Browns to interview McCarthy
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Can’t recall what happened to McCarthy in Green Bay , it seems maybe the team quit on him. Does anyone else recall what happened??
Him and Rodgers couldn't get along supposedly.... His last two seasons were less than stellar. As Tour pointed out- they went from 6-9 to 13-3 this year- essentially same team, without McCarthy. Something to consider. I'm totally ambivalent on hiring him.
As I've been saying- you bring in Mike, you have to accept the whole package of assistant coaches he's already recruited.
Him and Rodgers couldn't get along supposedly.... His last two seasons were less than stellar. As Tour pointed out- they went from 6-9 to 13-3 this year- essentially same team, without McCarthy. Something to consider. I'm totally ambivalent on hiring him.
As I've been saying- you bring in Mike, you have to accept the whole package of assistant coaches he's already recruited.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Rogers also injured?
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Him and Rodgers couldn't get along supposedly.... His last two seasons were less than stellar. As Tour pointed out- they went from 6-9 to 13-3 this year- essentially same team, without McCarthy. Something to consider. I'm totally ambivalent on hiring him.
As I've been saying- you bring in Mike, you have to accept the whole package of assistant coaches he's already recruited.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Rogers also injured?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Rogers also injured?
Yes, he was in 2017. The Packers game was one of the closest near-wins the winless Browns had that year. Their QB was the Hunley kid from UCLA, I think that game.
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Before worrying about whether or not McCarthy or anyone else is hired....I believe that the first hiring will be of McCarthy's..or anyone's boss man. Director of Football Operations.
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I originally thought McCarthy would be our coach, but that was before Dorsey left. I figured the connection between them would easily seal the deal, but now I'm not sure.
First and foremost we need an offensive mind that can bring a talented staff adept at developing quarterbacks. The number one goal right now is the stabilization and improvement of Baker. We can't do a DAMN thing without him becoming a solid if not outstanding player. The truly scary aspect of Baker was not only his increased propensity to throw high, but also the prevalence of tunnel vision (locking on, predetermining receivers).
When Bob Riley said Kitchens wasn't responsible for the offensive improvement last year and that it was mostly Zampese (I think), I figured it was sour grapes. After all, Kitchens was the OC, Baker obviously favored him, and Kitchens was calling the dang plays. Well, fast forward to now and there may be some truth to old Wiley.
Kitchens wasn't ready to be a head coach and Dorsey should have known that. Maybe he WAS a solid OC, but apparently he needed more than 8 games to garner enough experience to make the leap to coach. It wasn't just the fact that Kitchens made mistakes, it was the fact he made the SAME mistakes multiple times. More than that, he made mistakes that casual fans wouldn't make, let alone NFL coaches.
For example, we heard multiple times this year how the opposition was often ready for what we were running on offense. I don't follow other NFL teams too closely, but I don't remember hearing that about ANY other team. I read an article recently that laid out many of Kitchens' fatal flaws, and one of them was Kitchens running the same play back to back. He may have inverted the alignment, but defenses are too smart for that. One such example resulted in a safety, another a 4th down stop against the Seahawks.
Some people like to say that Kitchens didn't run the ball enough, but that's not totally accurate. Kitchens MAIN problem was not knowing WHEN to run it. He was a MASTER at screwing up the clock, not getting it moving due to perpetual incomplete passes, and calling the wrong red zone plays. One game against Seattle he literally said the reason he didn't use more clock and run the ball was because he wanted to score quickly, force Russell Wilson to a 3 and out, and then score AGAIN before half. Local and national media were absolutely flummoxed by this, and it was at this specific time I began to have niggling seeds of doubt springing up in my mind.
I was a proponent for bringing Kitchens back deep into the season, but my main reason for bringing him back was for continuity. After Kitchens made the same time management gaffe against the Ravens that he had against Seattle, I knew that continuity was NOT a good enough reason to bring him back.
I'm sure most of you guys noticed, but we were so incredibly bad on BOTH offense and defense to end the year that it wasn't even funny. Teams like the Cardinals and Bengals basically moved the ball at will against us, and we gave up like 4 or 5 drives of 5-6 minutes against these teams per GAME. I hardly remember seeing the opposition's PUNTER in the last 4 or 5 games. We couldn't stop the run. Couldn't rush the passer. And couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. It was extremely pathetic, and this is just the defense.
Offensively, we got a LITTLE better with Kareem Hunt, especially in the red zone, but not dramatically better. We scored 15 points or LESS in 6 games this year. Yikes! Even when we did score our drives were clunky and laden with defensive penalties, timeouts, and riddled with negative plays. Throughout the season we never seemed to find a groove, and this was despite having relative health on the offensive side of the ball. We weren't explosive, we couldn't take advantage of play-action passing, and we were all too often predictable.
Dorsey has to share in the blame of the offense's woes too because he's the one who drafted and kept Calloway. He let go of Darren Fells, Duke Johnson, and Breshad Perriman. These aren't allstars, but they were integral pieces last year to our offense. Baker never found a rhythm with anyone this year except Landry, but even guys like Higgins fell off the map for whatever reason. The new coach AND the new GM will have to figure out ways to get players on the same page week in and week out, and we need to assemble a TEAM, not a collection of talent.
I still think we're an attractive destination for people, and I believe we'll have a great chance to make impactful signings. This will be a very important year for many reasons and I'm excited to see who we bring in to save our asses.
I disagree we need a LEADER and a guy that can unite personalities. A SB pedigree a definite plus. I think we have some tough millennial type personalities in the locker room that need a guy that has somewhat of a decorated background at the NFL level. We have way too many guys that THINK they know how to win in the NFL
This guys needs to step up when the Discipline issues on and off the field come up.
And then let this guy needs to select a O Coordinator and a QB whisperer (I agree the two most important spots with this team on the staff). Hopefully an O coordinator that gives a two back O a look - we should center our offense around hunt and Chubb with play action shots downfield
and this was unpopular when I said it on Dec. 1 but the defense quit. They body language and effort said it all. We have some talent but no doubt we need safeties and a downhill thumper at LB but we have some dudes on that side of the ball. But we had a garbage scheme and guys that gave up.
I think we have some tough millennial type personalities i
Almost every player in the NFL is a millennial. So I have zero idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Hell, Tom Brady is damn near in that generational group and he's 40.re: McCarthy - dude needs to learn how to run the ball. Had some decent tailbacks in Green Bay and never finished higher than 16th in rushing.
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I think we have some tough millennial type personalities i
Almost every player in the NFL is a millennial. So I have zero idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Hell, Tom Brady is damn near in that generational group and he's 40.re: McCarthy - dude needs to learn how to run the ball. Had some decent tailbacks in Green Bay and never finished higher than 16th in rushing.
Almost every player in the NFL is a millennial. So I have zero idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Hell, Tom Brady is damn near in that generational group and he's 40.re: McCarthy - dude needs to learn how to run the ball. Had some decent tailbacks in Green Bay and never finished higher than 16th in rushing.
Correct me if I'm wrong tia, but it seemed to me like Green Bay back then ALWAYS had injury problems with their RBs. I remember watching their playoff games and they seemingly always were on their 4th string RB.
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Almost every player in the NFL is a millennial. So I have zero idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Hell, Tom Brady is damn near in that generational group and he's 40.re: McCarthy - dude needs to learn how to run the ball. Had some decent tailbacks in Green Bay and never finished higher than 16th in rushing.
Correct me if I'm wrong tia, but it seemed to me like Green Bay back then ALWAYS had injury problems with their RBs. I remember watching their playoff games and they seemingly always were on their 4th string RB.
Correct me if I'm wrong tia, but it seemed to me like Green Bay back then ALWAYS had injury problems with their RBs. I remember watching their playoff games and they seemingly always were on their 4th string RB.
IIRC, Ryan Grant played really well the year of their last superbowl run but was banged up the following year. Then James Starks stepped in to provide some stability. I guess my comment was more on the emphasis, or lack of, that I feel McCarthy put on the running game. Felt Wisenhunt-ish at times.
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Correct me if I'm wrong tia, but it seemed to me like Green Bay back then ALWAYS had injury problems with their RBs. I remember watching their playoff games and they seemingly always were on their 4th string RB.
IIRC, Ryan Grant played really well the year of their last superbowl run but was banged up the following year. Then James Starks stepped in to provide some stability. I guess my comment was more on the emphasis, or lack of, that I feel McCarthy put on the running game. Felt Wisenhunt-ish at times.
IIRC, Ryan Grant played really well the year of their last superbowl run but was banged up the following year. Then James Starks stepped in to provide some stability. I guess my comment was more on the emphasis, or lack of, that I feel McCarthy put on the running game. Felt Wisenhunt-ish at times.
Yeah, the more I think about it, they did pass A LOT. I recall announcers talking about how they used their short passing game "as their running attack" often.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Rogers also injured?
Yes, he was in 2017. The Packers game was one of the closest near-wins the winless Browns had that year. Their QB was the Hunley kid from UCLA, I think that game.
Yes, he was in 2017. The Packers game was one of the closest near-wins the winless Browns had that year. Their QB was the Hunley kid from UCLA, I think that game.
ya i lost money on that game while i was in Vegas I mean everyone laughed at me for making that bet I hung my head in shame
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Him and Rodgers couldn't get along supposedly.... His last two seasons were less than stellar. As Tour pointed out- they went from 6-9 to 13-3 this year- essentially same team, without McCarthy. Something to consider. I'm totally ambivalent on hiring him.
As I've been saying- you bring in Mike, you have to accept the whole package of assistant coaches he's already recruited.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Rogers also injured?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Rogers also injured?
Had to check. Rodgers played in all 16 games in 2018. McCarthy apparently got fired after 11. Mike had 4 of their 6 wins.
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Correct me if am wrong here ?.. Browns 1st interview is with McCarthy like Tomorrow* 'Thursday' .. than i see reports only interviewing Robert Saleh in san fran this* weekend? (and yes Jimmy your flying to me) Meanwhile Skins have a coach & signed a decent D cord & somehow we have 8 to 10 more interviews to have? This year is off to a banging start..Tia, Can ya get a crew together to run our defense?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
How many different threads is cal going to tell us this? I think the over/under should be 5.5. I think it is up to 3.
He's in love... it'll pass.
Correct me if am wrong here ?.. Browns 1st interview is with McCarthy like Tomorrow* 'Thursday' .. than i see reports only interviewing Robert Saleh in san fran this* weekend? (and yes Jimmy your flying to me) Meanwhile Skins have a coach & signed a decent D cord & somehow we have 8 to 10 more interviews to have? This year is off to a banging start..Tia, Can ya get a crew together to run our defense?
Yup... feels like deja vu all over again.
We searched high and low once before and spent so much time interviewing only to see good candidates get snapped up by other teams. IIRC we ended up with Chud.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think we have some tough millennial type personalities i
Almost every player in the NFL is a millennial. So I have zero idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Hell, Tom Brady is damn near in that generational group and he's 40.re: McCarthy - dude needs to learn how to run the ball. Had some decent tailbacks in Green Bay and never finished higher than 16th in rushing.
Almost every player in the NFL is a millennial. So I have zero idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Hell, Tom Brady is damn near in that generational group and he's 40.re: McCarthy - dude needs to learn how to run the ball. Had some decent tailbacks in Green Bay and never finished higher than 16th in rushing.
I’ll spell it out for you because not all are bad some are just more entitled than others. Would you agree we have a few divas ?
the run game was window dressing with Rodgers and those 3/4 WRs they had - fortunate to have to that by the way. It would be an injustice not to go four wide and sling it all around with those tools
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... this was unpopular when I said it on Dec. 1 but the defense quit.
And I still disagree...
Happy New Year!
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and this was unpopular when I said it on Dec. 1 but the defense quit. They body language and effort said it all. We have some talent but no doubt we need safeties and a downhill thumper at LB but we have some dudes on that side of the ball. But we had a garbage scheme and guys that gave up.
I'd like to disagree with you but I can't. I realize we lost Myles Garrett and others, but watching teams like the Cardinals and Bengals drive up and down the field on us was unbearable. They quit.
I'd like to disagree with you but I can't. I realize we lost Myles Garrett and others, but watching teams like the Cardinals and Bengals drive up and down the field on us was unbearable. They quit.
The Cardinal game was flat out disgusting. The first Bengal game looked like our stupidity came in and then “do we really want this crept in”
maybe I’m harsh but the Steeler game Dec 1 was just as much a game where we didn’t seem to be willing to tackle and I spotted a guy like Mack Wilson wanting a hold call more than getting off a block and then jogging after a runner that just made it by him.
again maybe harsh but Robert Smith pointed it out last week. It’s not too far fetched for “professionals” to pack it in
is it crazy to think these guys didn’t want this coaching garbage back next season even if means proving themselves for another regime
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I'd like to disagree with you but I can't. I realize we lost Myles Garrett and others, but watching teams like the Cardinals and Bengals drive up and down the field on us was unbearable. They quit.
The Cardinal game was flat out disgusting. The first Bengal game looked like our stupidity came in and then “do we really want this crept in”
maybe I’m harsh but the Steeler game Dec 1 was just as much a game where we didn’t seem to be willing to tackle and I spotted a guy like Mack Wilson wanting a hold call more than getting off a block and then jogging after a runner that just made it by him.
again maybe harsh but Robert Smith pointed it out last week. It’s not too far fetched for “professionals” to pack it in
is it crazy to think these guys didn’t want this coaching garbage back next season even if means proving themselves for another regime
maybe I’m harsh but the Steeler game Dec 1 was just as much a game where we didn’t seem to be willing to tackle and I spotted a guy like Mack Wilson wanting a hold call more than getting off a block and then jogging after a runner that just made it by him.
That Steelers game was pretty much the end of the year...we just didn't know it. Even short-handed, our defense should have really been better. As bad as they were, that was another game that was really the fault of our OFFENSE. What did we score, 13? I mean, Jesus. Put some freaking points on the board!
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How many different threads is cal going to tell us this? I think the over/under should be 5.5. I think it is up to 3.
He's in love... it'll pass.
Correct me if am wrong here ?.. Browns 1st interview is with McCarthy like Tomorrow* 'Thursday' .. than i see reports only interviewing Robert Saleh in san fran this* weekend? (and yes Jimmy your flying to me) Meanwhile Skins have a coach & signed a decent D cord & somehow we have 8 to 10 more interviews to have? This year is off to a banging start..Tia, Can ya get a crew together to run our defense?
Yup... feels like deja vu all over again.
We searched high and low once before and spent so much time interviewing only to see good candidates get snapped up by other teams. IIRC we ended up with Chud.
We searched high and low once before and spent so much time interviewing only to see good candidates get snapped up by other teams. IIRC we ended up with Chud.
remember it.. just as spooky today as then..Panthers have interviewed MM twice already.. As i left Panthers stadium, the chatter was why browns with Dorsey & Highsmith out? am like Woofe-Woofe.. I also like Saleh.. Seems to have that Tomlin ticker inside..he might need a good OC & that list is short but doable..Am sure this thing ain't over till Dee gets to circle jerk her boy McDaniels. Who ya think gets paid more? McDaniels vs McCarthy.. at browns pricing
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It just feels like as public as most of the candidates are you would know thru videos of pressers, convos with players, coaches and FOs, and other informal recon who your top guy(s) is/are.
Then just bring them in one at a time in order of preference and unless the guy shits himself in the interview you make him an offer then and there.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
maybe I’m harsh but the Steeler game Dec 1 was just as much a game where we didn’t seem to be willing to tackle and I spotted a guy like Mack Wilson wanting a hold call more than getting off a block and then jogging after a runner that just made it by him.
That Steelers game was pretty much the end of the year...we just didn't know it. Even short-handed, our defense should have really been better. As bad as they were, that was another game that was really the fault of our OFFENSE. What did we score, 13? I mean, Jesus. Put some freaking points on the board!
That Steelers game was pretty much the end of the year...we just didn't know it
Man, I knew it the second it happened and anyone that was in the Tavern with me will probably verify that........... the stupidest, most undisciplined Browns team (including the coaches - kool shirt Freddie) I can remember.
But I'm sure the next former new regime will instantly fix it......... just listen to their upcoming inaugural press conference.
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How many different threads is cal going to tell us this? I think the over/under should be 5.5. I think it is up to 3.
He's in love... it'll pass.
Correct me if am wrong here ?.. Browns 1st interview is with McCarthy like Tomorrow* 'Thursday' .. than i see reports only interviewing Robert Saleh in san fran this* weekend? (and yes Jimmy your flying to me) Meanwhile Skins have a coach & signed a decent D cord & somehow we have 8 to 10 more interviews to have? This year is off to a banging start..Tia, Can ya get a crew together to run our defense?
Yup... feels like deja vu all over again.
We searched high and low once before and spent so much time interviewing only to see good candidates get snapped up by other teams. IIRC we ended up with Chud.
He's in love... it'll pass.
Yup... feels like deja vu all over again.
We searched high and low once before and spent so much time interviewing only to see good candidates get snapped up by other teams. IIRC we ended up with Chud.
That's my fear & we would also be late in getting good coordinators. I am NOT a McDaniels' fan... I just don't feel he is to be trusted. I'm also not enamored with our 2019 OC & DC. I'm hoping the MM interview results in a hiring.
Mike
PS: How do I change my avatar? I want to bring one of my old ones back.
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