Meyer as HC and GM
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Can't think of many situations where a person gets to choose his or her boss...
Didn't work with Mangini and Kokinis either, if I recall.
Hmmmmm. Right off hand I can't think of any, that would mean you have some power or control or maybe ownership of the situation greater than that of your boss.
That might happen in a marriage situation where the spouse's daddy owned a company and you can choose your boss. Highly unusual.
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Can't think of many situations where a person gets to choose his or her boss...
Didn't work with Mangini and Kokinis either, if I recall.
Well....here is the thing.....if the HC chooses the GM.....then the GM is NOT the boss. The HC is. Again, just look at the BB/NE example; and maybe Andy Reid, and maybe a few other teams.
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Can't think of many situations where a person gets to choose his or her boss...
Didn't work with Mangini and Kokinis either, if I recall.
Well....here is the thing.....if the HC chooses the GM.....then the GM is NOT the boss. The HC is. Again, just look at the BB/NE example; and maybe Andy Reid, and maybe a few other teams.
Well....here is the thing.....if the HC chooses the GM.....then the GM is NOT the boss. The HC is. Again, just look at the BB/NE example; and maybe Andy Reid, and maybe a few other teams.
You are right, but with the exception of Mike McCarthy, no one being interviewed is even close to the stature of Belichick or Andy Reid. They've earned that right. Josh McDaniels? Eh...
I mean, I get the whole idea of wanting the GM and HC to be on the same page, but that wasn't the problem with Dorsey and Kitchens. The problem was Dorsey chose the wrong guy... and if he did hire him more on the fact that he wouldn't be a threat than that he was the best man for the job, then it's kind of hard to defend Dorsey getting forced out.
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Can't think of many situations where a person gets to choose his or her boss...
There's a difference between having input and "getting to choose".
Besides.... if the HC is not to report to the GM, then the above is not the case... is it?
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Can't think of many situations where a person gets to choose his or her boss...
There's a difference between having input and "getting to choose".
Besides.... if the HC is not to report to the GM, then the above is not the case... is it?
There's a difference between having input and "getting to choose".
Besides.... if the HC is not to report to the GM, then the above is not the case... is it?
This whole situation is goofy, so who would the HC report to? What does the GM do? Does everyone only report to the owner?
Not a very efficient chain of command.......but then again this is Believeland.
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There's a difference between having input and "getting to choose".
Besides.... if the HC is not to report to the GM, then the above is not the case... is it?
This whole situation is goofy, so who would the HC report to? What does the GM do? Does everyone only report to the owner?
Not a very efficient chain of command.......but then again this is Believeland.
This whole situation is goofy, so who would the HC report to? What does the GM do? Does everyone only report to the owner?
Not a very efficient chain of command.......but then again this is Believeland.
It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
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It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
It might in the right situation but is the Haslam show the right situation? (no)
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I saw (briefly) JH on the tube tonight talking about the common traits in winning teams that are perennial playoff teams and having the same goals or visions.... something like that.....and what he was trying to do in putting this staff together.
We'll see how good he is putting a sports management team together.
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It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
It might in the right situation but is the Haslam show the right situation? (no)
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It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
Bingo... but it only can if two adults who respect each other fill the roles. This is especially so in our case since Jimmah has already shown once that he can't be trusted to mediate disputes.
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You told me you like art for setting up the current Afcn. That’s when I lost my respect for you. Get any mirrors as gifts?
You don’t remember the tarmac meet? Or how artsy farts was the nfl owner that lost money? Or telling me how much adoration you have for him setting up the afcn as it is.
the nfl was going to take the team from your hero for the way he bled money. You agdmire him but aren’t a fan.... lolYou are in serious need of remedial reading. Here's proof...
Not a fan of Modell by any stretch, but pissing on his "grave"? No... I draw the line at "Jump, Art! JUMP!"
As for the Ravens... They are a natural rival given our history... and I love rivalries. What other team shares a division with three, true rivals? Where two rivals, CIN and BLT, were made off the playing field? It's been 20 years, but we are finally approaching the full realization of all those rivalries on the field.
Who can we thank for setting up our unique division? Art...
I love it...
You are in serious need of remedial reading. Here's proof...
My mistake your not a fan. You only love what he did. Sheeesh
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haslem just said he is looking for a coach with nfl experience
what ever jimma
Actually what Jimmah just said is... "Right now, we are just focusing on people with NFL experience.” Smacks of Jimmah feeling like he has Urban in his backpocket.
So the question becomes... how long is right now?
Anyone see a problem with a GM AND a HC reporting to the owner?
It didn’t work for Pettine & Farmer...I highly doubt it’s going to work this time around.
I don't remember it being a huge issue with Pet and Farmer. Now Hue and Sashi... huge issue.
But this time giving the new HC a role in choosing his GM has the possibility of mitigating any problems.
I don't remember it being a huge issue with Pet and Farmer. Now Hue and Sashi... huge issue.
I recall Farmer bypassing Pettine and sending text messages to Shanahan.
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It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
So, Seattle, New England, Kansas City Others....where HC is the boss of GM. Those 3 franchises have been successful with it.
A better question is: Does any other franchise have this so called "equilibrium" with its HC and GM.....as seemingly the Browns may want to do?
And, if so, how successful has that been?
(I believe that may have been the case in the old Tom Landry/Gil Brandt days...but not sure since)
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The Cleveland Browns like any of the other 32 teams is no small operation maybe run differently than some others but a big "corporation" in itself. Just scroll down and see what is involved in making the BROWNS tick. https://www.vegasinsider.com/live-odds/line-originator/nevada
This is just a small sample:
The first two names on that list are also the two biggest reasons to run from this team.
I'd certainly love to see him coaching for any team I root for, but I just don't think the odds are in the Browns' favor
The first two names on that list are also the two biggest reasons to run from this team.
I'd certainly love to see him coaching for any team I root for, but I just don't think the odds are in the Browns' favor
True in a lot of ways if you have an owner/CEO/GM/"HC"/dictator running everything good luck trying to put any organization of any size or complexity together and have it run successfully over time it seldom if ever works.
It's just one of the problems with the new era of multi-multimillionaire or now multibillionaire owners running sports teams and wanting instant results.
And the coaching carrousels will continue......
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The first two names on that list are also the two biggest reasons to run from this team.
I'd certainly love to see him coaching for any team I root for, but I just don't think the odds are in the Browns' favor
True in a lot of ways if you have an owner/CEO/GM/"HC"/dictator running everything good luck trying to put any organization of any size or complexity together and have it run successfully over time it seldom if ever works.
It's just one of the problems with the new era of multi-multimillionaire or now multibillionaire owners running sports teams and wanting instant results.
And the coaching carrousels will continue......
True in a lot of ways if you have an owner/CEO/GM/"HC"/dictator running everything good luck trying to put any organization of any size or complexity together and have it run successfully over time it seldom if ever works.
It's just one of the problems with the new era of multi-multimillionaire or now multibillionaire owners running sports teams and wanting instant results.
And the coaching carrousels will continue......
So, are you saying he.....Meyer....would want no part of the Cowboys because of control freak Jerrah being there?
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True in a lot of ways if you have an owner/CEO/GM/"HC"/dictator running everything good luck trying to put any organization of any size or complexity together and have it run successfully over time it seldom if ever works.
It's just one of the problems with the new era of multi-multimillionaire or now multibillionaire owners running sports teams and wanting instant results.
And the coaching carrousels will continue......
So, are you saying he.....Meyer....would want no part of the Cowboys because of control freak Jerrah being there?
So, are you saying he.....Meyer....would want no part of the Cowboys because of control freak Jerrah being there?
In reference to the Browns organization and post.
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So, are you saying he.....Meyer....would want no part of the Cowboys because of control freak Jerrah being there?
In reference to the Browns organization and post.
In reference to the Browns organization and post.
That was not my question. My question is do you think he is still a viable candidate for the Dallas job. I mean, anything that applies to Haslam re being a dictator applies in spades to the Gay Caballeros with Jones.
Oh I am a gay caballero
Going to Rio Janiero
With nice oily hair,
And full of hot air,
I'm an expert at shooting the bull-eoI'll find me a fair senorita
Not thin and yet not too much meat-a.
I'll woo her a while
In my Argentine style
And sweep her right off of her feet-aI'll tell her I'm of the nobilio
And live in a great big castillio.
I must have a miss
Who will long for a kiss
And not say "Oh don't be so silly-io.It was at a gay cabaretta
While wining and dining I met her.
We had one or two
As other folks do.
The night was wet but we got wetter.She was a dancer and singer
At me she kept pointing her finger
And saying to me
"Si, Senor, Si Si"
But I couldn't see a durn thing-er -
My mistake your not a fan. You only love what he did. Sheeesh
Well at least you've learned something today...
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I recall Farmer bypassing Pettine and sending text messages to Shanahan.
lol... true that, but wrong direction unless they were secretly reporting to Shanny the younger...
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It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
So, Seattle, New England, Kansas City Others....where HC is the boss of GM. Those 3 franchises have been successful with it.
A better question is: Does any other franchise have this so called "equilibrium" with its HC and GM.....as seemingly the Browns may want to do?
And, if so, how successful has that been?
(I believe that may have been the case in the old Tom Landry/Gil Brandt days...but not sure since)
So, Seattle, New England, Kansas City Others....where HC is the boss of GM. Those 3 franchises have been successful with it.
A better question is: Does any other franchise have this so called "equilibrium" with its HC and GM.....as seemingly the Browns may want to do?
And, if so, how successful has that been?
(I believe that may have been the case in the old Tom Landry/Gil Brandt days...but not sure since)
Seems like it would work if things are in constant harmony.
trouble or $&@ hitting the fan. I see a lot of finger pointing and attempting to CYA
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