HC/GM/Position Coach tracker
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McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
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Yep. The more jobs That fly off the shelf the more leverage we hold.
Except getting quality coordinators and assistants. The other guys will waste no time rounding out their staffs. We still have Wilks and Monken in the building, but will the new HC want to keep them?
Except getting quality coordinators and assistants. The other guys will waste no time rounding out their staffs. We still have Wilks and Monken in the building, but will the new HC want to keep them?
If he's smart...he'll send them packing.
Just don't bring back Ray Horton.
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McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
Agree, Josh is another one of those coaches that think he's a GM too.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
McDaniels, Meyer, or Garrett. All extremely experienced in their own unique ways.
This is quite the year to find a HC.I’ll pass on Stefanski after that Todd Haley style reverse pass to halt the momentum on a playoff drive yesterday against the Saints. Vikings were driving. 1st and 10=loss of 5 yards. Drive killer.
Was that a Todd Haley style play.....or a Freddie Kitchens style of play.
Was that a Todd Haley style play.....or a Freddie Kitchens style of play.
Both. They both called those types of plays. Trying to impose their will as a trickster play-caller, instead of letting players like Baker, Chubb and Landry do their thing.
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Yep. The more jobs That fly off the shelf the more leverage we hold.
Except getting quality coordinators and assistants. The other guys will waste no time rounding out their staffs. We still have Wilks and Monken in the building, but will the new HC want to keep them?
Except getting quality coordinators and assistants. The other guys will waste no time rounding out their staffs. We still have Wilks and Monken in the building, but will the new HC want to keep them?
You don’t think Josh is already talking to people?
part of his HC pitch will likely include some of his key hires he plans on making.
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Was that a Todd Haley style play.....or a Freddie Kitchens style of play.
Both. They both called those types of plays. Trying to impose their will as a trickster play-caller, instead of letting players like Baker, Chubb and Landry do their thing.
Both. They both called those types of plays. Trying to impose their will as a trickster play-caller, instead of letting players like Baker, Chubb and Landry do their thing.
Which would still be an improvement. We had way too many key plays where we have all these horses and we are targeting Harris or Hilliard.
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Once again, not saying I'm on the McDaniels train, but why does everyone just assume he wants to be the GM as well? He tried that in Denver and it ended horribly but he was also, I believe, the youngest head coach in the league by many years. It's been over 10 years since he was the head coach of Denver. He's only 43 years old. I think and would certainly hope that he has learned from his mistakes in Denver and now knows how to fix them. I think this is why it is so important to get a GM that aligns with his values on players are and why the Browns are hiring this person second. McDaniels can't shoulder all the responsibility. Plus, he's been through a few other organizations at this point and has a better understanding of the league. I would rather hire McDaniels of now then the McDaniels of 10 years ago.
The Browns now have their pick between Stefanski and McDaniels. It will be fascinating to see what happens. I don't have much of an opinion because who the hell knows now a days. Also, for what it is worth, DePodesta's contract runs out at the end of the week.
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McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit.
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McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit.
LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit.
BB is as detail oriented as you'll ever find. But there is a difference with how he has a vision for his team vs being an ego-centric, micromanaging, overbearing douche bag.
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I think all the teams except us have a HC now. Panthers went with Ruhle and the Giants just hired some Pats assistant coach. So lets get this buttoned up...
Why hurry now?
I don't think we lost "our guy" to anybody else and we are the last job out there. Seems like taking our time would be prudent.
Finish the opening round... hold a couple callback interviews... deliberate... hire... move on to the GM role.
Why hurry now?
I don't think we lost "our guy" to anybody else and we are the last job out there. Seems like taking our time would be prudent.
Finish the opening round... hold a couple callback interviews... deliberate... hire... move on to the GM role.
Agree....in fact, I don't think we lost any of several people who could be "our guy": Not McD, Stefanski, Bienemy, Saleh. Rhule nor the Judge were even on the Browns radar, I do not believe.
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Yep. The more jobs That fly off the shelf the more leverage we hold.
Except getting quality coordinators and assistants. The other guys will waste no time rounding out their staffs. We still have Wilks and Monken in the building, but will the new HC want to keep them?
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Agree, Josh is another one of those coaches that think he's a GM too.
Well....he has worked with BB all this time....and I suspect that he saw how that worked. BB being the boss. If Josh is chosen, he may be able to select his GM/DPP......Caserio. It can and has worked....going back even a generation along the coaching tree to Parcells. You know, the whole "buying some of the groceries" thing.
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McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him.
McD is a control freak. So this won't end well...
LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit.
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Both. They both called those types of plays. Trying to impose their will as a trickster play-caller, instead of letting players like Baker, Chubb and Landry do their thing.
Which would still be an improvement. We had way too many key plays where we have all these horses and we are targeting Harris or Hilliard.
Which would still be an improvement. We had way too many key plays where we have all these horses and we are targeting Harris or Hilliard.
That would be on Kitchens relying on “plays, not players” and we had 4 capable skill players. Landry, OBJ, Hunt, Chubb.
You’re bringing up a different issue.I personally can’t stand any type of offensive trick play that has the potential to derail a drive and force a punt. Hue/Haley ran those plays, and so did Kitchens(ex. Kareem Hunt HB toss pass on 3rd and short)
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The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
I'm not on board with a McDaniels hire, he just ain't our guy.
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The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
You mean the clip where they're studying Ed Reed?
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The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
There was also a clip in 'Tom vs Time' where Tom was watching film at home and he would call McDaniels, watch a certain play together, comment on it and adapt it for their offense if they didn't have it or check some possible imorovements...
I wouldn’t say McDaniels was left behind on film analysis, offense playbook and gameplan.
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The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
I'm not on board with a McDaniels hire, he just ain't our guy.
I'm not on board with a McDaniels hire, he just ain't our guy.
Or....he may just be our guy. All speculation has him as the frontrunner, no?
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The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week.
In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good."
Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room.
There was also a clip in 'Tom vs Time' where Tom was watching film at home and he would call McDaniels, watch a certain play together, comment on it and adapt it for their offense if they didn't have it or check some possible imorovements...
I wouldn’t say McDaniels was left behind on film analysis, offense playbook and gameplan.
I wouldn’t say McDaniels was left behind on film analysis, offense playbook and gameplan.
Not what I was intending to intimate.
Just saying that there was a Belichick-Brady bond/rapport that cut across reporting relationships. In a way I can even admire McD's acceptance of such an interaction that likely preceded his OC days with the Pats. It'd take a self-secure individual to do that.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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