on espn.....so now that the season is over and i think they will get smacked around the last 2 games based on the way they played yesterday, i guess it's time to talk draft....ho hum....its like every fucking season now for 21 yrs, lets talk about the draft...lets talk about the draft...kind of sick of this shit....
we have eight tenths chance to make the playoffs...saw it today on espn.....so now that the season is over and i think they will get smacked around the last 2 games based on the way they played yesterday, i guess it's time to talk draft....ho hum....its like every fucking season now for 21 yrs, lets talk about the draft...lets talk about the draft...kind of sick of this shit....
Well, I think it is apparent that this team has quit on Ferd.
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Tackling was one of the few negatives in their predraft analysis if I remember correctly.
And He’s actually flashed a few times here and made plays at the LOS.
The problem I see- He doesn’t play in anyone’s hip pocket. He doesn’t locate the ball well. And he doesn’t utilize his typically superior speed and athleticism.
As a team we’ve given too much cushion all year the problem with that we are also getting beat deep in chunk plays too. You hope at the very least it’s one or the other.
Whatever coverage we ran yesterday didn’t include the zone in the middle of our defense. Every Baker pass was contested, Every Murray pass was a pass into a soft zone where it was pitch/catch and YAC.
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The only statement this defense has made the last three weeks - they don’t want Wilks and Freddie back next year
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Tackling was one of the few negatives in their predraft analysis if I remember correctly.
In Greedy's case I remember the same about his "willingness"and early I saw signs of this. However, as I've posted elsewhere I've been surprised/pleased with the improvement I've seen since his return to the line up. Improvement that includes the above mentioned TFLs he's made.
The questions about Ward's tackling that I recall were more along the lines of whether his body would hold up for how aggressive he is. We saw that play out last year with the two(?) concussions he suffered. So far no recurrence this season, IIRC, but also missing is the level of productivity he flashed as a rookie. Are they both products of a more cautious approach? I dunno...
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Well, we made it to December before talking draft.
Baby steps, I suppose.
Well, we made it to December before talking draft.
Baby steps, I suppose.
Yeah, very baby step. I think we were eliminated the same time last year.
We will have played a LOT of this season without our 2 starting edge rushers. In a pass & rush the passer league, that's a big issue. Your D is just NOT gonna be that good if QB's get a lot of time to pass.
Do we need to draft a DE? As Vernon insurance? Or can we add there in free agency?
What are we doing at LB'er? What's up with Shobert? (he's productive!) - Are we going to continue to play a 4-2-5? (we need to know that before FA)
The turnstile that is our OL needs 2 tackles and a guard. That's going to require FA & the draft.
...and TE has been a turnstile.....and unexpectedly, #3 & 4 receiver.....(Callaway & Higgins disappeared, never to come back)
Many of us had offensive concerns because of the OL.....and then our DL went 'POOF'.
----------- a very strange season this was ------------
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Wilks is running primarily this 4-2-5 defense. Which I think I hate.
And as yesterday prove, that is susceptible to having other teams run you right out of the house.
So, while perhaps the primary need is for OL.....we still need help, I believe, at all 3 levels of defense: DL, LB, DB. Best available among them of OL would be the way to go.
and he will still run the four two five d which i hate also....and we will get the same results....he sucks as a dc....he is as bad as hillbilly freddy is as hc....
and he will still run the four two five d which i hate also....and we will get the same results....he sucks as a dc....he is as bad as hillbilly freddy is as hc....
4-2-5 brings Nickel to mind. Our base is a 4-3 with a Safety (Burris) filling the Will slot and he plays as the Will. When we go Nickel Burris is replaced by Carrie.
In any scheme it's the personnel that make or break it? Is Burris the ideal Will? Probably not, but FWIW he grades out at PFF as our 2nd best starting LB.
Like it or not undersized, LB/DB hybrids are the Modern D's response to the WR/TE hybrids that have taken hold... and as the league morphs towards more RPO oriented attacks, the hybrid LB is going to be part of that response as well.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
and he will still run the four two five d which i hate also....and we will get the same results....he sucks as a dc....he is as bad as hillbilly freddy is as hc....
4-2-5 brings Nickel to mind. Our base is a 4-3 with a Safety (Burris) filling the Will slot and he plays as the Will. When we go Nickel Burris is replaced by Carrie.
In any scheme it's the personnel that make or break it? Is Burris the ideal Will? Probably not, but FWIW he grades out at PFF as our 2nd best starting LB.
Like it or not undersized, LB/DB hybrids are the Modern D's response to the WR/TE hybrids that have taken hold... and as the league morphs towards more RPO oriented attacks, the hybrid LB is going to be part of that response as well.
4-2-5 brings Nickel to mind. Our base is a 4-3 with a Safety (Burris) filling the Will slot and he plays as the Will. When we go Nickel Burris is replaced by Carrie.
Prior to the start of the season I was interested in seeing the 4-2-5 work. I thought it was a nice idea in today's passing NFL. And you're IN the nickle quite a bit anyway. The catch is, you've still gotta stop the run. And not just at the goal line with your jumbo package.
It's disappointing to not reach the playoffs....finally.....but the fact is, we're just not good enough. We've got too many weak areas. We weren't gonna DO anything in the playoffs. It's defense that wins championships...and our crippled D wasn't going to be able to do that. And besides that, it's offense that's needed to GET to the playoffs so that your D can win you the championship....and our offense is not consistent enough.
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You know what would help the 4-2-5 work well?
A team that scores a lot of points and puts opposing teams in consistent catch-up mode.
That is not the Browns, so teams just get physical with the Browns and run it down their throats.
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and he will still run the four two five d which i hate also....and we will get the same results....he sucks as a dc....he is as bad as hillbilly freddy is as hc....
4-2-5 brings Nickel to mind. Our base is a 4-3 with a Safety (Burris) filling the Will slot and he plays as the Will. When we go Nickel Burris is replaced by Carrie.
In any scheme it's the personnel that make or break it? Is Burris the ideal Will? Probably not, but FWIW he grades out at PFF as our 2nd best starting LB.
Like it or not undersized, LB/DB hybrids are the Modern D's response to the WR/TE hybrids that have taken hold... and as the league morphs towards more RPO oriented attacks, the hybrid LB is going to be part of that response as well.
4-2-5 brings Nickel to mind. Our base is a 4-3 with a Safety (Burris) filling the Will slot and he plays as the Will. When we go Nickel Burris is replaced by Carrie.
In any scheme it's the personnel that make or break it? Is Burris the ideal Will? Probably not, but FWIW he grades out at PFF as our 2nd best starting LB.
Well...since we are only playing 2 LBs.....being second best also means being last, no?
LIke, Michael Spinks came in 2d best to Mike Tyson....even though Tyson knocked him out in like 91 seconds.
Like it or not undersized, LB/DB hybrids are the Modern D's response to the WR/TE hybrids that have taken hold... and as the league morphs towards more RPO oriented attacks, the hybrid LB is going to be part of that response as well.
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You know what would help the 4-2-5 work well?
A team that scores a lot of points and puts opposing teams in consistent catch-up mode.
That is not the Browns, so teams just get physical with the Browns and run it down their throats.
You know what would help the 4-2-5 work well?
A team that scores a lot of points and puts opposing teams in consistent catch-up mode.
That is not the Browns,
But it's what they were 'supposed' to be! OBJ, Landry, Chubb, Callaway, Higgins, Baker!!
Remember when Freddie tried to attack the end of the first half against Seattle? When he tried to score, then hold them, and then score again? He, and we, found out that they weren't that explosive, killer offense. One time, early in the season, he won the coin flip and elected to receive. He wanted his explosive offense to come out and set the tone, win the crowd, start the momentum. Not to be...
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I imagine a lot of teams are in some kind of nickel a lot of the time now
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Here's some draft talk for you. Take the following 1st round scenario I came across playing with one of the draft sims, First-Pick.
- Cinci trades out of the #1 overall with JAX. They figure one of the two top QBs will be there at #8, their next pick. JAX selects Chase Young with the #1 overall.
- NYG takes one of the hotter Edge prospects, AJ Epesa, Iowa.
- MIA takes a LT... Tristen Wirfs, Iowa... surprising, but they have more 1sts with which to get a QB (they take Hebert later).
- NYJ trades up with WSH to take the other hot LT prospect, Andrew Thomas, UGA...
- DET takes the hot LB prospect... Clemson's Isaiah Simmons.
- AZ is on the clock...
- You know from pre-draft discussions (or playing the sim earlier) that if you offer AZ your 2020 and 2021 #1's they will likely say yes.
- The three players you were (or at least I was) targeting (Wirfs, Thomas, Simmons) when you had the early convos with AZ are all gone, but...
- Joe Burrows is there.
Do you call AZ and make the offer?
If not for Joe, is there another prospect you think worth the price, e.g., Delpit, LSU's Safety, or Buckeye CB, Okudah?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's some draft talk for you. Take the following 1st round scenario I came across playing with one of the draft sims, First-Pick.
- Cinci trades out of the #1 overall with JAX. They figure one of the two top QBs will be there at #8, their next pick. JAX selects Chase Young with the #1 overall.
- NYG takes one of the hotter Edge prospects, AJ Epesa, Iowa.
- MIA takes a LT... Tristen Wirfs, Iowa... surprising, but they have more 1sts with which to get a QB (they take Hebert later).
- NYJ trades up with WSH to take the other hot LT prospect, Andrew Thomas, UGA...
- DET takes the hot LB prospect... Clemson's Isaiah Simmons.
- AZ is on the clock...
- You know from pre-draft discussions (or playing the sim earlier) that if you offer AZ your 2020 and 2021 #1's they will likely say yes.
- The three players you were (or at least I was) targeting (Wirfs, Thomas, Simmons) when you had the early convos with AZ are all gone, but...
- Joe Burrows is there.
Do you call AZ and make the offer?
If not for Joe, is there another prospect you think worth the price, e.g., Delpit, LSU's Safety, or Buckeye CB, Okudah?
Here's some draft talk for you. Take the following 1st round scenario I came across playing with one of the draft sims, First-Pick.
- Cinci trades out of the #1 overall with JAX. They figure one of the two top QBs will be there at #8, their next pick. JAX selects Chase Young with the #1 overall.
- NYG takes one of the hotter Edge prospects, AJ Epesa, Iowa.
- MIA takes a LT... Tristen Wirfs, Iowa... surprising, but they have more 1sts with which to get a QB (they take Hebert later).
- NYJ trades up with WSH to take the other hot LT prospect, Andrew Thomas, UGA...
- DET takes the hot LB prospect... LSU's Isaiah Simmons.
- AZ is on the clock...
- You know from pre-draft discussions (or playing the sim earlier) that if you offer AZ your 2020 and 2021 #1's they will likely say yes.
- The three players you were (or at least I was) targeting (Wirfs, Thomas, Simmons) when you had the early convos with AZ are all gone, but...
- Joe Burrows is there.
Do you call AZ and make the offer?
If not for Joe, is there another prospect you think worth the price, e.g., Delpit, LSU's Safety, or Buckeye CB, Okudah?
LB I.Simmons plays at The' Clemson University
...My BPA is Auburn DT Derrick Brown...need is S Delpit..we get Bake a Vet not named Stanton..
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Here's some draft talk for you. Take the following 1st round scenario I came across playing with one of the draft sims, First-Pick.
- Cinci trades out of the #1 overall with JAX. They figure one of the two top QBs will be there at #8, their next pick. JAX selects Chase Young with the #1 overall.
- NYG takes one of the hotter Edge prospects, AJ Epesa, Iowa.
- MIA takes a LT... Tristen Wirfs, Iowa... surprising, but they have more 1sts with which to get a QB (they take Hebert later).
- NYJ trades up with WSH to take the other hot LT prospect, Andrew Thomas, UGA...
- DET takes the hot LB prospect... LSU's Isaiah Simmons.
- AZ is on the clock...
- You know from pre-draft discussions (or playing the sim earlier) that if you offer AZ your 2020 and 2021 #1's they will likely say yes.
- The three players you were (or at least I was) targeting (Wirfs, Thomas, Simmons) when you had the early convos with AZ are all gone, but...
- Joe Burrows is there.
Do you call AZ and make the offer?
If not for Joe, is there another prospect you think worth the price, e.g., Delpit, LSU's Safety, or Buckeye CB, Okudah?
LB I.Simmons plays at The' Clemson University
...My BPA is Auburn DT Derrick Brown...need is S Delpit..we get Bake a Vet not named Stanton..
LB I.Simmons plays at The' Clemson University
...My BPA is Auburn DT Derrick Brown...need is S Delpit..we get Bake a Vet not named Stanton..
Fixed... don't know why, but every year I give LSU an extra prospect or two.
Brown's a top DL to be sure, but seems rich for two #1s... as does Delpit. Okudah might be that good, but not a trade I'd make for him.
FWIW... I took Burrows... ?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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LB I.Simmons plays at The' Clemson University
...My BPA is Auburn DT Derrick Brown...need is S Delpit..we get Bake a Vet not named Stanton..
Fixed... don't know why, but every year I give LSU an extra prospect or two.
Brown's a top DL to be sure, but seems rich for two #1s... as does Delpit. Okudah might be that good, but not a trade I'd make for him.
FWIW... I took Burrows... ?
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LB I.Simmons plays at The' Clemson University
...My BPA is Auburn DT Derrick Brown...need is S Delpit..we get Bake a Vet not named Stanton..
Fixed... don't know why, but every year I give LSU an extra prospect or two.
Brown's a top DL to be sure, but seems rich for two #1s... as does Delpit. Okudah might be that good, but not a trade I'd make for him.
FWIW... I took Burrows... ?
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Burrow isn't making it out of the top
52.FIFY...
Yeah... I hear you, but if he did would you go get him?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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