Happy Impeachment Day!
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The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) ?
And some people just can't handle the guy responsible is a slimeball. Germany was going gangbusters pre WW II run by that little guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of scary. That the Donald obstructed a Congressional investigation isn't debatable. And this wasn't the first time either.
The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House.
Trump's never going to get tossed out of office, (at least before November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the standard going forward, because hopefully the American electorate will vote for a president who's better qualified for the office.
That the Donald obstructed a Congressional investigation isn't debatable.
how is it NOT debatable? My goodness.... if using Executive Privilege to establish the continuing
necessary ability to converse with important staff at all, were considered "obstructing Congress"....
come on, now. lol. I mean, seriously. lol When Clinton, Nixon and ObaMao used it, it was for glaringly
legit reasons other than protecting the exec branch/presidency.
Pres Trump - the mueller three year investigation turned up NOTHING. and that is with sixteen anti-trump aggressive prosecutors after it. Pres Trump gave a ton of evidence over to them.
The lefties in the House have been on a tidal wave fishing exhibition. No good reason for it, either.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-presidents-use-executive-privilege
Bill Clinton
The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.
His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.
Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.
Barack Obama
President Obama’s most famous use of executive privilege came during the “Fast and Furious” scandal. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had run an operation to sell guns to Mexico, in the hope that they could track those weapons to major drug cartels and apprehend some of their members. The guns were not able to be tracked and one was eventually used in the killing of a border patrol agent.
Representative Darrell Issa and Senator Chuck Grassley held hearings to determine what went wrong during the mission. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder both said they did not know about it until a few weeks prior to the killing and did not authorize it. Congress and the Department of Justice ended up in a standoff over the sharing of 1,300 documents, leading Obama to assert executive privilege in order to keep them private. In retaliation, Congress voted to cite Holder for contempt of Congress.
Much like Nixon and Clinton, Obama’s claim of executive privilege was rejected by a federal court, and the documents were turned over.
Clearly, in the last half-century, executive privilege has lost some of its luster. But while executive privilege may be on the ropes after several defeats in court over the years, history indicates that President Donald J. Trump and future Presidents will continue to call upon this power—and the courts will continue to judge its necessity.
Chris Calabrese is an intern at the National Constitution Center. He is also a recent graduate of St. Joseph’s University.
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That the Donald obstructed a Congressional investigation isn't debatable.
how is it NOT debatable? My goodness.... if using Executive Privilege to establish the continuing
necessary ability to converse with important staff at all, were considered "obstructing Congress"....
come on, now. lol. I mean, seriously. lol When Clinton, Nixon and ObaMao used it, it was for glaringly
legit reasons other than protecting the exec branch/presidency.
Pres Trump - the mueller three year investigation turned up NOTHING. and that is with sixteen anti-trump aggressive prosecutors after it. Pres Trump gave a ton of evidence over to them.
The lefties in the House have been on a tidal wave fishing exhibition. No good reason for it, either.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-presidents-use-executive-privilege
Bill Clinton
The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.
His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.
Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.
Barack Obama
President Obama’s most famous use of executive privilege came during the “Fast and Furious” scandal. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had run an operation to sell guns to Mexico, in the hope that they could track those weapons to major drug cartels and apprehend some of their members. The guns were not able to be tracked and one was eventually used in the killing of a border patrol agent.
Representative Darrell Issa and Senator Chuck Grassley held hearings to determine what went wrong during the mission. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder both said they did not know about it until a few weeks prior to the killing and did not authorize it. Congress and the Department of Justice ended up in a standoff over the sharing of 1,300 documents, leading Obama to assert executive privilege in order to keep them private. In retaliation, Congress voted to cite Holder for contempt of Congress.
Much like Nixon and Clinton, Obama’s claim of executive privilege was rejected by a federal court, and the documents were turned over.
Clearly, in the last half-century, executive privilege has lost some of its luster. But while executive privilege may be on the ropes after several defeats in court over the years, history indicates that President Donald J. Trump and future Presidents will continue to call upon this power—and the courts will continue to judge its necessity.
Chris Calabrese is an intern at the National Constitution Center. He is also a recent graduate of St. Joseph’s University.
Bill Clinton
The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.
His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.
Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.
LOL Cal the Republicans claimed the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.
God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....
You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long. Time to pass it over this way.
Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. FWIW, any Republican who isn't Donald....
There's a reason Trump went after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd.
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Bill Clinton
The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.
His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.
Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.
LOL Cal the Republicans claimed the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.
God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....
You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long. Time to pass it over this way.
Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. FWIW, any Republican who isn't Donald....
There's a reason Trump went after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd.
LOL Cal the Republicans claimed the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.
God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....
Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump.
There's a reason Trump went after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd.
There are plenty of viable 3rd party candidates. Just not enough people with the principle or bravery to cast their vote for them.
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And some people just can't handle the guy responsible is a slimeball. Germany was going gangbusters pre WW II run by that little guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of scary. That the Donald obstructed a Congressional investigation isn't debatable. And this wasn't the first time either.
Trump's never going to get tossed out of office, (at least before November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the standard going forward, because hopefully the American electorate will vote for a president who's better qualified for the office.
You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long. Time to pass it over this way.
You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long. Time to pass it over this way.
Fine with me as long as plenty of the tards on your side vote for AOC or Bernie or or Elizabeth Warren or whoever the hell. ?
Face it 3rd party candidates have been a little bit shaky and not, in my opinion, worthy of pissing away the chance to have somebody closer to your own views.
WSS
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LOL Cal the Republicans claimed the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.
God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....
Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump.
There's a reason Trump went after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd.
There are plenty of viable 3rd party candidates. Just not enough people with the principle or bravery to cast their vote for them.
There are plenty of viable 3rd party candidates. Just not enough people with the principle or bravery to cast their vote for them.
Like whom?
WSS
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Like whom?
WSS
I'll work on this ^^^^
Fine with me as long as plenty of the tards on your side vote for AOC or Bernie or or Elizabeth Warren or whoever the hell. ?
Face it 3rd party candidates have been a little bit shaky and not, in my opinion, worthy of pissing away the chance to have somebody closer to your own views.
WSS
When you finally wrap your head around the bolded part that I've been telling YOU since I began reading this board- I am not a registered democrat, I am not a liberal, I have not voted for a democrat in any national level election. That would include Obama ( not like he was a "liberal" though) I'm like a parent that has to tell the child half a dozen times because for whatever reason it isn't registering with you. I have NO side. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be with those clowns. I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm not "mad bro" as I type this. I genuinely need to understand if you're having trouble processing the things you read from me.
Repeat this back in your head. Then, at your earliest convenience, type it out, or copy and paste.... I don't give a damn, 10 times in a row in a response. Do that.... and then maybe we'll get to potential candidates I have my eye on. But I'm not having a dialogue with anyone who can't even begin to grasp the very basics of things I've said... Christ knows how many times now......? And if you're going to say that I've never mentioned my 3rd party preference, my disdain for Repubs and Dems, or that you just haven't paid attention (yet somehow you're going to lump me in with the other dearly departed on this board) then the only thing saving you from the ignore list is that mod tag.
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Like whom?
WSS
I'll work on this ^^^^
Fine with me as long as plenty of the tards on your side vote for AOC or Bernie or or Elizabeth Warren or whoever the hell. ?
Face it 3rd party candidates have been a little bit shaky and not, in my opinion, worthy of pissing away the chance to have somebody closer to your own views.
WSS
When you finally wrap your head around the bolded part that I've been telling YOU since I began reading this board- I am not a registered democrat, I am not a liberal, I have not voted for a democrat in any national level election. That would include Obama ( not like he was a "liberal" though) I'm like a parent that has to tell the child half a dozen times because for whatever reason it isn't registering with you. I have NO side. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be with those clowns. I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm not "mad bro" as I type this. I genuinely need to understand if you're having trouble processing the things you read from me.
Repeat this back in your head. Then, at your earliest convenience, type it out, or copy and paste.... I don't give a damn, 10 times in a row in a response. Do that.... and then maybe we'll get to potential candidates I have my eye on. But I'm not having a dialogue with anyone who can't even begin to grasp the very basics of things I've said... Christ knows how many times now......? And if you're going to say that I've never mentioned my 3rd party preference, my disdain for Repubs and Dems, or that you just haven't paid attention (yet somehow you're going to lump me in with the other dearly departed on this board) then the only thing saving you from the ignore list is that mod tag.
I'll work on this ^^^^
When you finally wrap your head around the bolded part that I've been telling YOU since I began reading this board- I am not a registered democrat, I am not a liberal, I have not voted for a democrat in any national level election. That would include Obama ( not like he was a "liberal" though) I'm like a parent that has to tell the child half a dozen times because for whatever reason it isn't registering with you. I have NO side. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be with those clowns. I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm not "mad bro" as I type this. I genuinely need to understand if you're having trouble processing the things you read from me.
Repeat this back in your head. Then, at your earliest convenience, type it out, or copy and paste.... I don't give a damn, 10 times in a row in a response. Do that.... and then maybe we'll get to potential candidates I have my eye on. But I'm not having a dialogue with anyone who can't even begin to grasp the very basics of things I've said... Christ knows how many times now......? And if you're going to say that I've never mentioned my 3rd party preference, my disdain for Repubs and Dems, or that you just haven't paid attention (yet somehow you're going to lump me in with the other dearly departed on this board) then the only thing saving you from the ignore list is that mod tag.
Don't be coy. In this case you know damn well I mean the people on your side who can't stand Trump.
So you pick an independent that you're throwing your weight behind and take it from there. I'm going to guess that he won't be to the right of the Republican party, just a hunch.
Right or wrong?
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Like whom?
WSS
I'll work on this ^^^^
Fine with me as long as plenty of the tards on your side vote for AOC or Bernie or or Elizabeth Warren or whoever the hell. ?
Face it 3rd party candidates have been a little bit shaky and not, in my opinion, worthy of pissing away the chance to have somebody closer to your own views.
WSS
When you finally wrap your head around the bolded part that I've been telling YOU since I began reading this board- I am not a registered democrat, I am not a liberal, I have not voted for a democrat in any national level election. That would include Obama ( not like he was a "liberal" though) I'm like a parent that has to tell the child half a dozen times because for whatever reason it isn't registering with you. I have NO side. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be with those clowns. I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm not "mad bro" as I type this. I genuinely need to understand if you're having trouble processing the things you read from me.
Repeat this back in your head. Then, at your earliest convenience, type it out, or copy and paste.... I don't give a damn, 10 times in a row in a response. Do that.... and then maybe we'll get to potential candidates I have my eye on. But I'm not having a dialogue with anyone who can't even begin to grasp the very basics of things I've said... Christ knows how many times now......? And if you're going to say that I've never mentioned my 3rd party preference, my disdain for Repubs and Dems, or that you just haven't paid attention (yet somehow you're going to lump me in with the other dearly departed on this board) then the only thing saving you from the ignore list is that mod tag.
I'll work on this ^^^^
When you finally wrap your head around the bolded part that I've been telling YOU since I began reading this board- I am not a registered democrat, I am not a liberal, I have not voted for a democrat in any national level election. That would include Obama ( not like he was a "liberal" though) I'm like a parent that has to tell the child half a dozen times because for whatever reason it isn't registering with you. I have NO side. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be with those clowns. I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm not "mad bro" as I type this. I genuinely need to understand if you're having trouble processing the things you read from me.
Repeat this back in your head. Then, at your earliest convenience, type it out, or copy and paste.... I don't give a damn, 10 times in a row in a response. Do that.... and then maybe we'll get to potential candidates I have my eye on. But I'm not having a dialogue with anyone who can't even begin to grasp the very basics of things I've said... Christ knows how many times now......? And if you're going to say that I've never mentioned my 3rd party preference, my disdain for Repubs and Dems, or that you just haven't paid attention (yet somehow you're going to lump me in with the other dearly departed on this board) then the only thing saving you from the ignore list is that mod tag.
As you said that's always been a constant for certain people on this board. It's easier to just assume anyone that disagrees with you on one thing must be "the enemy" and disagree with you on everything. Easier to put them in a box. If you always vote straight ticket and refuse to even think otherwise, you'd assume others are the same.
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I think Hallmark showed an add with a gay couple though guys. I think that's where the outrage is supposed to be right now.
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I'll work on this ^^^^
When you finally wrap your head around the bolded part that I've been telling YOU since I began reading this board- I am not a registered democrat, I am not a liberal, I have not voted for a democrat in any national level election. That would include Obama ( not like he was a "liberal" though) I'm like a parent that has to tell the child half a dozen times because for whatever reason it isn't registering with you. I have NO side. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be with those clowns. I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm not "mad bro" as I type this. I genuinely need to understand if you're having trouble processing the things you read from me.
Repeat this back in your head. Then, at your earliest convenience, type it out, or copy and paste.... I don't give a damn, 10 times in a row in a response. Do that.... and then maybe we'll get to potential candidates I have my eye on. But I'm not having a dialogue with anyone who can't even begin to grasp the very basics of things I've said... Christ knows how many times now......? And if you're going to say that I've never mentioned my 3rd party preference, my disdain for Repubs and Dems, or that you just haven't paid attention (yet somehow you're going to lump me in with the other dearly departed on this board) then the only thing saving you from the ignore list is that mod tag.
As you said that's always been a constant for certain people on this board. It's easier to just assume anyone that disagrees with you on one thing must be "the enemy" and disagree with you on everything. Easier to put them in a box. If you always vote straight ticket and refuse to even think otherwise, you'd assume others are the same.
As you said that's always been a constant for certain people on this board. It's easier to just assume anyone that disagrees with you on one thing must be "the enemy" and disagree with you on everything. Easier to put them in a box. If you always vote straight ticket and refuse to even think otherwise, you'd assume others are the same.
You should pick the candidate or candidates that most closely espouse the platform's you support. That's all there is to it. If that's a third-party candidate vote your conscience but be aware that will probably split the vote and had the election to the candidate you at least agree with.
That's the way I see it. I don't think anyone can convince me I'm wrong unless your vote it's only meant as a personal moral victory.
WSS
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I think Hallmark showed an add with a gay couple though guys. I think that's where the outrage is supposed to be right now.
I think Hallmark showed an add with a gay couple though guys. I think that's where the outrage is supposed to be right now.
I would vote for mayor Pete over AOC or Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat.
But I know it excites you to pretend it's a big deal.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Bill Clinton
The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.
His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.
Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.
LOL Cal the Republicans claimed the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.
God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....
You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long. Time to pass it over this way.
Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. FWIW, any Republican who isn't Donald....
There's a reason Trump went after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd.
LOL Cal the Republicans claimed the same obstruction crap on Clinton, and now say it's perfectly OK for Trump to pull the same garbage.
God, you guys have your heads so far up Trump's ass it's unbelievable....
Nope, all it will take is a solid Democratic vote along with a fair share of Moderate Republicans along with a few Independents who hate Trumps guts to swing the election the other way. To this point there's no viable 3rd party candidate, and I suspect voting "none of the above" will count as a vote for Trump. In case you forgot, Trump lost the popular vote, and the only reason he won is folks hated Hillary more. #Never Trump. FWIW, any Republican who isn't Donald....
There's a reason Trump went after Biden- because he rightly surmised Joe as a far bigger threat to his reelection than either Sanders or Warren. The religious right has no use for Pete- not because he's gay, but he'll 100% push the outer limits of the LBGT crowd.
Hoorta as far as I'm concerned Whitewater was nickel and dime. Oh there was probably some crooked shit going on with some sort of land deal among the movers and shakers in Arkansas and Bill probably had a few bucks in the the kitty. Who cares about Monica Lewinsky? That's one of the reasons you learn to play guitar make a lot of money play professional sports or run for public office.
Because you get more blowjobs than the guy that works at the hardware store.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
See y'all at the trial...
The back-and-forth rhetoric comes as Noah Feldman, the Harvard Law School professor who testified for Democrats at the impeachment inquiry earlier this month, wrote an explosive op-ed asserting that if Democrats do not forward the impeachment articles to the Senate as dictated by the Constitution, then Trump was never even impeached at all. The Constitution dictates that after impeachment by a majority in the House, a two-thirds vote is needed in the Senate to remove a president from office.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-impasse-trump-impeachment-trial-dems-cold-feet
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