Next man up

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:

I probably give the Baltimore Print office a lot more credit just because that team is loaded and have almost 0 injuries which make Jackson seemed a lot better than he probably is.

Not to mention that we don't have a Jackson on our roster... of course that's fixable if we draft Hurts... and/or sign Kaep ?

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Wait.... Belichick was a failure in Cleveland?

In terms of W-L...yes. He was here 5 years, had a losing record in 4 of them. What would you call that? Were there extenuating circumstances? Sure.. Was he doing better until sabotaged by Modell? Sure. But these are just the facts, ma'am:

I'd prefer a D-minded HCs so put me down for Rivera over McCarthy if we are shopping for retreads this time around, but...

... I really dislike retread shopping.

Also not into hiring college HCs.

The SF DC, Saleh, interests me. https://www.49ers.com/video/robert-saleh-defensive-coordinator-49ers-seahawks-russell-wilson-marshawn-lynch

Definitely someone to look at...as I said.

For you Roman fans... here's his preseason presser. I've heard worse... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/greg-roman-is-excited-about-ravens-offensive-potential

Well, you have to be a fan of what he has done as OC in Baltimore this year....fair to say?

The Gipper

Wait.... Belichick was a failure in Cleveland?

don't waste your time with the Gipper he's talking out his ass.

Here are the facts that I found in my ass:

I'd prefer a D-minded HCs so put me down for Rivera over McCarthy if we are shopping for retreads this time around, but...

either way I'd hope they have an autonomous D or O coordinator but I'd still rather have McCarthy.

... I really dislike retread shopping.

I wonder if there are any actual stats hun whether there has been more success which retreads college coaches or coordinators?

Why do you ask...since...per your comments on the BB situation here....stats you are shown don't matter to you?

BB was a retread....his stats as a retread are obviously outstanding.

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:

Wait.... Belichick was a failure in Cleveland?

don't waste your time with the Gipper he's talking out his ass.

Here are the facts that I found in my ass:

I'd prefer a D-minded HCs so put me down for Rivera over McCarthy if we are shopping for retreads this time around, but...

either way I'd hope they have an autonomous D or O coordinator but I'd still rather have McCarthy.

... I really dislike retread shopping.

I wonder if there are any actual stats hun whether there has been more success which retreads college coaches or coordinators?

Why do you ask...since...per your comments on the BB situation here....stats you are shown don't matter to you?

BB was a retread....his stats as a retread are obviously outstanding.

Stfu,the grown-ups are talking. You were just spewing shit out of your blowhole because you didn't understand the original post.

And you don't even know who you're talking to here either.

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WSS

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

Stfu,the grown-ups are talking. You were just spewing shit out of your blowhole because you didn't understand the original post.

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WSS

Sorry you can't keep up with an argument/ line of reasoning. I understood the original point perfectly: better than you understood your own point.

You said you would be weary of hiring Josh McDaniels because he is "fruit of the Belichick" tree. I said I understood your reservation... you cited Romeo, .but, I pointed out that both Bill O'Brien and Mike Vrabel....both of whom have their teams in the playoffs, are fruit of the BB tree.

Then the question with Tour turned to whether or not he, or you or we should have confidence in a retread coach. He seems to have reservations.....you seemed not to because you indicated that you would be willing to flow with McCarthy.

You, then, have your teeth into BBs dick so tight that you cannot stomach any criticism of him....ergo, you ignore his 4 out of 5 losing seasons here...and his 36-44 record here in Cleveland......but I did point out that BB, being a "retread"....is the prime example of perhaps hiring a retread may not be a bad idea. You used the BB coaching tree failures as a reason to not hire Josh McDaniels.

What went unsaid in that....by me, or others, is that both of your objection to McDaniels can be countered by the above facts: A. O'Brien and Vrabel....both BB trainees are having current success; and B. BB himself was a retread, just like McDaniels would be after his failure in Denver.

Ergo, I would not, personally, reject McDaniels for the reasons you espouse.

While past history has not been kind to BB disciples: Romeo/ Charlie Weis/McDaniels in his first go around. And Al Groh, Mangini, Jim Schwartz and a couple of others (Saban as an NFL coach, Patricia).....have not done so well..... a couple have done well.

So, in principle, I am open to McDaniels. The things that bother me more is the Indianapolis situation...and the fact that he may in fact be the heir apparent to BB in New England. And, if that is the case, he needs to take himself out of the running up front, and not even accept interviews from other teams.

mjp28

First I think we can all rest easy because I don't think that Billy B. won't be coming back to Cleveland any time soon -but- that doesn't mean that I wouldn't consider one of his staff if I thought they could be what the BROWNS needed in a new HC.

AND as far as Billy B's record in Cleveland as HC it was far better than before and after he had the job and if you think our Brownies are bad now they were bad back then too.

And remember most things in life are relative.

The Gipper

Anyway....here is that fairly comprehensive list of possible candidates, reprinted here from another thread:

Names, per Sports Ilustrated

Robert Saleh,

Eric Bieniemy,

Briann Daboll

Greg Roman

Kevin Stefanski

Josh McDaniel

Kellen Moore

Kris Richard

Bret Bielema

Shane Waldron

Nick Sirianni

Dave Toub

Mike Groh

Press Taylor

Mike McCarthy

Ron Rivera

Mike McDaniel

Byron Leftwich

Mike Kafka

Leslie Frazier

Lincoln Riley

Matt Rhule

Urban Meyer

Dan Mullen

Dan Martindale

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:

Anyway....here is that fairly comprehensive list of possible candidates, reprinted here from another thread:

Names, per Sports Ilustrated

Line through guys I would not really care to see: Others are ones that I would consider....or, more likely, ones I really know nothing much about.

Robert Saleh,

Eric Bieniemy,

~~Briann Daboll~~

Greg Roman

Kevin Stefanski

Josh McDaniel

~~Kellen Moore~~

Kris Richard

~~Bret Bielema~~

Shane Waldron

Nick Sirianni

Dave Toub

Mike Groh

Press Taylor

Mike McCarthy

Ron Rivera

Mike McDaniel

Byron Leftwich

Mike Kafka

Leslie Frazier

~~Lincoln Riley~~

~~Matt Rhule~~

~~Urban Meyer~~

Dan Mullen

Dan Martindale

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

Sorry you can't keep up with an argument/ line of reasoning. I understood the original point perfectly: better than you understood your own point.

You said you would be weary of hiring Josh McDaniels because he is "fruit of the Belichick" tree. I said I understood your reservation... you cited Romeo, .but, I pointed out that both Bill O'Brien and Mike Vrabel....both of whom have their teams in the playoffs, are fruit of the BB tree.

Then the question with Tour turned to whether or not he, or you or we should have confidence in a retread coach. He seems to have reservations.....you seemed not to because you indicated that you would be willing to flow with McCarthy.

You, then, have your teeth into BBs dick so tight that you cannot stomach any criticism of him....ergo, you ignore his 4 out of 5 losing seasons here...and his 36-44 record here in Cleveland......but I did point out that BB, being a "retread"....is the prime example of perhaps hiring a retread may not be a bad idea. You used the BB coaching tree failures as a reason to not hire Josh McDaniels.

What went unsaid in that....by me, or others, is that both of your objection to McDaniels can be countered by the above facts: A. O'Brien and Vrabel....both BB trainees are having current success; and B. BB himself was a retread, just like McDaniels would be after his failure in Denver.

Ergo, I would not, personally, reject McDaniels for the reasons you espouse.

While past history has not been kind to BB disciples: Romeo/ Charlie Weis/McDaniels in his first go around. And Al Groh, Mangini, Jim Schwartz and a couple of others (Saban as an NFL coach, Patricia).....have not done so well..... a couple have done well.

So, in principle, I am open to McDaniels. The things that bother me more is the Indianapolis situation...and the fact that he may in fact be the heir apparent to BB in New England. And, if that is the case, he needs to take himself out of the running up front, and not even accept interviews from other teams.

hahahhahaha you said ergo

hish747

@canton-mike said:

Freddie's gone...Next man up?...We'll see.

I would like to see the Browns retain ST Coordinator Mike Priefer, but they will most likely make a clean sweep.

Mike

Agreed. Mike Priefer coached the standout unit on the Browns.

D Bone

@hish747 said:

Agreed. Mike Priefer coached the standout unit on the Browns.

Admittedly, that was a pretty low bar to slither over.

Westside Steve

@hish747 said:

Agreed. Mike Priefer coached the standout unit on the Browns.

Actually if he's special teams coach did John Dorsey had more to do with that than anybody, he's the guy that drafted two Pro bowl-caliber kickers.

WSS

Canton Mike

@westside-steve said:

Actually if he's special teams coach did John Dorsey had more to do with that than anybody, he's the guy that drafted two Pro bowl-caliber kickers.

WSS

I'm not complaining about them, but the kickers had nothing to do with all the penalties we previously had on our return teams. Priefer ran the most disciplined unit (by far) on the Browns.

Mike

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:

Anyway....here is that fairly comprehensive list of possible candidates, reprinted here from another thread:

Names, per Sports Ilustrated

Robert Saleh,

Eric Bieniemy,

Briann Daboll

Greg Roman

Kevin Stefanski

Josh McDaniel

Kellen Moore

Kris Richard

Bret Bielema

Shane Waldron

Nick Sirianni

Dave Toub

Mike Groh

Press Taylor

Mike McCarthy

Ron Rivera

Mike McDaniel

Byron Leftwich

Mike Kafka

Leslie Frazier

Lincoln Riley

Matt Rhule

Urban Meyer

Dan Mullen

Dan Martindale

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:High_school_football_coaches_in_Ohio

I didn't know we were getting paid by the word but if so, and if the team is looking for a completely new start, check out these guys.

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WSS

TexasAg1969

I think Amazon has let Santa go. Worth a shot. World Champ for many decades and has been dealing with clowns and circuses while rebuilding with Erector sets. And God knows most of the fans here need new Erection Sets.?‍???

OldBrownsFan

We need to get this right this time. My recommendation is find a head coach with a proven track record of winning in the NFL. They are out there. One known to be a disciplinarian would be nice. Hire that coach then be prepared to stay the distance through the good times and bad. Have some goals for the team, a vision for the team of where you want to go long term. Get a plan and stick with it. We already know what doesn't work (blowing things up every 1-2 years).

Bob806

@the-gipper said:

You, then, have your teeth into BBs dick so tight that you cannot stomach any criticism of him....ergo, you ignore his 4 out of 5 losing seasons here...and his 36-44 record here in Cleveland...

BB was certainly NOT my favorite Browns coach. However, he was building something after turning over the roster from the Bud Carson years. His biggest problem here was cutting the icon Kosar, and his (still) reluctant tone with the media.

Years pass, we look at things from a different perspective. Yeah, he's shady, most likely a cheater. But he somehow has a knack for recognizing football players and their skill set in a salary cap era, that no one else seems to do as well.

#1 defense in 1994, just couldn't beat Pittsburgh. Then, well, you know....

Bob806

@oldbrownsfan said:

We need to get this right this time. My recommendation is find a head coach with a proven track record of winning in the NFL. They are out there. One known to be a disciplinarian would be nice. Hire that coach then be prepared to stay the distance through the good times and bad. Have some goals for the team, a vision for the team of where you want to go long term. Get a plan and stick with it. We already know what doesn't work (blowing things up every 1-2 years).

Bring the candidates in. Show them a 1986 highlight tape.

Show them proper CB technique, Dixon & Minnifield. Show them Clay Matthews, Mike Johnson, Felix Wright.

Show them how Marty took Puzzoli off the field on 3rd and 19, went prevent for 98 yards.

Show them Mack & Byner. Show them what a slant pattern is, to WebStar.

Show them the Ice Cube on kick returns.

Show them a 1994 highlight tape. Show them the fundamentals of tackling. Show them fundamentals of play-action, play fakes. Show them Metcalf's two punt returns vs Pitt in 1993.

Show them the passion Cleveland has for football.

If the candidate(s) balk at any of this, they're OUT. IT'S NOT THAT HARD my goodness I just don't get it.

Tour2ma

@tour2ma said:

The SF DC, Saleh, interests me. https://www.49ers.com/video/robert-saleh-defensive-coordinator-49ers-seahawks-russell-wilson-marshawn-lynch

NFL Network just flashed that we have asked permission to interview him.

Tour2ma

Coming off an 11-5 season... and a Wild Card win... in '95 we were 4-5 when The Move was officially announced (rumors had surfaced earlier) and all the energy was drained out of the franchise.

Anyone who thinks Bill failed in CLE is channeling their inner Modell...

Jump, Gip... JUMP!