Next man up
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Stfu,the grown-ups are talking. You were just spewing shit out of your blowhole because you didn't understand the original post.
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Sorry you can't keep up with an argument/ line of reasoning. I understood the original point perfectly: better than you understood your own point.
You said you would be weary of hiring Josh McDaniels because he is "fruit of the Belichick" tree. I said I understood your reservation... you cited Romeo, .but, I pointed out that both Bill O'Brien and Mike Vrabel....both of whom have their teams in the playoffs, are fruit of the BB tree.
Then the question with Tour turned to whether or not he, or you or we should have confidence in a retread coach. He seems to have reservations.....you seemed not to because you indicated that you would be willing to flow with McCarthy.
You, then, have your teeth into BBs dick so tight that you cannot stomach any criticism of him....ergo, you ignore his 4 out of 5 losing seasons here...and his 36-44 record here in Cleveland......but I did point out that BB, being a "retread"....is the prime example of perhaps hiring a retread may not be a bad idea. You used the BB coaching tree failures as a reason to not hire Josh McDaniels.
What went unsaid in that....by me, or others, is that both of your objection to McDaniels can be countered by the above facts: A. O'Brien and Vrabel....both BB trainees are having current success; and B. BB himself was a retread, just like McDaniels would be after his failure in Denver.
Ergo, I would not, personally, reject McDaniels for the reasons you espouse.
While past history has not been kind to BB disciples: Romeo/ Charlie Weis/McDaniels in his first go around. And Al Groh, Mangini, Jim Schwartz and a couple of others (Saban as an NFL coach, Patricia).....have not done so well..... a couple have done well.
So, in principle, I am open to McDaniels. The things that bother me more is the Indianapolis situation...and the fact that he may in fact be the heir apparent to BB in New England. And, if that is the case, he needs to take himself out of the running up front, and not even accept interviews from other teams.
You, then, have your teeth into BBs dick so tight that you cannot stomach any criticism of him....ergo, you ignore his 4 out of 5 losing seasons here...and his 36-44 record here in Cleveland...
BB was certainly NOT my favorite Browns coach. However, he was building something after turning over the roster from the Bud Carson years. His biggest problem here was cutting the icon Kosar, and his (still) reluctant tone with the media.
Years pass, we look at things from a different perspective. Yeah, he's shady, most likely a cheater. But he somehow has a knack for recognizing football players and their skill set in a salary cap era, that no one else seems to do as well.
#1 defense in 1994, just couldn't beat Pittsburgh. Then, well, you know....
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We need to get this right this time. My recommendation is find a head coach with a proven track record of winning in the NFL. They are out there. One known to be a disciplinarian would be nice. Hire that coach then be prepared to stay the distance through the good times and bad. Have some goals for the team, a vision for the team of where you want to go long term. Get a plan and stick with it. We already know what doesn't work (blowing things up every 1-2 years).
We need to get this right this time. My recommendation is find a head coach with a proven track record of winning in the NFL. They are out there. One known to be a disciplinarian would be nice. Hire that coach then be prepared to stay the distance through the good times and bad. Have some goals for the team, a vision for the team of where you want to go long term. Get a plan and stick with it. We already know what doesn't work (blowing things up every 1-2 years).
Bring the candidates in. Show them a 1986 highlight tape.
Show them proper CB technique, Dixon & Minnifield. Show them Clay Matthews, Mike Johnson, Felix Wright.
Show them how Marty took Puzzoli off the field on 3rd and 19, went prevent for 98 yards.
Show them Mack & Byner. Show them what a slant pattern is, to WebStar.
Show them the Ice Cube on kick returns.
Show them a 1994 highlight tape. Show them the fundamentals of tackling. Show them fundamentals of play-action, play fakes. Show them Metcalf's two punt returns vs Pitt in 1993.
Show them the passion Cleveland has for football.
If the candidate(s) balk at any of this, they're OUT. IT'S NOT THAT HARD my goodness I just don't get it.
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Wait.... Belichick was a failure in Cleveland?
I'd prefer a D-minded HCs so put me down for Rivera over McCarthy if we are shopping for retreads this time around, but...
... I really dislike retread shopping.
Also not into hiring college HCs.
The SF DC, Saleh, interests me. https://www.49ers.com/video/robert-saleh-defensive-coordinator-49ers-seahawks-russell-wilson-marshawn-lynch
For you Roman fans... here's his preseason presser. I've heard worse... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/greg-roman-is-excited-about-ravens-offensive-potential
The SF DC, Saleh, interests me. https://www.49ers.com/video/robert-saleh-defensive-coordinator-49ers-seahawks-russell-wilson-marshawn-lynch
NFL Network just flashed that we have asked permission to interview him.
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Coming off an 11-5 season... and a Wild Card win... in '95 we were 4-5 when The Move was officially announced (rumors had surfaced earlier) and all the energy was drained out of the franchise.
Anyone who thinks Bill failed in CLE is channeling their inner Modell...
Jump, Gip... JUMP!
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Coming off an 11-5 season... and a Wild Card win... in '95 we were 4-5 when The Move was officially announced (rumors had surfaced earlier) and all the energy was drained out of the franchise.
Anyone who thinks Bill failed in CLE is channeling their inner Modell...
Jump, Gip... JUMP!
Coming off an 11-5 season... and a Wild Card win... in '95 we were 4-5 when The Move was officially announced (rumors had surfaced earlier) and all the energy was drained out of the franchise.
Anyone who thinks Bill failed in CLE is channeling their inner Modell...
Jump, Gip... JUMP!
All I can do is to go by the record. 4 out of 5 losing seasons. A 36-44 record. Those are just the facts.
Maybe you are so shell shocked by the poor records of the coaches we have had since then, that that looks like success to you.
Or maybe, I see, you are going by what "could have been".....IF Modell had not made his moves....IF the Browns franchise had not been put on hiatus...IF he and the team had still been here....he could have ultimately made this a winning, successful franchise. Or maybe you think that because he won one playoff game here, that alone made him a success here. Or maybe you are thinking that "well...he has been so successful elsewhere...he must have been good here.". What coulda/shoulda/woulda is all that is. Did Modell sabotage that future potential? Sure...I believe that....I said that. woulda/coulda/shoulda.... What was, however, is 36-44, 4 out of 5 losing seasons.
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By the way, on McDaniels, the Browns FO is not squeamish over the fact that he is a BB disciple nor a retread, apparently:
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By the way, on McDaniels, the Browns FO is not squeamish over the fact that he is a BB disciple nor a retread, apparently:
By the way, on McDaniels, the Browns FO is not squeamish over the fact that he is a BB disciple nor a retread, apparently:
rather have Caldwell
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Just find the next BB... somebody who knows what the F they’re doing.
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By the way, on McDaniels, the Browns FO is not squeamish over the fact that he is a BB disciple nor a retread, apparently:
rather have Caldwell
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Jim Caldwell?
thats the guy hell he took the Lions to the playoffs twice also has a winning record as a head coach in the NFL
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So....who are we talking to? From above, It seems:
Josh McDaniels
Robert Saleh
Greg Roman
Those sound good.
Who else?
Who NOT: Rivera....as he seems set to go with Redskins. Is there anyone else that it seems clear that the Browns FO is rejecting (not who you or I would reject).
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Anyway....here is that fairly comprehensive list of possible candidates, reprinted here from another thread:
Names, per Sports Ilustrated
Line through guys I would not really care to see: Others are ones that I would consider....or, more likely, ones I really know nothing much about.
Robert Saleh,
Eric Bieniemy,
Briann DabollGreg Roman
Kevin Stefanski
Josh McDaniel
Kellen MooreKris Richard
Bret BielemaShane Waldron
Nick Sirianni
Dave Toub
Mike Groh
Press Taylor
Mike McCarthy
Ron Rivera
Mike McDaniel
Byron Leftwich
Mike Kafka
Leslie Frazier
Lincoln RileyMatt RhuleUrban MeyerDan Mullen
Dan Martindale
why no Caldwell ? or lewis (who i really do not want)
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So....who are we talking to? From above, It seems:
Josh McDaniels
Robert Saleh
Greg Roman
Those sound good.
Who else?
Who NOT: Rivera....as he seems set to go with Redskins. Is there anyone else that it seems clear that the Browns FO is rejecting (not who you or I would reject).
So....who are we talking to? From above, It seems:
Josh McDaniels
Robert Saleh
Greg Roman
Those sound good.
Who else?
Who NOT: Rivera....as he seems set to go with Redskins. Is there anyone else that it seems clear that the Browns FO is rejecting (not who you or I would reject).
this needs its own thread
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why no Caldwell ? or lewis (who i really do not want)
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So....who are we talking to? From above, It seems:
Josh McDaniels
Robert Saleh
Greg Roman
Those sound good.
Who else?
Who NOT: Rivera....as he seems set to go with Redskins. Is there anyone else that it seems clear that the Browns FO is rejecting (not who you or I would reject).
this needs its own thread
this needs its own thread
Its OK here, after all the OP linked a "potential candidates" list.
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Its OK here, after all the OP linked a "potential candidates" list.
potential is fine here But a thread of coachs we will have interviews with needs it's own
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Its OK here, after all the OP linked a "potential candidates" list.
potential is fine here But a thread of coachs we will have interviews with needs it's own
potential is fine here But a thread of coachs we will have interviews with needs it's own
You have a keyboard, don't you?
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You have a keyboard, don't you?
because as far as i know no team has granted us permission per are request
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Cleveland: Fired Freddie Kitchens on December 29. Requested permission to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Requested permission to interview Ravens offensive coordinator Greg Roman. Requested permission to interview 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh. Plan to interview former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy, along with bringing Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski back again this year. from PFT also being reported that talks with Rivera and the skins have slowed
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Saleh to interview.
He looks "mixed race" which I assume means that his interview would comply with the Rooney Rule....if nothing else.
Or, actually, based on his name and appearance, he could be "middle eastern". He is from Dearborn Mich. which has a large population of mid-eastern descent.
I mean, I don't really care....it is the NFL with its Rooney rule that requires the inquiry into race/racial background.
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