For sanity sake, let's list Dorsey's mistakes...
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Drafting Corbett ahead of Nick Chubb at the start of round 2 after having all night and day to think it over.
Drafting Corbett AT ALL.
Trading Zeitler away for Vernon. (points right back to the Corbett decision, except a year later)
After signing Hunt, answering the reporter's question, "Does signing Hunt make Duke expendable?" by saying, "Not yet." That obviously made Duke feel like shit so that he wanted out. And Duke is/was MILES better than Hilliard!
Hiring Freddie. Perhaps some of us would have done the same thing, but it's still on Dorsey.
......what else goes on the negative side of the ledger? I mean, to me, he brought in a lot of talent. He made some mistakes, but that's being human.
Drafting Corbett ahead of Nick Chubb at the start of round 2 after having all night and day to think it over.
Drafting Corbett AT ALL.
Trading Zeitler away for Vernon. (points right back to the Corbett decision, except a year later)
After signing Hunt, answering the reporter's question, "Does signing Hunt make Duke expendable?" by saying, "Not yet." That obviously made Duke feel like shit so that he wanted out. And Duke is/was MILES better than Hilliard!
Hiring Freddie. Perhaps some of us would have done the same thing, but it's still on Dorsey.
......what else goes on the negative side of the ledger? I mean, to me, he brought in a lot of talent. He made some mistakes, but that's being human.
I completely forgot about the Duke incident. On one hand he got a third round pick which was great but we paid a price the first 8 weeks. We thought Hilliard was Duke and we slotted him out and put Hilliard in situations that he wasn’t capable of being Duke. The darn Seahawk Game comes to mind.
and getting Callaway back and just rushing him onto the field 9er game....just stunk of Dorsey. -
For Sanity's sake, let's not.
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Callaway was a high round talent drafted in the 4th. Not the end of world.
Trading Avery for a 5th was questionable. The way Duke was traded was shady. Not having a starting caliber LT costed the team all year. Kitchens wasn’t at all ready. Some would say trading Ogbah for Eric Murray wasn’t a good deal but Murray showed he can play well in the secondary. -
This comes from a Texas Tech sportswriter.. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/after-firing-gm-john-dorsey-what-s-next-for-the-cleveland-browns Whitehead was a over the top mess. Than i forget which team signed him after? Oakland? maybe
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There's a certain allure in being the one to end a persistent shit storm.
Yes there is. But what kind of people does that get you? Cocky motherfuckers is the answer.
There are likely other people that can do a plus job with plus results, but we have effectively whittled away a fighting chance at getting those people and are instead reduced to hoping for a cocky motherfucker who can hopefully do the job.
We just fired a cocky motherfucker who was probably the best cocky motherfucker we’ve had in a while. What does that say to the rest of the small pool of cocky motherfuckers from which to pull from?
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John Dorsey is known for his high graded draft talent. Has good connections with most players agents for insights.. 1) Dorsey's largest issue was Acting the part "of the smartest man in the room" in any event. His confidence was smug & almost rude at times (senior bowl/Combine). Add Jimmy Haslams tude in & you got to wonder how it became Dee & Jimmy Haslam so quickly.. Let's be honest, On the inside, Dorsey could spin the media without giving a direct answer to any of them.. 2) On the Outside.. Dorsey seemed ok with Freddie & his players being smug & playing with his same cockiness..I felt first hint of this when JD met every FA with the new Freddie's slogan "If you don't wear B & O you don't matter".. After..3) Each game week seemed to have a drama target that would show up about 3 days prior to the game. Coach nor GM would shut it down. Add this to a 4) GM & coach that approved wrong visors, wrong cleats, wrong pant lenght & special watch needs. With over 100 yellow flags.
Yep! I may have been The Dorse biggest fan. But every man has his faults in this business. I do wish John Dorsey good luck in his next position...and As we all know, The good guys all get better without The Haslam's...
HaPPy NeW Year!! ? ??
John Dorsey is known for his high graded draft talent. Has good connections with most players agents for insights.. 1) Dorsey's largest issue was Acting the part "of the smartest man in the room" in any event. His confidence was smug & almost rude at times (senior bowl/Combine). Add Jimmy Haslams tude in & you got to wonder how it became Dee & Jimmy Haslam so quickly.. Let's be honest, On the inside, Dorsey could spin the media without giving a direct answer to any of them.. 2) On the Outside.. Dorsey seemed ok with Freddie & his players being smug & playing with his same cockiness..I felt first hint of this when JD met every FA with the new Freddie's slogan "If you don't wear B & O you don't matter".. After..3) Each game week seemed to have a drama target that would show up about 3 days prior to the game. Coach nor GM would shut it down. Add this to a 4) GM & coach that approved wrong visors, wrong cleats, wrong pant lenght & special watch needs. With over 100 yellow flags.
Yep! I may have been The Dorse biggest fan. But every man has his faults in this business. I do wish John Dorsey good luck in his next position...and As we all know, The good guys all get better without The Haslam's...
HaPPy NeW Year!! ? ??
Good therapeutic post idea Orion. Citing Gumby’s post because it’s pure gold.
I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year. I think he woulda been a fit for our OLine issues this year.
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John Dorsey is known for his high graded draft talent. Has good connections with most players agents for insights.. 1) Dorsey's largest issue was Acting the part "of the smartest man in the room" in any event. His confidence was smug & almost rude at times (senior bowl/Combine). Add Jimmy Haslams tude in & you got to wonder how it became Dee & Jimmy Haslam so quickly.. Let's be honest, On the inside, Dorsey could spin the media without giving a direct answer to any of them.. 2) On the Outside.. Dorsey seemed ok with Freddie & his players being smug & playing with his same cockiness..I felt first hint of this when JD met every FA with the new Freddie's slogan "If you don't wear B & O you don't matter".. After..3) Each game week seemed to have a drama target that would show up about 3 days prior to the game. Coach nor GM would shut it down. Add this to a 4) GM & coach that approved wrong visors, wrong cleats, wrong pant lenght & special watch needs. With over 100 yellow flags.
Yep! I may have been The Dorse biggest fan. But every man has his faults in this business. I do wish John Dorsey good luck in his next position...and As we all know, The good guys all get better without The Haslam's...
HaPPy NeW Year!! ? ??
Good therapeutic post idea Orion. Citing Gumby’s post because it’s pure gold.
I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year. I think he woulda been a fit for our OLine issues this year.
Citing Gumby’s post because it’s pure gold.
Cocky motherfuckers is the answer.
We just fired a cocky motherfucker who was probably the best cocky motherfucker we’ve had in a while. What does that say to the rest of the small pool of cocky motherfuckers from which to pull from?
Touche".... you golden laughable cocky motherfucker... ? Thanks! from my Sanity Sake's... lmao
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As Tour2ma stated elsewhere on this forum: Inability to play nice with others that also ended his tenure in KC.
Myguyism, if he didn't bring you into the building your days were numbered no matter how talented you were or could contribute to the scheme. Shelton should've been retained for run blocking, Ogunjobi is more of a rotational NT and is terrible against the run. News is now leaking that the inactives list was also dictated by him which explains Njoku, Higgins and Avery's absences.
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John Dorsey is known for his high graded draft talent. Has good connections with most players agents for insights.. 1) Dorsey's largest issue was Acting the part "of the smartest man in the room" in any event. His confidence was smug & almost rude at times (senior bowl/Combine). Add Jimmy Haslams tude in & you got to wonder how it became Dee & Jimmy Haslam so quickly.. Let's be honest, On the inside, Dorsey could spin the media without giving a direct answer to any of them.. 2) On the Outside.. Dorsey seemed ok with Freddie & his players being smug & playing with his same cockiness..I felt first hint of this when JD met every FA with the new Freddie's slogan "If you don't wear B & O you don't matter".. After..3) Each game week seemed to have a drama target that would show up about 3 days prior to the game. Coach nor GM would shut it down. Add this to a 4) GM & coach that approved wrong visors, wrong cleats, wrong pant lenght & special watch needs. With over 100 yellow flags.
Yep! I may have been The Dorse biggest fan. But every man has his faults in this business. I do wish John Dorsey good luck in his next position...and As we all know, The good guys all get better without The Haslam's...
HaPPy NeW Year!! ? ??
Good therapeutic post idea Orion. Citing Gumby’s post because it’s pure gold.
I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year. I think he woulda been a fit for our OLine issues this year.
I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year. I think he woulda been a fit for our OLine issues this year.
Not sure where he'd have helped us this season, but in any case cutting anyone who then immediately becomes a two-year starter for the claiming team and then gets a contract extension does not display the best of judgement.
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I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year. I think he woulda been a fit for our OLine issues this year.
Not sure where he'd have helped us this season, but in any case cutting anyone who then immediately becomes a two-year starter for the claiming team and then gets a contract extension does not display the best of judgement.
Not sure where he'd have helped us this season, but in any case cutting anyone who then immediately becomes a two-year starter for the claiming team and then gets a contract extension does not display the best of judgement.
He played guard too. I’m an unabashed Tretter fan, so not advocating for a change at Center.
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As Tour2ma stated elsewhere on this forum: Inability to play nice with others that also ended his tenure in KC.
Myguyism, if he didn't bring you into the building your days were numbered no matter how talented you were or could contribute to the scheme. Shelton should've been retained for run blocking, Ogunjobi is more of a rotational NT and is terrible against the run. News is now leaking that the inactives list was also dictated by him which explains Njoku, Higgins and Avery's absences.
As Tour2ma stated elsewhere on this forum: Inability to play nice with others that also ended his tenure in KC.
Myguyism, if he didn't bring you into the building your days were numbered no matter how talented you were or could contribute to the scheme. Shelton should've been retained for run blocking, Ogunjobi is more of a rotational NT and is terrible against the run. News is now leaking that the inactives list was also dictated by him which explains Njoku, Higgins and Avery's absences.
Dorsey is also someone who didn't hesitate to get rid of HIS guys, if they weren't working out, which blows a bit of a hole in your theory.
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John Dorsey is known for his high graded draft talent. Has good connections with most players agents for insights.. 1) Dorsey's largest issue was Acting the part "of the smartest man in the room" in any event. His confidence was smug & almost rude at times (senior bowl/Combine). Add Jimmy Haslams tude in & you got to wonder how it became Dee & Jimmy Haslam so quickly.. Let's be honest, On the inside, Dorsey could spin the media without giving a direct answer to any of them.. 2) On the Outside.. Dorsey seemed ok with Freddie & his players being smug & playing with his same cockiness..I felt first hint of this when JD met every FA with the new Freddie's slogan "If you don't wear B & O you don't matter".. After..3) Each game week seemed to have a drama target that would show up about 3 days prior to the game. Coach nor GM would shut it down. Add this to a 4) GM & coach that approved wrong visors, wrong cleats, wrong pant lenght & special watch needs. With over 100 yellow flags.
Yep! I may have been The Dorse biggest fan. But every man has his faults in this business. I do wish John Dorsey good luck in his next position...and As we all know, The good guys all get better without The Haslam's...
HaPPy NeW Year!! ? ??
Good therapeutic post idea Orion. Citing Gumby’s post because it’s pure gold.
I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year. I think he woulda been a fit for our OLine issues this year.
I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year.
Yeah, I thought he helped us when he played. But as I recall, he didn't play long because he got hurt.
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As Tour2ma stated elsewhere on this forum: Inability to play nice with others that also ended his tenure in KC.
Myguyism, if he didn't bring you into the building your days were numbered no matter how talented you were or could contribute to the scheme. Shelton should've been retained for run blocking, Ogunjobi is more of a rotational NT and is terrible against the run. News is now leaking that the inactives list was also dictated by him which explains Njoku, Higgins and Avery's absences.
Dorsey is also someone who didn't hesitate to get rid of HIS guys, if they weren't working out, which blows a bit of a hole in your theory.
Dorsey is also someone who didn't hesitate to get rid of HIS guys, if they weren't working out, which blows a bit of a hole in your theory.
When they were unsalvageable, he’d cut his own: Callaway, Whitehead and Corbett. Productive players who weren’t his guys were inactivated or dispensed of otherwise.
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I’ll pitch in cutting Reiter at the tail end of camp last year.
Yeah, I thought he helped us when he played. But as I recall, he didn't play long because he got hurt.
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Dorsey is also someone who didn't hesitate to get rid of HIS guys, if they weren't working out, which blows a bit of a hole in your theory.
When they were unsalvageable, he’d cut his own: Callaway, Whitehead and Corbett. Productive players who weren’t his guys were inactivated or dispensed of otherwise.
When they were unsalvageable, he’d cut his own: Callaway, Whitehead and Corbett. Productive players who weren’t his guys were inactivated or dispensed of otherwise.
Like Tretter, Bitonio, Ogunjobi, Garrett, Schobert, Kirksey (who didn't play much but would have started both Dorsey years)...
You make Dorsey out to be different than EVERY new GM who stocks his team with HIS guys. You don't think that's going to happen in the next season or two?
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Dorsey is also someone who didn't hesitate to get rid of HIS guys, if they weren't working out, which blows a bit of a hole in your theory.
When they were unsalvageable, he’d cut his own: Callaway, Whitehead and Corbett. Productive players who weren’t his guys were inactivated or dispensed of otherwise.
When they were unsalvageable, he’d cut his own: Callaway, Whitehead and Corbett. Productive players who weren’t his guys were inactivated or dispensed of otherwise.
This is why we're screwed. The new gm will get rid of a bunch of good players just because they're not HIS guys. The only one safe is Garrett. If Baker is shipped out or they draft his replacement and undermine him, it will be 10x as dumb as firing Dorsey
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Not sure where he'd have helped us this season, but in any case cutting anyone who then immediately becomes a two-year starter for the claiming team and then gets a contract extension does not display the best of judgement.
He played guard too. I’m an unabashed Tretter fan, so not advocating for a change at Center.
He played guard too. I’m an unabashed Tretter fan, so not advocating for a change at Center.
Everyone here should be an unabashed Tretter fan. Dude has played his heart out for us, usually hurt, and has played well.
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He played guard too. I’m an unabashed Tretter fan, so not advocating for a change at Center.
Everyone here should be an unabashed Tretter fan. Dude has played his heart out for us, usually hurt, and has played well.
Everyone here should be an unabashed Tretter fan. Dude has played his heart out for us, usually hurt, and has played well.
AND, something that doesn't seem to matter much, he's a good guy.
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When they were unsalvageable, he’d cut his own: Callaway, Whitehead and Corbett. Productive players who weren’t his guys were inactivated or dispensed of otherwise.
Like Tretter, Bitonio, Ogunjobi, Garrett, Schobert, Kirksey (who didn't play much but would have started both Dorsey years)...
You make Dorsey out to be different than EVERY new GM who stocks his team with HIS guys. You don't think that's going to happen in the next season or two?
Like Tretter, Bitonio, Ogunjobi, Garrett, Schobert, Kirksey (who didn't play much but would have started both Dorsey years)...
You make Dorsey out to be different than EVERY new GM who stocks his team with HIS guys. You don't think that's going to happen in the next season or two?
He was head of football operations his mandate is to build a team not create holes just to bring his guys in which happened all too often. This is an unfortunate trait of many GMs but it’s still a flaw.
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