Why should we have faith that Haslam will get it right this time?
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After watching his presser I have no faith. Said the same damn thing he said the last 4 times. Sounds like he is going to have all his workers do research to tell him what to do, then he will do whatever the hell he wants to do anyway.
Obviously he wants and is waiting for McDaniels and I feel like that pairing has the potential to be the biggest disaster we have seen in Cleveland yet. (Based on his awesome stint in Denver and watching him screw the Colts.... who does that??) And that’s saying something. Giving a guy like that control like Billy B has for a few seasons and could be talking about another complete 7 year rebuild.
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After watching his presser I have no faith. Said the same damn thing he said the last 4 times. Sounds like he is going to have all his workers do research to tell him what to do, then he will do whatever the hell he wants to do anyway.
Obviously he wants and is waiting for McDaniels and I feel like that pairing has the potential to be the biggest disaster we have seen in Cleveland yet. (Based on his awesome stint in Denver and watching him screw the Colts.... who does that??) And that’s saying something. Giving a guy like that control like Billy B has for a few seasons and could be talking about another complete 7 year rebuild.
After watching his presser I have no faith. Said the same damn thing he said the last 4 times. Sounds like he is going to have all his workers do research to tell him what to do, then he will do whatever the hell he wants to do anyway.
Right now besides his somewhat former gas station gig he strikes me as a guy trying to run a local McDonald's burger joint.
And the future of the Cleveland Browns is in his hands.
Good news might be that he's pursuing new owners?
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Just because someone is successful in one field does NOT guarantee that they will be just as successful in a totally different field.
Some good management skills are transferable to other jobs some, particularly the sports arena, can be very tricky.
Mr Haslam hasn't been very successful so far.....uh-oh time? What next?
Just because someone is successful in one field does NOT guarantee that they will be just as successful in a totally different field.
Some good management skills are transferable to other jobs some, particularly the sports arena, can be very tricky.
Mr Haslam hasn't been very successful do far.....uh-oh time? What next?
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
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Good research Orion. Pretty sure very few of us are confident this will go well. I tend to think Haslam hiring Dorsey WAS the blind squirrel finding a nut. Maybe not the healthiest of nuts, but at least something that resembles sustenance.
I’ll attempt to play devil’s advocate though and answer the question.
Haslam does have a decent foundation of a team and has the opportunity to find the guys willing to mold it. In particular, he has Baker, and l get the jury has been out all year on him, but we all saw the flashes of talent here and there and he certainly has the heave ho arm, so there’s something to work with there.
My guess is that’s s focal point of this search. What candidate has the interest and chops to mold him into an actual grown up without quashing that fire? It can’t be an easy task.
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Just because someone is successful in one field does NOT guarantee that they will be just as successful in a totally different field.
Some good management skills are transferable to other jobs some, particularly the sports arena, can be very tricky.
Mr Haslam hasn't been very successful do far.....uh-oh time? What next?
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
That figures even more when you inherit a business from Dad or Grandpa and don't even know that you have a major criminal case going on by 17 convicted employees for about $180 million in fines and penalties.......and you are unaware of it...... major red flags !
I haven't seen the deal details that Warren Buffett got from the eventual total takeover of Pilot but I might dig it up later.
Meanwhile this is the guy running our beloved BROWNS, omg. Time to punt before this emplodes underneath him the way Pilot did -but-what will make him sell? The NFL owners can do it but will the BROWNS get worse in the meanwhile?
Rich kid with money and no idea what he's doing oh yeah that's a recipe for disaster.
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Just because someone is successful in one field does NOT guarantee that they will be just as successful in a totally different field.
Some good management skills are transferable to other jobs some, particularly the sports arena, can be very tricky.
Mr Haslam hasn't been very successful do far.....uh-oh time? What next?
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Oh one more thing Jimmy here is no Jerrrah by a long shot !
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Just because someone is successful in one field does NOT guarantee that they will be just as successful in a totally different field.
Some good management skills are transferable to other jobs some, particularly the sports arena, can be very tricky.
Mr Haslam hasn't been very successful do far.....uh-oh time? What next?
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
I believe that Jimmy Haslam's dad may still be alive.....and for what its worth (nothing to any of us)...I do believe it is Jimmy that transformed the company into the national corporate presence that it has today. (and which allowed him to sell it for billions to Warren Buffett)
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I think the answer to the thread title is: We have NO reason to place any faith in Haslam to do things right. He has done nothing to earn that faith.
All we can offer is HOPE that it will turn out right this time around. That is all.
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Just because someone is successful in one field does NOT guarantee that they will be just as successful in a totally different field.
Some good management skills are transferable to other jobs some, particularly the sports arena, can be very tricky.
Mr Haslam hasn't been very successful do far.....uh-oh time? What next?
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Part of the acquisition story. Transport Topics, March 2018. https://www.ttnews.com/articles/warren-buffett-reveals-he-paid-2786-billion-stake-pilot-flying-j
Warren Buffett said his Berkshire Hathaway Inc. made only one “sensible” stand-alone acquisition last year, and it didn’t do much for his growing pile of cash.
Berkshire paid $2.76 billion for its 38.6% stake in Pilot Travel Centers, the owner of the Pilot Flying J truck stop chain, according to an insurance filing. Berkshire didn’t disclose the purchase price when it announced the deal in October, and hasn’t revealed the figure in subsequent reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission......
........Berkshire will eventually become a bigger shareholder in Pilot Travel Centers. The company agreed to increase its stake in the firm to 80% in 2023. Pilot Flying J has been run by Jimmy Haslam, the son of Pilot Corp. founder Jim Haslam, since 1996. The Haslam family will retain a 20% stake in the parent company.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
We shouldn't, can only hope this is an exception to the quote "past performance doesn't guarantee results". It only took them 7 yrs to realize that everyone in a football organization should have a unified goal. 2018/19 Baltimore Ravens are a testament to this as I've stated on this forum before.
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We shouldn't, can only hope this is an exception to the quote "past performance doesn't guarantee results". It only took them 7 yrs to realize that everyone in a football organization should have a unified goal. 2018/19 Baltimore Ravens are a testament to this as I've stated on this forum before.
We shouldn't, can only hope this is an exception to the quote "past performance doesn't guarantee results". It only took them 7 yrs to realize that everyone in a football organization should have a unified goal. 2018/19 Baltimore Ravens are a testament to this as I've stated on this forum before.
Are you saying that they didn't have that goal with their first go at it when they hired Banner and Lombardi and had them do the head coaching search?
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Um, IIRC Haslam inherited Pilot from his dad. Sure looks like Jimmy is following the Jerry Jones model of ownership. Who knows, but maybe the blind squirrel can pull a Jimmy Johnson out of his ass this time. But as of now I have no confidence whatsoever he's capable of it.
Part of the acquisition story. Transport Topics, March 2018. https://www.ttnews.com/articles/warren-buffett-reveals-he-paid-2786-billion-stake-pilot-flying-j
Warren Buffett said his Berkshire Hathaway Inc. made only one “sensible” stand-alone acquisition last year, and it didn’t do much for his growing pile of cash.
Berkshire paid $2.76 billion for its 38.6% stake in Pilot Travel Centers, the owner of the Pilot Flying J truck stop chain, according to an insurance filing. Berkshire didn’t disclose the purchase price when it announced the deal in October, and hasn’t revealed the figure in subsequent reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission......
........Berkshire will eventually become a bigger shareholder in Pilot Travel Centers. The company agreed to increase its stake in the firm to 80% in 2023. Pilot Flying J has been run by Jimmy Haslam, the son of Pilot Corp. founder Jim Haslam, since 1996. The Haslam family will retain a 20% stake in the parent company.
Part of the acquisition story. Transport Topics, March 2018. https://www.ttnews.com/articles/warren-buffett-reveals-he-paid-2786-billion-stake-pilot-flying-j
Warren Buffett said his Berkshire Hathaway Inc. made only one “sensible” stand-alone acquisition last year, and it didn’t do much for his growing pile of cash.
Berkshire paid $2.76 billion for its 38.6% stake in Pilot Travel Centers, the owner of the Pilot Flying J truck stop chain, according to an insurance filing. Berkshire didn’t disclose the purchase price when it announced the deal in October, and hasn’t revealed the figure in subsequent reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission......
........Berkshire will eventually become a bigger shareholder in Pilot Travel Centers. The company agreed to increase its stake in the firm to 80% in 2023. Pilot Flying J has been run by Jimmy Haslam, the son of Pilot Corp. founder Jim Haslam, since 1996. The Haslam family will retain a 20% stake in the parent company.
Great.....now dig up the story of the deal wherein Jimmy Haslam sells the Browns.
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Part of the acquisition story. Transport Topics, March 2018. https://www.ttnews.com/articles/warren-buffett-reveals-he-paid-2786-billion-stake-pilot-flying-j
Warren Buffett said his Berkshire Hathaway Inc. made only one “sensible” stand-alone acquisition last year, and it didn’t do much for his growing pile of cash.
Berkshire paid $2.76 billion for its 38.6% stake in Pilot Travel Centers, the owner of the Pilot Flying J truck stop chain, according to an insurance filing. Berkshire didn’t disclose the purchase price when it announced the deal in October, and hasn’t revealed the figure in subsequent reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission......
........Berkshire will eventually become a bigger shareholder in Pilot Travel Centers. The company agreed to increase its stake in the firm to 80% in 2023. Pilot Flying J has been run by Jimmy Haslam, the son of Pilot Corp. founder Jim Haslam, since 1996. The Haslam family will retain a 20% stake in the parent company.
Great.....now dig up the story of the deal wherein Jimmy Haslam sells the Browns.
Great.....now dig up the story of the deal wherein Jimmy Haslam sells the Browns.
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
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Great.....now dig up the story of the deal wherein Jimmy Haslam sells the Browns.
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
As a rule NOBODY wants to ever sell an NFL franchise especially with the new TV contract. We might be in deep do waiting for this to happen unless something weird happens.
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I have every confidence they'll get it VERY wrong!
Yeah it's like we expect the sky to fall in......again. I don't think many are going to pick the BROWNS to be in the Super Bowl next year.
Hell I just hope that they don't screw up the draft in Vegas.
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Yeah it's like we expect the sky to fall in......again. I don't think many are going to pick the BROWNS to be in the Super Bowl next year.
Hell I just hope that they don't screw up the draft in Vegas.
I hope the stage in Vegas implodes, landing on Ghoolie.
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Great.....now dig up the story of the deal wherein Jimmy Haslam sells the Browns.
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
Yep.....but....had to keep the bag on:
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Great.....now dig up the story of the deal wherein Jimmy Haslam sells the Browns.
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
Remember when we Browns fans were so excited when the news broke that Randy Lerner had sold the Browns?
I was on another board at the time. And I was not happy that he sold the team. I remember telling all of the 'happy' people about 'The Devil That You Know' old saying. I was saying how Randy was a perfectly fine owner. He was willing to spend what ever money was required. He was a self-acclaimed 'fan' just like we were. He stayed out of the football operations (no meddling). He didn't hire the right guy(s). Apparently, that's not too easy. AND, as an owner, he wasn't somebody that was toxic to coaches and executives in the NFL.
People didn't like him because he liked soccer I guess.
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