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  • Not that I think it would make her a favorite of mainstream Republicans Tulsi Gabbert voted present.

    Maybe it's a political strategy and it's worked to an extent with some Republicans who find themselves getting more airtime because they speak out against other members of their own party. I don't know that it lasts very long into the general election but it does help keep one's name in the news.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Not that I think it would make her a favorite of mainstream Republicans Tulsi Gabbert voted present.

    WSS

    I dipped in to see how the natives were handling the attempted impeachment of President Midol.

    I actually like Gabbard but no way she wins with how partisan things are now. 

  • Remember add to cart it's much easier than proceed to checkout.

    ???

    WSS

  • See y'all at the trial...

    @tour2ma said:

    See y'all at the trial...

    what, get all dressed up and have no where to go?

  • If you voted for Impeachment you are not an American.

    Absolute mockery of the Americans who voted for Trump.

    Imagine having  a POTUS who does what he was elected on....time for the Democratic Party to disband.

  • If you voted for Impeachment you are not an American.

    Absolute mockery of the Americans who voted for Trump.

    Imagine having  a POTUS who does what he was elected on....time for the Democratic Party to disband.

    @hammertime said:

    Imagine having  a POTUS who does what he was elected on....time for the Democratic Party to disband.

    Imagine half a nation and an entire party turning itself into a flock of bleating sheep asking a dear leader to sheer them them yet again.

    Oh wait. That's already happened.................................................................Nazi Germany. Congrats to the former Republicans everywhere. Bah Humbug!????

  • @hammertime said:

    Imagine having  a POTUS who does what he was elected on....time for the Democratic Party to disband.

    Imagine half a nation and an entire party turning itself into a flock of bleating sheep asking a dear leader to sheer them them yet again.

    Oh wait. That's already happened.................................................................Nazi Germany. Congrats to the former Republicans everywhere. Bah Humbug!????

    @texasag1969 said:

    Imagine half a nation and an entire party turning itself into a flock of bleating sheep asking a dear leader to sheer them them yet again.

    Oh wait. That's already happened.................................................................Nazi Germany. Congrats to the former Republicans everywhere. Bah Humbug!????

    The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) ? 

  • In the past it would be normal to respect that every one deserves to have their own opinion.

    That notion is not guaranteed anymore due to the absolute criminal proceedings we’re witnessing.

    Your type is gonna fade out Tex...truth is gonna prevail.

  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/01/18/under_the_new_trump_standard_why_wasnt_obama_impeached_136029.html

    Interesting article and RealClearPolitics doesn't seem to be slanted really hard one way or the other. I MO

    WSS

  • Conservative Washington Times Op-Ed from Fox Commentator. 

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/trump-impeachment-undisputed-evidence-that-he-abus/

    From the Op-Ed:

    "James Madison, the author of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, feared a government that was strong enough to protect the people would become too strong for the people to control. It would use its powers not for the nation’s betterment but its own. When the government fails to control itself, he argued, when the president becomes a law unto himself by violating the laws that pertain to all others, the remedy is impeachment.

    The framers’ greatest fear was a president who would unlawfully put his own needs above the nation’s or who would drag a foreign government into our domestic affairs. Mr. Trump has tried to do both and threatened to repeat those attempts. That’s why the remedy of impeachment is acutely needed."

  • once napolitano got suspended from Fox, he's been all leftie. He doesn't want

    antifa, the leftist half of the media coming after him.

    After Fox, he couldn't make any more appearances in the media.

    So, he had to switched sides. You'd think Juan Williams would have learned his lesson...

  • Conservative Washington Times Op-Ed from Fox Commentator. 

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/trump-impeachment-undisputed-evidence-that-he-abus/

    From the Op-Ed:

    "James Madison, the author of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, feared a government that was strong enough to protect the people would become too strong for the people to control. It would use its powers not for the nation’s betterment but its own. When the government fails to control itself, he argued, when the president becomes a law unto himself by violating the laws that pertain to all others, the remedy is impeachment.

    The framers’ greatest fear was a president who would unlawfully put his own needs above the nation’s or who would drag a foreign government into our domestic affairs. Mr. Trump has tried to do both and threatened to repeat those attempts. That’s why the remedy of impeachment is acutely needed."

    @texasag1969 said:

    Conservative Washington Times Op-Ed from Fox Commentator. 

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/trump-impeachment-undisputed-evidence-that-he-abus/

    From the Op-Ed:

    "James Madison, the author of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, feared a government that was strong enough to protect the people would become too strong for the people to control. It would use its powers not for the nation’s betterment but its own. When the government fails to control itself, he argued, when the president becomes a law unto himself by violating the laws that pertain to all others, the remedy is impeachment.

    The framers’ greatest fear was a president who would unlawfully put his own needs above the nation’s or who would drag a foreign government into our domestic affairs. Mr. Trump has tried to do both and threatened to repeat those attempts. That’s why the remedy of impeachment is acutely needed."

    The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Imagine half a nation and an entire party turning itself into a flock of bleating sheep asking a dear leader to sheer them them yet again.

    Oh wait. That's already happened.................................................................Nazi Germany. Congrats to the former Republicans everywhere. Bah Humbug!????

    The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) ? 

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) ? 

    And some  people just can't  handle  the  guy responsible  is a slimeball. Germany was going  gangbusters  pre WW II run by that little  guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of  scary. That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable.  And this wasn't the first time  either. 

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House. 

    Trump's  never going to get tossed out of  office, (at least  before  November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the  standard  going forward, because hopefully the  American  electorate will vote for a president  who's better qualified for the office. 

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) ? 

    And some  people just can't  handle  the  guy responsible  is a slimeball. Germany was going  gangbusters  pre WW II run by that little  guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of  scary. That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable.  And this wasn't the first time  either. 

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House. 

    Trump's  never going to get tossed out of  office, (at least  before  November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the  standard  going forward, because hopefully the  American  electorate will vote for a president  who's better qualified for the office. 

    @hoorta said:

    And some  people just can't  handle  the  guy responsible  is a slimeball. Germany was going  gangbusters  pre WW II run by that little  guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of  scary. That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable.  And this wasn't the first time  either. 

    Trump's  never going to get tossed out of  office, (at least  before  November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the  standard  going forward, because hopefully the  American  electorate will vote for a president  who's better qualified for the office. 

    You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long.      Time to pass it over this way.

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  • See y'all at the trial...

    @tour2ma said:

    See y'all at the trial...

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  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) ? 

    And some  people just can't  handle  the  guy responsible  is a slimeball. Germany was going  gangbusters  pre WW II run by that little  guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of  scary. That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable.  And this wasn't the first time  either. 

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House. 

    Trump's  never going to get tossed out of  office, (at least  before  November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the  standard  going forward, because hopefully the  American  electorate will vote for a president  who's better qualified for the office. 

    @hoorta said:

    That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable. 

    how is it NOT debatable? My goodness.... if using Executive Privilege to establish the continuing

    necessary ability to converse with important staff at all, were considered "obstructing Congress"....

       come on, now. lol. I mean, seriously. lol When Clinton, Nixon and ObaMao used it, it was for glaringly

    legit reasons other than protecting the exec branch/presidency.

    Pres Trump - the mueller three year investigation turned up NOTHING. and that is with sixteen anti-trump aggressive prosecutors after it. Pres Trump gave a ton of evidence over to them.

       The lefties in the House have been on a tidal wave fishing exhibition. No good reason for it, either.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-presidents-use-executive-privilege

    Bill Clinton

    The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.

    His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.

    Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.

    Barack Obama

    President Obama’s most famous use of executive privilege came during the “Fast and Furious” scandal. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had run an operation to sell guns to Mexico, in the hope that they could track those weapons to major drug cartels and apprehend some of their members. The guns were not able to be tracked and one was eventually used in the killing of a border patrol agent.

    Representative Darrell Issa and Senator Chuck Grassley held hearings to determine what went wrong during the mission. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder both said they did not know about it until a few weeks prior to the killing and did not authorize it. Congress and the Department of Justice ended up in a standoff over the sharing of 1,300 documents, leading Obama to assert executive privilege in order to keep them private. In retaliation, Congress voted to cite Holder for contempt of Congress.

    Much like Nixon and Clinton, Obama’s claim of executive privilege was rejected by a federal court, and the documents were turned over.

    Clearly, in the last half-century, executive privilege has lost some of its luster. But while executive privilege may be on the ropes after several defeats in court over the years, history indicates that President Donald J. Trump and future Presidents will continue to call upon this power—and the courts will continue to judge its necessity.

    Chris Calabrese is an intern at the National Constitution Center. He is also a recent graduate of St. Joseph’s University.

  • @hoorta said:

    That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable. 

    how is it NOT debatable? My goodness.... if using Executive Privilege to establish the continuing

    necessary ability to converse with important staff at all, were considered "obstructing Congress"....

       come on, now. lol. I mean, seriously. lol When Clinton, Nixon and ObaMao used it, it was for glaringly

    legit reasons other than protecting the exec branch/presidency.

    Pres Trump - the mueller three year investigation turned up NOTHING. and that is with sixteen anti-trump aggressive prosecutors after it. Pres Trump gave a ton of evidence over to them.

       The lefties in the House have been on a tidal wave fishing exhibition. No good reason for it, either.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-presidents-use-executive-privilege

    Bill Clinton

    The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.

    His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.

    Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.

    Barack Obama

    President Obama’s most famous use of executive privilege came during the “Fast and Furious” scandal. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had run an operation to sell guns to Mexico, in the hope that they could track those weapons to major drug cartels and apprehend some of their members. The guns were not able to be tracked and one was eventually used in the killing of a border patrol agent.

    Representative Darrell Issa and Senator Chuck Grassley held hearings to determine what went wrong during the mission. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder both said they did not know about it until a few weeks prior to the killing and did not authorize it. Congress and the Department of Justice ended up in a standoff over the sharing of 1,300 documents, leading Obama to assert executive privilege in order to keep them private. In retaliation, Congress voted to cite Holder for contempt of Congress.

    Much like Nixon and Clinton, Obama’s claim of executive privilege was rejected by a federal court, and the documents were turned over.

    Clearly, in the last half-century, executive privilege has lost some of its luster. But while executive privilege may be on the ropes after several defeats in court over the years, history indicates that President Donald J. Trump and future Presidents will continue to call upon this power—and the courts will continue to judge its necessity.

    Chris Calabrese is an intern at the National Constitution Center. He is also a recent graduate of St. Joseph’s University.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Bill Clinton

    The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.

    His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.

    Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.

    LOL Cal the Republicans claimed  the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.

    God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....  

    @tiamat63 said:

    You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long.      Time to pass it over this way.

    Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. FWIW, any Republican who isn't Donald.... 

    There's a reason Trump went  after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd. 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Bill Clinton

    The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.

    His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.

    Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.

    LOL Cal the Republicans claimed  the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.

    God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....  

    @tiamat63 said:

    You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long.      Time to pass it over this way.

    Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. FWIW, any Republican who isn't Donald.... 

    There's a reason Trump went  after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd. 

    @hoorta said:

    LOL Cal the Republicans claimed  the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.

    God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....  

    Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. 

    There's a reason Trump went  after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd. 

    There are plenty of viable 3rd party candidates.  Just not enough people with the principle or bravery to cast their vote for them.

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