The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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And Hubbard... l really think he’s been gutting it out hurt. Only thing l can think of to explain his decline.
Turn on Iowa/USC game & watch RT Tristan Wirfs at 320 lbs road grade Trojans 10 yards anywhere he wants..?.. wears Hubbard's #74..
Turn on Iowa/USC game & watch RT Tristan Wirfs at 320 lbs road grade Trojans 10 yards anywhere he wants..?.. wears Hubbard's #74..
Any idea why Wirfs is at RT while Alaric Jackson protects Stanley's blindside? Can Wirfs play on the left side?
Also I've read where some are projecting Wirfs as an OG in the NFL due to an arm-length issue. Heard anything along these lines?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Turn on Iowa/USC game & watch RT Tristan Wirfs at 320 lbs road grade Trojans 10 yards anywhere he wants..?.. wears Hubbard's #74..
Any idea why Wirfs is at RT while Alaric Jackson protects Stanley's blindside? Can Wirfs play on the left side?
Also I've read where some are projecting Wirfs as an OG in the NFL due to an arm-length issue. Heard anything along these lines?
Any idea why Wirfs is at RT while Alaric Jackson protects Stanley's blindside? question Kirk Ferentz? not me ?
Can Wirfs play on the left side? 2019 Wirfs played 9 at RT & 3 at LT while Jackson was out with foot & knee..Wirf has 32 starts as of his Junior season.. no injury setbacks
Also I've read where some are projecting Wirfs as an OG in the NFL due to an arm-length issue. Heard anything along these lines? Nope.. Lamar was told to play WR..
Both Alaric Jackson & Wirf came to Iowa at same season.. I read, Alaric Jackson is the Tackle that Ferentz could only fit at Left & not Right side of line..Walt at Walterfootball has some concerns that looks to me Ferentz has coached out of him.(Worse tape/Walt Michigan, have not looked yet). I have not seen Wirfs arm lenght numbers.. but from what i could tell from last night. Rarely was Wirfs arms a issue in pass pro.. they were locked straight forward to defenders inside chest plate & rarely given a real fight to get released.. Now, I would like to see Iowa's DE AJ Epenesa vs Wirf practice tapes ? though.. it's still draft early but.. Wirf imho, projects as a starter anywhere after Bitonio..
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So do we have the 9th or 10th pick in the draft?
Non playoff team draft order:
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK 1 2-14 .125 -- .555 Won 1 2 3-12 .200 1.5 .496 Lost 3 3 3-12-1 .219 1.5 .508 Lost 9 4 4-11 .267 2.5 .470 Won 2 5 5-11 .313 3.0 .486 Won 2 6 5-11 .313 3.0 .516 Lost 3 7 5-11 .313 3.0 .553 Lost 8 8 5-10 .333 3.5 .488 Lost 1 9 5-9-1 .367 4.0 .528 Won 2 10 6-10 .375 4.0 .530 Lost 3 11 6-9 .400 4.5 .514 Won 1 12 7-9 .438 5.0 .472 Won 2 13 7-9 .438 5.0 .502 Lost 2 14 7-9 .438 5.0 .545 Won 4 15 7-8 .467 5.5 .478 Won 1 16 7-8 .467 5.5 .480 Lost 1 17 7-8 .467 5.5 .490 Won 1 18 8-8 .500 6.0 .506 Won 1 19 8-7 .533 6.5 .500 Lost 2 20 8-7 .533 6.5 .538 Lost 2 -
So do we have the 9th or 10th pick in the draft?
Non playoff team draft order:
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK 1 2-14 .125 -- .555 Won 1 2 3-12 .200 1.5 .496 Lost 3 3 3-12-1 .219 1.5 .508 Lost 9 4 4-11 .267 2.5 .470 Won 2 5 5-11 .313 3.0 .486 Won 2 6 5-11 .313 3.0 .516 Lost 3 7 5-11 .313 3.0 .553 Lost 8 8 5-10 .333 3.5 .488 Lost 1 9 5-9-1 .367 4.0 .528 Won 2 10 6-10 .375 4.0 .530 Lost 3 11 6-9 .400 4.5 .514 Won 1 12 7-9 .438 5.0 .472 Won 2 13 7-9 .438 5.0 .502 Lost 2 14 7-9 .438 5.0 .545 Won 4 15 7-8 .467 5.5 .478 Won 1 16 7-8 .467 5.5 .480 Lost 1 17 7-8 .467 5.5 .490 Won 1 18 8-8 .500 6.0 .506 Won 1 19 8-7 .533 6.5 .500 Lost 2 20 8-7 .533 6.5 .538 Lost 2 Non playoff team draft order:
Your chart shows Jacksonville at 5-10.
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Non playoff team draft order:
Your chart shows Jacksonville at 5-10.
Your chart shows Jacksonville at 5-10.
Yea, I don't think that is updated after late games. ...but Jags did beat Colts.
So they too are 6-10. Their SOS may actually still give them the #9 pick.
Need it updated.
OK...saw updated......Jags get #9, Browns 10.
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Players in the range of #10, perhaps:
Jerry Jeudy Alabama Jr WR 1 6-1 192 7 CeeDee Lamb Oklahoma Jr WR 2 6-2 189 8 Isaiah Simmons Clemson Jr S 1 6-4 230 9 Grant Delpit LSU Jr S 2 6-3 203 10 A.J. Epenesa Iowa Jr EDGE 2 6-6 280 11 Henry Ruggs III Alabama Jr WR 3 6-0 190 12 Derrick Brown Auburn Sr DL 1 6-5 318 13 Javon Kinlaw South Carolina Sr DL 2 6-6 310 14 Kristian Fulton LSU Sr CB 2 6-0 200 15 Tristan Wirfs Iowa Jr OL 2 6-5 322 16 D'Andre Swift Georgia Jr RB 1 5-9 215 17 Kenneth Murray Oklahoma Jr LB 1 6-2 234 -
We talk about OL, but I just might go for LB Simmons if available.. LB coverage is also a need.
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We talk about OL, but I just might go for LB Simmons if available.. LB coverage is also a need.
We talk about OL, but I just might go for LB Simmons if available.. LB coverage is also a need.
We should definitely take a look at Simmons. He had a nice pick Saturday night but I though overall he was quiet. I think most Browns fan think a coaching change solves the defense. I disagree we could use a pass rusher, a run stuffing backer most of all a field general at the Safety position- IMO all three of these are needs.
I see maybe two Off Tackles worthy of #10 overall pick after that we are reaching. So I think best player available not at QB, RB or WR is the way to go there.
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We talk about OL, but I just might go for LB Simmons if available.. LB coverage is also a need.
We should definitely take a look at Simmons. He had a nice pick Saturday night but I though overall he was quiet. I think most Browns fan think a coaching change solves the defense. I disagree we could use a pass rusher, a run stuffing backer most of all a field general at the Safety position- IMO all three of these are needs.
I see maybe two Off Tackles worthy of #10 overall pick after that we are reaching. So I think best player available not at QB, RB or WR is the way to go there.
I see maybe two Off Tackles worthy of #10 overall pick after that we are reaching. So I think best player available not at QB, RB or WR is the way to go there.
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I see maybe two Off Tackles worthy of #10 overall pick after that we are reaching. So I think best player available not at QB, RB or WR is the way to go there.
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
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Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
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Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
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Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
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Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
ONE mock? Out of how many hundreds?
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One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
ONE mock? Out of how many hundreds?
ONE mock? Out of how many hundreds?
Many mocks don’t go past the first round yet. It was the only one l saw that did.
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I see maybe two Off Tackles worthy of #10 overall pick after that we are reaching. So I think best player available not at QB, RB or WR is the way to go there.
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
I don’t see it this season.
we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that
13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
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Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Better than some speed... One site I use puts his 40 time in 4.30-4.88 better than a tenth faster than Clemson's Etienne. Well see what's what at The Combine.
I like JK as well. He's not undersized. At 5'9 and 217 he's right in there with compact backs all over the NFL like OAK's Jacobs (5'10, 220), CHI's Singletary (5'8, 203)... problem is that he got a lot of his yards in straight line bursts that are fewer and father between in the NFL. That said...
I don't see a R1 player... I see more R3/4. A couple decades ago he's probably a R2 talent.
One or two RBs in round 1 is pretty much the max now. Two years ago we saw 3 go, but that's an anomaly and while Saquon went early the other two went very late. You have to go back to 2008 to find more than three-R1 RBs in a draft.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
I don’t see it this season.
we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that
13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
I don’t see it this season. we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that 13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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