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For sanity sake, let's list Dorsey's mistakes...

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  • @londonbrown said:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/john-dorsey-had-to-go-plus-the-cleveland-browns-must-embrace-informed-decision-making

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

  • I'd forgotten about the genius that was the Brockmeister trade...

    Actually Smith was wanting Andrew Berry to come back and succeed... I could live with that.

    Both articles were good opinion pieces.

  • @londonbrown said:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/john-dorsey-had-to-go-plus-the-cleveland-browns-must-embrace-informed-decision-making

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

    He has a decent gig writing for SI whereas you spend most of your day throwing insults at someone thousands of miles away via the Internet 

    I’m not sure he’s the tool when sat in a room with you to be honest Dutchie

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

    He has a decent gig writing for SI whereas you spend most of your day throwing insults at someone thousands of miles away via the Internet 

    I’m not sure he’s the tool when sat in a room with you to be honest Dutchie

    @londonbrown said:

    He has a decent gig writing for SI whereas you spend most of your day throwing insults at someone thousands of miles away via the Internet 

    I’m not sure he’s the tool when sat in a room with you to be honest Dutchie

    When you threatened to quit this board and stormed off when you were called out for being a whiny bitch, were your tears extra salty? 

  • @londonbrown said:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/john-dorsey-had-to-go-plus-the-cleveland-browns-must-embrace-informed-decision-making

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

    Besides hating Landry (and Chad Thomas) his takes are usually pretty good plus they're good enough for Sports Illustrated to pay him for them.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I absolutely love that you keep posting Pete Smith's garbage.

    I actually know this tool. He's a local JV high school assistant coach (or was) who fancies himself as a football guru. Like you with Sashi, Pete had to be put on suicide watch when the Browns fired Joe Banner. He's a dork who never came close to actually playing a second of football who desperately wants the DePodestas, Sashi Browns and Joe Banners of the world to be relevant to validate his dream of being something in football, and the John Dorseys of the world are keeping him from it. 

    Besides hating Landry (and Chad Thomas) his takes are usually pretty good plus they're good enough for Sports Illustrated to pay him for them.

    @mddawg said:

    Besides hating Landry (and Chad Thomas) his takes are usually pretty good plus they're good enough for Sports Illustrated to pay him for them.

    I specifically loved how he kept telling us for years how Barkevious Mingo was a great pick for the Browns, and Mangini's first draft was genius because he refused to ever admit he was wrong. His love for Joe Banner was PoG/Saquon creepy... ? 

  • @mddawg said:

    Besides hating Landry (and Chad Thomas) his takes are usually pretty good plus they're good enough for Sports Illustrated to pay him for them.

    I specifically loved how he kept telling us for years how Barkevious Mingo was a great pick for the Browns, and Mangini's first draft was genius because he refused to ever admit he was wrong. His love for Joe Banner was PoG/Saquon creepy... ? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I specifically loved how he kept telling us for years how Barkevious Mingo was a great pick for the Browns, and Mangini's first draft was genius because he refused to ever admit he was wrong. His love for Joe Banner was PoG/Saquon creepy... ? 

    Doesn't Mingo have a SB ring with the Patriots? We're victims of innumerable scheme changes that hasn't enhanced our players strengths.

  • Baking up Turnovers said:

    Drafting Baker 1st overall when he could have taken Sam Darnold, Josh Allen or future HOFer Lamar Jackson. 

    Signing Hunt

    Hiring Kitchens

    Bringing in OBJ. 

    We could have let Ghoolie ...or Retard back on the board instead of letting you back on.  

    So, we all make mistakes.  I do NOT think what you say is proof that any mistake was made.   

  • Drafting Corbett ahead of Nick Chubb at the start of round 2 after having all night and day to think it over.

    Drafting Corbett AT ALL.

    Trading Zeitler away for Vernon.   (points right back to the Corbett decision, except a year later)

    After signing Hunt, answering the reporter's question, "Does signing Hunt make Duke expendable?"  by saying, "Not yet."  That obviously made Duke feel like shit so that he wanted out.  And Duke is/was MILES better than Hilliard!

    Hiring Freddie.  Perhaps some of us would have done the same thing, but it's still on Dorsey.

    ......what else goes on the negative side of the ledger?    I mean, to me, he brought in a lot of talent.  He made some mistakes, but that's being human.

    @orion said:

    Drafting Corbett ahead of Nick Chubb at the start of round 2 after having all night and day to think it over.

    Drafting Corbett AT ALL.

    Trading Zeitler away for Vernon.   (points right back to the Corbett decision, except a year later)

    After signing Hunt, answering the reporter's question, "Does signing Hunt make Duke expendable?"  by saying, "Not yet."  That obviously made Duke feel like shit so that he wanted out.  And Duke is/was MILES better than Hilliard!

    Hiring Freddie.  Perhaps some of us would have done the same thing, but it's still on Dorsey.

    ......what else goes on the negative side of the ledger?    I mean, to me, he brought in a lot of talent.  He made some mistakes, but that's being human.

  • I forget, did we mention letting Darren Fells go?    We must have.  He had a pretty nice game against Buffalo today.  Of course he shouldn't be left alone blocking a defensive end.  

    Taking our OL from a condition that needed tweaking, to a condition of major work required was the thing that really crippled the team the most.