Meyer as HC and GM
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I recall Farmer bypassing Pettine and sending text messages to Shanahan.
lol... true that, but wrong direction unless they were secretly reporting to Shanny the younger...
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It has worked... Seattle has this set-up, for example.
So, Seattle, New England, Kansas City Others....where HC is the boss of GM. Those 3 franchises have been successful with it.
A better question is: Does any other franchise have this so called "equilibrium" with its HC and GM.....as seemingly the Browns may want to do?
And, if so, how successful has that been?
(I believe that may have been the case in the old Tom Landry/Gil Brandt days...but not sure since)
So, Seattle, New England, Kansas City Others....where HC is the boss of GM. Those 3 franchises have been successful with it.
A better question is: Does any other franchise have this so called "equilibrium" with its HC and GM.....as seemingly the Browns may want to do?
And, if so, how successful has that been?
(I believe that may have been the case in the old Tom Landry/Gil Brandt days...but not sure since)
Seems like it would work if things are in constant harmony.
trouble or $&@ hitting the fan. I see a lot of finger pointing and attempting to CYA
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So, Seattle, New England, Kansas City Others....where HC is the boss of GM. Those 3 franchises have been successful with it.
A better question is: Does any other franchise have this so called "equilibrium" with its HC and GM.....as seemingly the Browns may want to do?
And, if so, how successful has that been?
(I believe that may have been the case in the old Tom Landry/Gil Brandt days...but not sure since)
Seems like it would work if things are in constant harmony.
trouble or $&@ hitting the fan. I see a lot of finger pointing and attempting to CYA
49ers are another...
I see a lot of finger pointing and attempting to CYA
When the wrong people are in the positions, absolutely... and worse, e.g., back stabbing, etc.
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49ers are another...
I see a lot of finger pointing and attempting to CYA
When the wrong people are in the positions, absolutely... and worse, e.g., back stabbing, etc.
49ers are another...
When the wrong people are in the positions, absolutely... and worse, e.g., back stabbing, etc.
Present day, This is much tougher spot for a HC than a GM. I don’t think the structure is appealing to a GM. Most I believe want to select the HC or at least have the input
the GM will not be selecting a QB for the foreseeable future. The GM has cap room and draft capital (18 picks this and and next year including 4 in top 3 rounds this year). They’ve got a pass this year getting started later than usual.
the HC has to try to cobble all these personalities into a team and deal with an undisciplined group thanks to Freddie. And like it or not Fix our QB.
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HCs plate will certainly be full... makes you wonder why he'd want most or all the GM duties as well.
Key is a collaborative approach.
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HCs plate will certainly be full... makes you wonder why he'd want most or all the GM duties as well.
Key is a collaborative approach.
-----> HCs plate will certainly be full... makes you wonder why he'd want most or all the GM duties as well.
Key is a collaborative approach.
KEY point! This is not an old, stable, mature, well run organization and team everyone in the FO and the coaches in camp and on the field will have their hands full to try and make this a .500+ winning team.
No time to go experimenting with new ways to handle a young NFL team. And having multiple people reporting directly to the boss (who's no football guy) is a BAD idea to me.
Just sayin'......
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HCs plate will certainly be full... makes you wonder why he'd want most or all the GM duties as well.
Key is a collaborative approach.
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-----> HCs plate will certainly be full... makes you wonder why he'd want most or all the GM duties as well.
Key is a collaborative approach.
KEY point! This is not an old, stable, mature, well run organization and team everyone in the FO and the coaches in camp and on the field will have their hands full to try and make this a .500+ winning team.
No time to go experimenting with new ways to handle a young NFL team. And having multiple people reporting directly to the boss (who's no football guy) is a BAD idea to me.
Just sayin'......
KEY point! This is not an old, stable, mature, well run organization and team everyone in the FO and the coaches in camp and on the field will have their hands full to try and make this a .500+ winning team.
No time to go experimenting with new ways to handle a young NFL team. And having multiple people reporting directly to the boss (who's no football guy) is a BAD idea to me.
Just sayin'......
The Browns have been around since 1946...so they are an old franchise. Stable? not under this ownership. Mature? Depends on what you are talking about...the franchise is mature, but perhaps some of the people running it are not. Well run.....certain not.
And by "Young NFL team" I assume you mean the average age of the players on its roster?
But, yes, having multiple people reporting directly to the boss who is no football guy, I agree is bad. We went through that before.
It is why I fell for the suggestion that Haslam would hire a Director of Football Operations.....like Peyton, or Ozzie. Seemed to make some sense to me.....but instead...he hired himself for that job, apparently. He must be enamored with the Jerry Jones model of doing things.
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HCs plate will certainly be full... makes you wonder why he'd want most or all the GM duties as well.
Key is a collaborative approach.
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Schefter is reporting an expanded role for Dee...word is whoever our new hire is will be reporting directly to her.
Schefter is reporting an expanded role for Dee...word is whoever our new hire is will be reporting directly to her.
So, the evolution of hiring criteria for a HC now puts a major emphasis on cutest dimples.
As for the new GM within the ever changing/never been job description now adds a breakthrough feature to promote workable relations between HC and the GM he has a large say in hiring. That would be the new GM must ask the new HC at every opportunity "Can I push your stool in?"
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Have to admit that I am warming to the thought of Urban getting the job(s).
Main thing is that he has to have been a delegator to do as well as he did at the highest levels of the college ranks which with recruiting is an even heavier burden than the Pros.
Plus we know that Urban's on field interests were focused on Special Teams... infinitely more manageable added load than Offense or Defense.
Finally he attracted quality staff wherever he coached and has a sprouted respectable coaching tree.
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Have to admit that I am warming to the thought of Urban getting the job(s).
Main thing is that he has to have been a delegator to do as well as he did at the highest levels of the college ranks which with recruiting is an even heavier burden than the Pros.
Plus we know that Urban's on field interests were focused on Special Teams... infinitely more manageable added load than Offense or Defense.
Finally he attracted quality staff wherever he coached and has a sprouted respectable coaching tree.
Have to admit that I am warming to the thought of Urban getting the job(s).
Main thing is that he has to have been a delegator to do as well as he did at the highest levels of the college ranks which with recruiting is an even heavier burden than the Pros.
Plus we know that Urban's on field interests were focused on Special Teams... infinitely more manageable added load than Offense or Defense.
Finally he attracted quality staff wherever he coached and has a sprouted respectable coaching tree.
Urban may end up being the best of what's left......if he really wants either the HC or both.
Reminds me of a few years back when the BROWNS couldn't land the better FA QBs and got what was left.
I hope Cleveland isn't going to turn toxic again to new coaches and players. (The Haslam effect?)
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