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  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    I am hearing that perhaps the Browns may have a new "Structure"....that could look something like this:

    Director of Football Operations.     A man to oversee everything.    Say....a Peyton Manning?

    Player Personnel Director..... reporting to DFO.....in essence a GM, responsible for talent acquisition, pro and college (maybe...the young Wolf? and I don't mean Rob Stark)

    Head Coach....and his assistants.

    You will still have the likes of  Depodesta as  Strategic Planning coordinating with  DFO/PPD.....and such other "talent" people below the PPD.  

    That DFO  really would have to be someone that has the gravitas who can face down Haslam and his propensity to be impatient....it is why the Peyton Manning name is one I thought of.(plus that has been talked about before).   If there are other names....please post them.

    I am certainly not opposed to this (it probably would not be the first time this was employed:   Joe Banner?)..if it works, that is. 

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      So....it seems to me that despite a lot of  folderal  on here about the HC position.....should we not be concentrating on who this  Director of Football Operations  would be......?   Because I am hearing indications that that will be the priority position to fill.

      And those would be non coach guys.   (Like Guys we have had here in the past:   Banner, Mike Holmgren) 

      Names brought up:

      Peyton

      Ozzie Newsome

       I   am going to say it:  Bill Cowher

      And FYI....the "GM"...or DPP.....would be a guy, perhaps, who is subsidiary to the HC.  In essence, the HC  would get to do some of the grocery shopping...or at least tell the DPP what to shop for

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        Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
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        The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

        Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

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          Not sure how Depo's last two choices would have fared, but we know how those did that he did not want.

          That's a track record of sorts.

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            The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

            Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

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            @dutch-oven said:

            The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

            Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

            I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

            A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

            Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

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              @dutch-oven said:

              The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

              Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

              I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

              A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

              Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

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              @the-gipper said:

              I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

              A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

              Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

              Likely because you can't interview any coach who is active in the playoffs I believe.

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                @the-gipper said:

                I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

                A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

                Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

                Likely because you can't interview any coach who is active in the playoffs I believe.

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                @texasag1969 said:

                Likely because you can't interview any coach who is active in the playoffs I believe.

                Right, but that does not include McCarthy....and it didn't include Rivera...who got taken.  It doesn't include Meyer,  Lincoln Riley...or any of a couple other college coaches.  Like I said....they have to interview and hire the guy that is going to interview and hire the HC they may want. 

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                  darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by darren15
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                    @dutch-oven said:

                    The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

                    Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

                    I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

                    A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

                    Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

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                    @the-gipper said:

                    I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

                    A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

                    Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

                    They start today.

                    You really are incapable of ever admitting you are wrong. 

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                      @dutch-oven said:

                      The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

                      Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

                      I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

                      A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

                      Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

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                      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

                      M.McCarthy today.. my interest would be if Eliot Wolfe joins Dee/Jimmy/Depo/Johnson to interview https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sns-tns-bc-fbn-browns-coaching-search-20200102-story.html          Playoff coaches see bottom of link..Depo your basic coaching hire day planner with a 2020 calendar  

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                        @the-gipper said:

                        Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

                        M.McCarthy today.. my interest would be if Eliot Wolfe joins Dee/Jimmy/Depo/Johnson to interview https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sns-tns-bc-fbn-browns-coaching-search-20200102-story.html          Playoff coaches see bottom of link..Depo your basic coaching hire day planner with a 2020 calendar  

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                        @gumby73 said:

                        M.McCarthy today.. my interest would be if Eliot Wolfe joins Dee/Jimmy/Depo/Johnson to interview https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sns-tns-bc-fbn-browns-coaching-search-20200102-story.html          Playoff coaches see bottom of link..Depo your basic coaching hire day planner with a 2020 calendar  

                        Somebody needs to send the Haslams the George Costanza episode on "the opposite", because every decision they have made has been shit. Either that or blindfold them and let them throw at a dartboard full names. Either method will improve our chances tenfold.??

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                          @gumby73 said:

                          M.McCarthy today.. my interest would be if Eliot Wolfe joins Dee/Jimmy/Depo/Johnson to interview https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sns-tns-bc-fbn-browns-coaching-search-20200102-story.html          Playoff coaches see bottom of link..Depo your basic coaching hire day planner with a 2020 calendar  

                          Somebody needs to send the Haslams the George Costanza episode on "the opposite", because every decision they have made has been shit. Either that or blindfold them and let them throw at a dartboard full names. Either method will improve our chances tenfold.??

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                          @texasag1969 said:

                           because every decision they have made has been shit. Either that or blindfold them and let them throw at a dartboard full names.

                          like many maybe, I have no confidence in them today in closing this rat race down... that's even if McCarthy blows them away... If they are dumbfounded enough, to wait on interviewing McDaniels?  McCarthy will be signed elsewhere... If Baker's the guy? I trust McCarthy/contacts to get him right

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                            Not sure they could sign McCarthy today if they haven’t already interviewed a coach to satisfy the Rooney rule

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                              True that^^ so Sal at 9'ers fulfills that by Sunday'ish

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                                Not sure they could sign McCarthy today if they haven’t already interviewed a coach to satisfy the Rooney rule

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                                Not sure they could sign McCarthy today if they haven’t already interviewed a coach to satisfy the Rooney rule

                                How do you think Gettelman feels over the Dorsey Firing?

                                Riddle this...

                                The Giants are interviewing Dallas's DC Kris Richard today  (Rooney Rule applicant)

                                M.McCarthy will interview for Giants job Friday...

                                Edit--JD than takes job Jimma offered at giants..(if jags/skins don't hire him 1st as GM) 

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  I am saying that it may be probable that both  GM and HC will be subservients.

                                  A DFO may be hired before either.    I am thinking that the search there may be all on the low down....even that it may be possible that they have their head honcho, but may not want to announce it now because he may be with a current playoff team.....just speculating. 

                                  Despite the "talk"...and the requests to interview.......notice that no actual interviews have taken place for a HC. 

                                  They start today.

                                  You really are incapable of ever admitting you are wrong. 

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                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                                  @dutch-oven said:

                                  They start today.

                                  You really are incapable of ever admitting you are wrong. 

                                  I was not wrong when I made that post....was I.   As of yesterday, no one had been interviewed. 

                                  Beyond that....would they be doing things bass ackward if they hired  the HC  before they hired  a GM...or someone who would be in charge of football operations? 

                                  Or...is it their intent to make the HC  THE person in charge of football operations.   (like BB in NE?)

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                                    The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

                                    Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

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                                    @dutch-oven said:

                                    The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

                                    Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

                                    IIRC, the Browns  went  that route  once already,  hired the HC first and then the GM. Went over like a  lead balloon.  Please don't  make  the same mistake again,  but I  won't be  surprised if the Haslams are dumb enough to  make the  same mistake  twice. 

                                    @texasag1969 said:

                                    Likely because you can't interview any coach who is active in the playoffs I believe.

                                    Yes you can, and "the rules" were posted elsewhere.  I  have a feeling  that the  Browns are  only  interviewing  Bienemy to  satisfy the  Rooney rule. 

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                                      So....it seems to me that despite a lot of  folderal  on here about the HC position.....should we not be concentrating on who this  Director of Football Operations  would be......?   Because I am hearing indications that that will be the priority position to fill.

                                      And those would be non coach guys.   (Like Guys we have had here in the past:   Banner, Mike Holmgren) 

                                      Names brought up:

                                      Peyton

                                      Ozzie Newsome

                                       I   am going to say it:  Bill Cowher

                                      And FYI....the "GM"...or DPP.....would be a guy, perhaps, who is subsidiary to the HC.  In essence, the HC  would get to do some of the grocery shopping...or at least tell the DPP what to shop for

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      So....it seems to me that despite a lot of  folderal  on here about the HC position.....should we not be concentrating on who this  Director of Football Operations  would be......?   Because I am hearing indications that that will be the priority position to fill.

                                      And those would be non coach guys.   (Like Guys we have had here in the past:   Banner, Mike Holmgren) 

                                      Names brought up:

                                      Peyton

                                      Ozzie Newsome

                                       I   am going to say it:  Bill Cowher

                                      And FYI....the "GM"...or DPP.....would be a guy, perhaps, who is subsidiary to the HC.  In essence, the HC  would get to do some of the grocery shopping...or at least tell the DPP what to shop for

                                      Bill Cowher's content with tv. 

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                                        Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Todd Monken was reportedly open about the team's dysfunction during the 2019 season.

                                        According to Zac Jackson of The Athletic, Monken would tell opposing coaches prior to games that the Browns were a "total mess" and also suggested that there were inconsistencies between the game plans that were put in place and what happened on Sundays.

                                        Monken, who served as the head coach at Southern Mississippi from 2013 until 2015, was brought in by Freddie Kitchens to be the Browns' offensive coordinator in 2019, but it was Kitchens who had play-calling responsibilities.

                                        Kitchens spent part of 2018 as the Browns' offensive coordinator following the firing of head coach Hue Jackson. He seemed to work well with then-rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield and helped lead a Cleveland offense that ranked 13th in total yardage and 20th in scoring.

                                        The Browns dropped to 22nd in both yardage and scoring this season, however, despite the fact that they acquired wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. via trade with the New York Giants. Cleveland also went from 7-8-1 in 2018 to 6-10 this season and extended its playoff drought to an NFL-worst 17 years.

                                        As a result, Kitchens was fired after just one season as head coach, while the Browns and general manager John Dorsey mutually agreed to part ways.

                                        With Kitchens and Dorsey gone, Monken's fate will be up to whomever the Browns hire as their new head coach and GM, but it is difficult to envision him returning in the wake of Jackson's story.

                                        While there is plenty of work to do in Cleveland, whoever assumes the role of offensive coordinator will have plenty of talent to work with in 2020, including Mayfield, Beckham, running back Nick Chubb and wide receiver Jarvis Landry.

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                                          @dutch-oven said:

                                          The Browns seem to be looking for the HC first, then hiring a GM that the HC would want to work with. That's why everyone is talking about the head coach position.

                                          Now, I don't know what why they don't hire the GM, then let him hire the HC HE wants to work with, but apparently the Browns really want Paul DePodesta to run the head coaching search, not another new GM. 

                                          IIRC, the Browns  went  that route  once already,  hired the HC first and then the GM. Went over like a  lead balloon.  Please don't  make  the same mistake again,  but I  won't be  surprised if the Haslams are dumb enough to  make the  same mistake  twice. 

                                          @texasag1969 said:

                                          Likely because you can't interview any coach who is active in the playoffs I believe.

                                          Yes you can, and "the rules" were posted elsewhere.  I  have a feeling  that the  Browns are  only  interviewing  Bienemy to  satisfy the  Rooney rule. 

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                                          @hoorta said:

                                          IIRC, the Browns  went  that route  once already,  hired the HC first and then the GM. Went over like a  lead balloon.  Please don't  make  the same mistake again,  but I  won't be  surprised if the Haslams are dumb enough to  make the  same mistake  twice. 

                                          Yes you can, and "the rules" were posted elsewhere.  I  have a feeling  that the  Browns are  only  interviewing  Bienemy to  satisfy the  Rooney rule. 

                                          they could interview the stadium floor sweeper... same difference...

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