The official Terry Pluto thread
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From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
I think, no I'm sure Terry is as pissed as all of us how the BROWNS basically threw away a whole season which had great expectations.
(And Terry is a religious guy he would probably not have used pissed.
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GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
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Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
I think, no I'm sure Terry is as pissed as all of us how the BROWNS basically threw away a whole season which had great expectations.
(And Terry is a religious guy he would probably not have used pissed.
)
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Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
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Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
The only thing that didn't jive with their prognostication was that in 2018 they were 7-8-1 with a rookie quarterback. 9, 10, 11+ wins was a very logical and attainable goal.
They just blew it !
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
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From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
Guessing because our defense is a sieve. And our offense is a far cry from a 'scoring machine'. And then there's Freddie who'll play anybody except Higgns & Njoku. There's two guys right there that many of us expected to have big seasons with OBJ & Landry drawing the coverage away from them. Nope, they can't find the field. One of 'em a 1st round pick. - At the end of the season ownership will probably want to know why a promising 1st round pick TE wasn't utilized in a losing record season.
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A gleam rather than a flicker would be awesome right about now.
No matter how many times I see the Shottenheimer "There's a gleam men..." video, I still have no idea what he's talking about. ?
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No matter how many times I see the Shottenheimer "There's a gleam men..." video, I still have no idea what he's talking about. ?
Really? Here is the gleam he was talking about:
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A little bit dated but...
WSS
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
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If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
If you’re a Pluto reader he pretty much painted the Haslams as such, except more diplomatically. Basically a couple of 1percenters who moved up into that upper echelon of 1 percenters who get to own sports franchises and jumped at the chance, but were pretty green at the whole thing and didn’t know what the hell they were doing or how to go about it.
He further portrays them as people who want to be successful at it, heart in the right place, put in the time and effort, yadda yadda, but alas, they are learning on the fly and follies have followed.
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And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
If you’re a Pluto reader he pretty much painted the Haslams as such, except more diplomatically. Basically a couple of 1percenters who moved up into that upper echelon of 1 percenters who get to own sports franchises and jumped at the chance, but were pretty green at the whole thing and didn’t know what the hell they were doing or how to go about it.
He further portrays them as people who want to be successful at it, heart in the right place, put in the time and effort, yadda yadda, but alas, they are learning on the fly and follies have followed.
If you’re a Pluto reader he pretty much painted the Haslams as such, except more diplomatically. Basically a couple of 1percenters who moved up into that upper echelon of 1 percenters who get to own sports franchises and jumped at the chance, but were pretty green at the whole thing and didn’t know what the hell they were doing or how to go about it.
You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.
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WSS
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
A month ago, I thought maybe Freddie could come back, but now? There's absolutely NO WAY in my mind that you can bring him back. I honestly think the last 2:09 in the first half of the Raven's game sealed the deal. We had a chance to go into the half up 6-0. I understand being aggressive, so I'm not going to give Freddie crap about trying to score when it was 6-0, but what I can't forgive is the halfback pass on 3rd and 1. Not when you need to get the clock moving, you MUST get the first down, and you already know the Ravens get the ball in the 2nd half. Let's suppose Freddie dials up a run on 3rd and 1 and we still don't get it, and we punt. The Ravens go down and score and we're down 7-6. At that point you HAVE to lick your wounds and go into the half down 1 point against the hottest team in the league. That MUST happen.
It didn't.
Why else is Freddie almost certainly toast?
1. The regression of Baker Mayfield.
2. A total lack of explosive offensive ability.
3. Perpetual arguments and blow-ups with players.
4. Choppy offensive playcalling, not getting plays called on time, never having timeouts.
5. Not scoring points, even against the bad defenses yet having the best RB in the league.
6. Not having a good feel of when to run versus pass. No "feel" for the game.
7. Red Zone nightmares.
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If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
Haslam was a minority shareholder of the Steelers before becoming owner of the Browns. I wrongly expected better of him because of that background and he has been a big disappointment. Under his ownership we have been a team continually building a foundation and then before we actually build anything we tear down the foundation again.
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And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
Haslam was a minority shareholder of the Steelers before becoming owner of the Browns. I wrongly expected better of him because of that background and he has been a big disappointment. Under his ownership we have been a team continually building a foundation and then before we actually build anything we tear down the foundation again.
Haslam was a minority shareholder of the Steelers before becoming owner of the Browns. I wrongly expected better of him because of that background and he has been a big disappointment. Under his ownership we have been a team continually building a foundation and then before we actually build anything we tear down the foundation again.
IMO the Haslams are the problem here. They ARE the foundation, the one consistent for the last several years, and they are a panicky couple who wilts when hardship ensues, and hardship inevitably ensues when you change coaches and GMs at the pace they’ve been going at.
They won’t stick to a plan. Good plan? Bad plan? We never get the chance to find out.
Going into the Sashi Brown era, they KNEW it was going to be a few years of painful and awful sucking. It’s detailed in Pluto’s book. There were “are you SURE you wanna do this?” conversations. “Yeah yeah, we’re committed...” was the response.
And it was as bad as we’ve seen it. Damn those were some awful years. And on the cusp of a turnaround, they hit the nuke button, so our current team is one guy’s fruits of another guy’s labors, and we don’t really get the chance to see what one guy’s vision looks like.
It’s a clusterfuck of sorts, and it’s been that way since we came back to the league.
I’m married to this team, no matter the form it takes. I truly bleed Brown and l have zero shame in that. It’s not decision makers l lay my alliance to but a culture and a city that l want so badly to know success.
This team badly needs a plan, a good plan, and the balls to stick to it.
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Terry Pluto today 5 am. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/cleveland-browns-owe-their-fans-a-thoughtful-christmas-present.html
Cleveland Browns GM John Dorsey (L) and owner Jimmy Haslam have to make some significant changes for next season. Photo by John Kuntz / cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Near the end of last Sunday’s Browns game, I looked at the mostly empty FirstEnergy Stadium.
I didn’t fault the fans for leaving early during the Browns 31-15 loss to Baltimore. It was the final home game of the season. It dropped their record to 6-9.
Making it worse, many in the stands were feeling deflated for good reason.
The team let them down. The entire organization let them down....... CONTINUED IN THE LINK.......
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