Our Bet, Draft specuation
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Actually, I would be the one letting YOU off....because I say "Young, no matter what" at #1, be it Bengals, Giants, Redskins whomever.
Maybe we should wait and see if the Bitchy Pussies do the trade before determining if the bet is off...for, if they don't the suggestion of letting the bet go is superfluous. I only brought it up because it was brought up on the radio.....and it does provide a subject for some interesting speculation.
Fair to say?
Bull, I said Burrow #1 to the Bengals, you're the one trying to muddy the waters.
Now you're trying to throw some trade crap in there? I was PERFECTLY clear what I meant. And Young ISN'T going to the Bengals at #1 regardless. Care to double down?
Bull, I said Burrow #1 to the Bengals, you're the one trying to muddy the waters.
It's going to be Burrow unless they're fools. I REALLY like him, and I think he would have EASILY been the first pick in the 2018 draft. Limited time as a starter, but his pocket awareness translates so freaking well IMO.
I'm officially terrified that Baker is ruined. You don't set rookie records and then all of the sudden start sucking. Something is going on and we all need to hope a new coaching staff can get him back on track. I wouldn't bet against Baker, but this entire season has been choppy as hell. Two steps forward, three backwards. He hasn't even feasted on the bad defenses, something he excelled at last year. I still believe in him, but let's be honest, next year will likely be the "put up or shut up" time of his young career.
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If I was Zombo I would change Gipper's handle to:
Muddy Waters
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If I was Zombo I would change Gipper's handle to:
Muddy Waters
If I was Zombo I would change Gipper's handle to:
Muddy Waters
Well, like I said, I brought it up only because national media types did, and because, again, like I said, I thought it could be an interesting subject for discussion : the possibility of the Bengals trading the pick. It could be that whether or not Hoorta and I had a bet going or not. It may be a bit premature now, but it was brought up elsewhere.
Or, are you diametrically opposed to having any matter that can be an interesting subject for discussion brought up here?
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If I was Zombo I would change Gipper's handle to:
Muddy Waters
Well, like I said, I brought it up only because national media types did, and because, again, like I said, I thought it could be an interesting subject for discussion : the possibility of the Bengals trading the pick. It could be that whether or not Hoorta and I had a bet going or not. It may be a bit premature now, but it was brought up elsewhere.
Or, are you diametrically opposed to having any matter that can be an interesting subject for discussion brought up here?
Well, like I said, I brought it up only because national media types did, and because, again, like I said, I thought it could be an interesting subject for discussion : the possibility of the Bengals trading the pick. It could be that whether or not Hoorta and I had a bet going or not. It may be a bit premature now, but it was brought up elsewhere.
Or, are you diametrically opposed to having any matter that can be an interesting subject for discussion brought up here?
Is it possible the Bengals would entertain trading the pick? Sure, anythings possible. But very, very unlikely they would do so. I've mentioned some draft rags are putting Joe on an Andrew Luck level of talent, and the Colts weren't trading out of #1 for Luck regardless of how silly the offers got. If Burrow shines in the playoffs, and brings the National championship to LSU, count on the Bengals asking price for the pick being prohibitive.
It will be at least three first round picks & a lot more.
& MHO that article suggesting a possible trade was just click bait, like Urban Meyer to the Browns level hot air.
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Well, like I said, I brought it up only because national media types did, and because, again, like I said, I thought it could be an interesting subject for discussion : the possibility of the Bengals trading the pick. It could be that whether or not Hoorta and I had a bet going or not. It may be a bit premature now, but it was brought up elsewhere.
Or, are you diametrically opposed to having any matter that can be an interesting subject for discussion brought up here?
Is it possible the Bengals would entertain trading the pick? Sure, anythings possible. But very, very unlikely they would do so. I've mentioned some draft rags are putting Joe on an Andrew Luck level of talent, and the Colts weren't trading out of #1 for Luck regardless of how silly the offers got. If Burrow shines in the playoffs, and brings the National championship to LSU, count on the Bengals asking price for the pick being prohibitive.
It will be at least three first round picks & a lot more.
& MHO that article suggesting a possible trade was just click bait, like Urban Meyer to the Browns level hot air.
Is it possible the Bengals would entertain trading the pick? Sure, anythings possible. But very, very unlikely they would do so. I've mentioned some draft rags are putting Joe on an Andrew Luck level of talent, and the Colts weren't trading out of #1 for Luck regardless of how silly the offers got. If Burrow shines in the playoffs, and brings the National championship to LSU, count on the Bengals asking price for the pick being prohibitive.
It will be at least three first round picks & a lot more.
OK, sure. Like I said, forget that we have a bet going.....As I said, this discussion on the radio involved a potential bidding war between the Redskins and Giants for the services of Young. IF the Bengals hold still, then the Redskins currently have the #2....and they would need to do nothing. But, as mentioned, what if the Giants were willing to give up a host in order to jump the Skins.
The difference between this situation and the LUck situation would be that there, any team that was offering to trade with Indy was in order to get Luck. Here, the trade offers would not be to get the QB the Bengals may want, but another player. The issue could be: Can the Bengals eat their cake and have it too: Could they still get Burrows...AND get something very valuable in addition. If the Bengals were shrewd (something they have never been accused of)...they could even say: Washington, give us your number 2 pick plus X, in order that we do not trade down with NYG. They get Burrows and X...whatever that may be. Their 2d round or 3rd round pick...or a future pick.
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Is it possible the Bengals would entertain trading the pick? Sure, anythings possible. But very, very unlikely they would do so. I've mentioned some draft rags are putting Joe on an Andrew Luck level of talent, and the Colts weren't trading out of #1 for Luck regardless of how silly the offers got. If Burrow shines in the playoffs, and brings the National championship to LSU, count on the Bengals asking price for the pick being prohibitive.
It will be at least three first round picks & a lot more.
OK, sure. Like I said, forget that we have a bet going.....As I said, this discussion on the radio involved a potential bidding war between the Redskins and Giants for the services of Young. IF the Bengals hold still, then the Redskins currently have the #2....and they would need to do nothing. But, as mentioned, what if the Giants were willing to give up a host in order to jump the Skins.
The difference between this situation and the LUck situation would be that there, any team that was offering to trade with Indy was in order to get Luck. Here, the trade offers would not be to get the QB the Bengals may want, but another player. The issue could be: Can the Bengals eat their cake and have it too: Could they still get Burrows...AND get something very valuable in addition. If the Bengals were shrewd (something they have never been accused of)...they could even say: Washington, give us your number 2 pick plus X, in order that we do not trade down with NYG. They get Burrows and X...whatever that may be. Their 2d round or 3rd round pick...or a future pick.
OK, sure. Like I said, forget that we have a bet going.....As I said, this discussion on the radio involved a potential bidding war between the Redskins and Giants for the services of Young. See below- there's NOT going to be a bidding war for Chase. Total fallacy. IF the Bengals hold still, then the Redskins currently have the #2....and they would need to do nothing. But, as mentioned, what if the Giants were willing to give up a host in order to jump the Skins.
The difference between this situation and the Luck situation would be that there, any team that was offering to trade with Indy was in order to get Luck. Here, the trade offers would not be to get the QB the Bengals may want, but another player. The issue could be: Can the Bengals eat their cake and have it too: Could they still get Burrows...AND get something very valuable in addition. If the Bengals were shrewd (something they have never been accused of)...they could even say: Washington, give us your number 2 pick plus X, in order that we do not trade down with NYG. They get Burrows and X...whatever that may be. Their 2d round or 3rd round pick...or a future pick.
That's where the hot air comes in Gipper- and whoever was speculating it doesn't know what the Sam Heck they're talking about. There is absolutely ZERO, no chance in hell the Bengals would trade down to the #4 hole. Because- of the possibility some QB needy team could jump up to the Lions #3 pick and take Burrow. <POOF> THERE GOES JOE. And I've already said- the Lions are stuck with Stafford for 2020, because of the $31 million cap hit on his contract. You can be certain Detroit's phone would be ringing off the hook if Burrow was still available at #3. Not only that if Young did go #1, the Redskins would be fielding deals for the #2 pick, because they already have Haskins. Yeah- and the Bengals would trade back up from #4 to #3- but the Bengals GM isn't Kevin Costner, and this isn't a recreation of Draft Day. Except maybe the guy suggesting something like that imagined it was.
Two other things that doofus wasn't considering. NO team is going to break the bank for a defensive player, regardless of his potential. Young isn't going to be valued that highly- except maybe in your mind. In case you missed it- Michigan pretty much neutralized him with double team blocking. Secondly- the Redskins will be dead certain the Bengals are taking Burrow, so why would they want to waste draft capital?
So the Bengals will take Joe, and the Redskins will be sitting pretty in the second hole and take Young. It's just too damn simple. Looks like the silly season is starting early.
The reality of the situation is you only trade up to #1 if you're taking a QB- the cost in draft capital is far too high to even remotely consider taking anything else.
PS- Historically, the Bengals don't do draft day trades, especially in the first round. I can't recall them ever doing so.
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The original proposition was the Bengals draft young at 1 vs the Bengals draft burrow at 1. Not young will be drafted at 1 vs Burrow will be drafted at 1. So you're statement above isn't sticking to the original proposition. Its changing the original proposition.
I agree that by the Bengals trading the #1 pick, the original proposition is changed. We/I never thought about the possibility of the Bengals trading down until I heard it stated on the radio.The original proposition was the Bengals draft young at 1 vs the Bengals draft burrow at 1. Not young will be drafted at 1 vs Burrow will be drafted at 1. So you're statement above isn't sticking to the original proposition. Its changing the original proposition.
I agree that by the Bengals trading the #1 pick, the original proposition is changed. We/I never thought about the possibility of the Bengals trading down until I heard it stated on the radio.Nope....if the Bengals don't pick Young at #1, you lose. It's that simple. Quit trying to manipulate the jury.
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The original proposition was the Bengals draft young at 1 vs the Bengals draft burrow at 1. Not young will be drafted at 1 vs Burrow will be drafted at 1. So you're statement above isn't sticking to the original proposition. Its changing the original proposition.
I agree that by the Bengals trading the #1 pick, the original proposition is changed. We/I never thought about the possibility of the Bengals trading down until I heard it stated on the radio.Nope....if the Bengals don't pick Young at #1, you lose. It's that simple. Quit trying to manipulate the jury.
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Maybe I'm wrong but this look like a draft thread. Maybe The word draft in the title threw me.
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WSS
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Maybe I'm wrong but this look like a draft thread. Maybe The word draft in the title threw me.
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WSS
Maybe I'm wrong but this look like a draft thread. Maybe The word draft in the title threw me.
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WSS
Yea, maybe, a bit of a different one though.
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The original proposition was the Bengals draft young at 1 vs the Bengals draft burrow at 1. Not young will be drafted at 1 vs Burrow will be drafted at 1. So you're statement above isn't sticking to the original proposition. Its changing the original proposition.
I agree that by the Bengals trading the #1 pick, the original proposition is changed. We/I never thought about the possibility of the Bengals trading down until I heard it stated on the radio.Nope....if the Bengals don't pick Young at #1, you lose. It's that simple. Quit trying to manipulate the jury.
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And if the Bengals trade the pick, it's a wash.
No team in their right mind is going to trade up to #1 just to take Young.
Our bet aside, why not? He is considered the most dominant defensive player to be available since....I don't know what. I think he rated higher than Miles Garrett. If a franchise QB is not your necessity.....but a monster DE is.....then why not try for him?
Maybe you can say that the Bengals should never trade the rights to Burrows, and maybe you are right....but that does not mean that other teams should not inquire, or even make offers. Right now, per early reports, those two: Burrows and Young are the creme de la creme of available talent it seems.
It seems possible that teams at the bottom can be as competitive as teams at the top. Teams want that #1 seed.....and, this year, teams want either that #1 or #2 draft pick. As good, perhaps, as they may be, the likes of Jeff Okudah DB, Andrew Thomas OT, Jerry Jeudy WR, are not considered the prospects that Burrows and Young are, are they?
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And if the Bengals trade the pick, it's a wash.
No team in their right mind is going to trade up to #1 just to take Young.
Our bet aside, why not? He is considered the most dominant defensive player to be available since....I don't know what. I think he rated higher than Miles Garrett. If a franchise QB is not your necessity.....but a monster DE is.....then why not try for him?
Maybe you can say that the Bengals should never trade the rights to Burrows, and maybe you are right....but that does not mean that other teams should not inquire, or even make offers. Right now, per early reports, those two: Burrows and Young are the creme de la creme of available talent it seems.
It seems possible that teams at the bottom can be as competitive as teams at the top. Teams want that #1 seed.....and, this year, teams want either that #1 or #2 draft pick. As good, perhaps, as they may be, the likes of Jeff Okudah DB, Andrew Thomas OT, Jerry Jeudy WR, are not considered the prospects that Burrows and Young are, are they?
Our bet aside, why not? He is considered the most dominant defensive player to be available since....I don't know what. I think he rated higher than Miles Garrett. If a franchise QB is not your necessity.....but a monster DE is.....then why not try for him?
Maybe you can say that the Bengals should never trade the rights to Burrows, and maybe you are right....but that does not mean that other teams should not inquire, or even make offers. Right now, per early reports, those two: Burrows and Young are the creme de la creme of available talent it seems.
It seems possible that teams at the bottom can be as competitive as teams at the top. Teams want that #1 seed.....and, this year, teams want either that #1 or #2 draft pick. As good, perhaps, as they may be, the likes of Jeff Okudah DB, Andrew Thomas OT, Jerry Jeudy WR, are not considered the prospects that Burrows and Young are, are they?
With the #1 pick, Cinci can start talking to prospects as soon as they have an agent. Of course other teams can ask the Bengals what they want for the #1 pick, and the Bengals can ask for something so ridiculous, no one will give them what they want. AND- here's why the Giants won't- and can't move up from #4 to #1 JUST for Young. The draft value chart says it would cost them their #4, the second and third round picks this year, and a first next year. That's just to move up three spots. QB needy teams lower down in the draft order won't possibly be able to offer the Bengals enough to move up that high.
Young- best since Kahlil Mack. Same size as Garrett. We'll see how he's rated after the combine. Sure, clearly the best defensive prospect in a couple years. But as I said-
1) The Bengals are much further along on defense as opposed to offense.
2) It's a damn near certainty Cinci is moving on from Dalton, they can trade or cut him in 2020 with no cap repercussions. (I'm seeing that almost dally down here in the local news)
3) In the 2017 draft when Garrett with #1 overall, there wasn't a QB prospect anywhere close to where Joe is going to be rated. You can bet the ranch with 20\20 hindsight, based on current NFL production, the Browns would have taken Mahomes over Myles. Pre draft Myles was a 7X prospect as opposed to Pat's 5X. Shit, NFL.com thought he might go in the second round.
4) With Dalton gone- it's a foregone conclusion they're taking a QB.
and we beat Mahomes to death in draft prospects - here's the negatives....
WEAKNESSES
Can be inconsistent in his approach. Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline. Too eager to go big game hunting. Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble. Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm. Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him. Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice. Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail. Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls. Carries ball a little low in the pocket. Impatient. Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm. Better as a scrambler than pure runner. Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season.
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Well you are saying that you think that Burrows is a lock at #1 to Bengals....and that Young is a lock at #2. Who then do the Lions and Giants go for?
Here is one top 5:
1 Joe Burrow - QB 2 Chase Young - EDGE 3 Andrew Thomas - OT 4 Jeffrey Okudah - CB 5 Tua Tagovailoa - QB -
Regarding Tua, it will depend a bunch on what teams think about his injury. Freak occurence or red flag. OSUs Okodah is slated to go top 10.
And I've already said, draft slotting is subject to change based on the playoffs. We'll see how Young fares Saturday against Clemson's OT who's probably the best offensive lineman he's gone up against all year.
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Regarding Tua, it will depend a bunch on what teams think about his injury. Freak occurence or red flag. OSUs Okodah is slated to go top 10.
And I've already said, draft slotting is subject to change based on the playoffs. We'll see how Young fares Saturday against Clemson's OT who's probably the best offensive lineman he's gone up against all year.
Regarding Tua, it will depend a bunch on what teams think about his injury. Freak occurence or red flag. OSUs Okodah is slated to go top 10.
And I've already said, draft slotting is subject to change based on the playoffs. We'll see how Young fares Saturday against Clemson's OT who's probably the best offensive lineman he's gone up against all year.
Or do you mean we will see how Clemsons offense of lineman fare against the best defensive lineman they face all year
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If the Bengals like Burrow they will not make a trade. And if they see something they don’t like you turn the card in for Young.
And If they got too greedy I would expect some QB starving team to jump ahead of them should they move out of the Top spot and try to take Burrow later.
The only way the Bengals lose this draft is if they miss out on a chance for either Burrow or Young.
If the Bengals like Burrow they will not make a trade. And if they see something they don’t like you turn the card in for Young.
And If they got too greedy I would expect some QB starving team to jump ahead of them should they move out of the Top spot and try to take Burrow later.
The only way the Bengals lose this draft is if they miss out on a chance for either Burrow or Young.Odds are that they take Burrow, but... there's always a chance that they like another QB equally well or even slightly better.
Say they like Tua a lot and their Medical folks clear him. In that case they can trade down a few slots. If Hebert is there guy they can trade down further.
No way can I see them taking Young, with the QB talent in this draft and their need at the position.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That’s right you said Burrow number one to the Bengals you didn’t say Burrow number two or number three or number four.
Gipper you are definitely trying to muddy the waters in your original post in here you said that Larry said the BENGALS would take burrow at 1 and you said the BENGALS would take young at 1. Seems to be the bet was made based on who the BENGALS would pick at 1 not just who the pick at number 1 would be. If you made that exact bet in vegas and the Bengals traded out of the number 1 pick the bet would be void.
Gipper you are definitely trying to muddy the waters in your original post in here you said that Larry said the BENGALS would take burrow at 1 and you said the BENGALS would take young at 1. Seems to be the bet was made based on who the BENGALS would pick at 1 not just who the pick at number 1 would be. If you made that exact bet in vegas and the Bengals traded out of the number 1 pick the bet would be void.
Are you sure about the Vegas thing?
Seems to me that if I put money on "Cin picks PlayerX #1 overall" and they don't for whatever reason, then I lose.
Maybe I'm wrong but this look like a draft thread. Maybe The word draft in the title threw me.
lol... Nah.... it's a "Gipper-gotta-be-Gipper" thread.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Regarding Tua, it will depend a bunch on what teams think about his injury. Freak occurence or red flag. OSUs Okodah is slated to go top 10.
And I've already said, draft slotting is subject to change based on the playoffs. We'll see how Young fares Saturday against Clemson's OT who's probably the best offensive lineman he's gone up against all year.
Regarding Tua, it will depend a bunch on what teams think about his injury. Freak occurence or red flag. OSUs Okodah is slated to go top 10.
And I've already said, draft slotting is subject to change based on the playoffs. We'll see how Young fares Saturday against Clemson's OT who's probably the best offensive lineman he's gone up against all year.
Young's stock doesn't depend on his production tonite... not in the slightest. He's going to be the first non-QB off the board.
Tua's interesting, because he was in the conversation for #1 overall before his hip dislocated... despite his prior injuries last season.
Apparently the repair of the hip went very well and a full recovery is expected. So it is likely that he will be medically cleared by both the League and every team that looks at him.
However, the questions every team will be left to contemplate is his injury history. Is he "injury prone"? 2018 saw him battle knee sprains much of the season before the late season surgical repair miracle of his ankle, which he then played on... obviously prematurely.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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