McDaniels next coach possibly...
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Yea, but he was given credit for turning those programs around from like 1 win teams to league championship contenders in a year or two.
Sure, depending on the definition of "turn around."
His best season was 3 losses (1 time at Temple, this year at Baylor). And he never won a bowl game.
This year, I don't see an impressive win. There are a couple games that look on the surface at Temple are major wins, such as a win over Penn State (who finished (7-6), but in his 7 years as a head coach he had 2 wins over ranked teams (according to Wikipedia, don't know if the ranking is ending rank or at time of game.
I can give him some credit for Temple, but Baylor was really only down because of their scandal.
As a coach, I am just not all that impressed. The way he is talked about is like Urban for turning a program into a perennial power. He hasn't stayed somewhere long enough to prove he has turned it around.
As for "sounding good" in press conference, I remember hearing the same things about Hue and Freddie. Another guy who is supposedly great at the mic is Lane Kiffin.
I wish the man the best, I don't root for anyone to fail, but I think at this moment he has been vastly overrated. Even if I understand the thinking behind it, l lost some respect for him to decline an interview (and no not because it's the Browns).
Sure, depending on the definition of "turn around."
His best season was 3 losses (1 time at Temple, this year at Baylor). And he never won a bowl game.
This year, I don't see an impressive win. There are a couple games that look on the surface at Temple are major wins, such as a win over Penn State (who finished (7-6), but in his 7 years as a head coach he had 2 wins over ranked teams (according to Wikipedia, don't know if the ranking is ending rank or at time of game.
I can give him some credit for Temple, but Baylor was really only down because of their scandal.
As a coach, I am just not all that impressed. The way he is talked about is like Urban for turning a program into a perennial power. He hasn't stayed somewhere long enough to prove he has turned it around.
As for "sounding good" in press conference, I remember hearing the same things about Hue and Freddie. Another guy who is supposedly great at the mic is Lane Kiffin.
I wish the man the best, I don't root for anyone to fail, but I think at this moment he has been vastly overrated. Even if I understand the thinking behind it, l lost some respect for him to decline an interview (and no not because it's the Browns).
OK, Fair enough. I am not tooting his horn. But, apparently a couple of NFL teams were drooling over him, as we see the Panthers locked him up before the Giants could even get a chance to speak to him, but by all reports, as I said, they were salivating over him. I think it is fair to ask why he was such a hot item....over even a lot of the guys the Browns have interviewed. A lot of the college media were singing his praises, saying that he brought Baylor back from the brink of oblivion after the issues there with a previous coach. Maybe that is what did it for the NFL team.
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You obviously have too much time on your hands Tour.
lol... just happened to catch both pressers on NFL Live, h, while I was reading and posting here... a/k/a "multitasking"...
Rhule presser caught my ear, but the Judge one made me stop and give it my full attention.
All coaching moves are considered lateral except if going to head coach.
ummmm... don't think so, bp... Position coaches have to be allowed to interview for Coordinator positions
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
IIRC, Adam Gase did the same thing.
I bet Adam Gase wished the Browns still had him on their radar now.
Weird-eyes Gase.
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Another bad omen?
WSS
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Another bad omen?
WSS
You snooze, you lose I guess.
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I think I’ve properly jinxed this whole McDaniels thing.
you all are welcome
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I think I’ve properly jinxed this whole McDaniels thing.
you all are welcome
I think I’ve properly jinxed this whole McDaniels thing.
you all are welcome
Any fuckup with this process will be attributed to Jimmy Haslam, so don't worry yourself.
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The Haslams couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.
The Haslams couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.
I'm currently reading a book called Flight of the Eagle: The Grand Strategies that Brought America from Colonial Dependence to World Leadership by Conrad Black.
LBJ once said the same of Gerald Ford.
Thanks for the chuckle!
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It's an Adam thing.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You obviously have too much time on your hands Tour.
lol... just happened to catch both pressers on NFL Live, h, while I was reading and posting here... a/k/a "multitasking"...
Rhule presser caught my ear, but the Judge one made me stop and give it my full attention.
All coaching moves are considered lateral except if going to head coach.
ummmm... don't think so, bp... Position coaches have to be allowed to interview for Coordinator positions
lol... just happened to catch both pressers on NFL Live, h, while I was reading and posting here... a/k/a "multitasking"...
Rhule presser caught my ear, but the Judge one made me stop and give it my full attention.
ummmm... don't think so, bp... Position coaches have to be allowed to interview for Coordinator positions
Sorry, teams can block assistant coaches from interviewing for a coordinator job if they are under contract. There are two types of coaches in the NFL. Head coaches, and assistant. It's been this way for maybe 5 years now.
sharesThe Giants waited patiently for Vikings quarterbacks coach Kevin Stefanski to interview for Minnesota's offensive coordinator job. When the Vikings hired Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo as offensive coordinator on Friday, the path appeared to be clear for Stefanski to come to the Giants as Pat Shurmur's OC. But the Vikings denied the Giants permission to interview and hire Stefanski, who is under contract for the 2018 season.
If you think it's unfair that a team can block a position coach from landing a promotion elsewhere - especially after denying him an internal promotion - you're not alone. But the Vikings were completely within their rights to deny Stefanski the opportunity to pursue career advancement.
The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.
That's obviously silly.
The rule seems to be based on a concern that teams could come up with phony promotions, such as "associate head coach" or other nominal titles to poach position coaches from other teams. The simple fix would be to add a distinction between position coaches and coordinators. Teams would have to designate three coordinators - offense, defense, special teams - so a "co-coordinator" title couldn't be used to present a promotion.
The other more complicated rule change the NFL needs to consider is the hiring process for head coaches in the wake of Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels leaving the Colts at the altar.
Prospective coaches can back out of deals at any time, but McDaniels' change of heart seems tied to the awkward process where assistants on playoff teams can interview - but not officially accept - head coaching jobs during the postseason.
The whole process is rife with distractions and variables. Assistants for teams with first-round byes can interview during their bye week, while assistants on teams without byes must wait until after Wild-Card weekend to interview. Second interviews can't take place until after the conference championships for assistants of Super Bowl teams.
McDaniels interviewed twice with the Colts during the Patriots' run to the Super Bowl, and both sides agreed that he would be the team's head coach. But nothing could be signed while the Patriots were playing, so they were left in a holding pattern.
McDaniels agreed to become the Colts' head coach two days after the Super Bowl, but he had immediate second thoughts and decided to stay in New England. The Colts were left to scramble for a coach through the second tier of candidates because the top options were hired between the end of the regular season and the Super Bowl. The Colts hired Eagles offensive coordinator Frank Reich on Sunday.
The process is entirely too complicated and there is one simple fix: Don't allow any head coaching interviews to take place until after the Super Bowl. This would level the playing field and allow assistants on playoff teams to maintain their primary focus.
Nothing would be lost by delaying the hiring process by a month, especially because every team would be operating under the same rules. And it would prevent situations like the one with the Colts and McDaniels where the sides entered into a wink-nod agreement that wasn't binding for either side.
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Another bad omen?
WSS
You snooze, you lose I guess.
You snooze, you lose I guess.
Or McDaniels texted his buddy as he was getting on the plane to take the job because it was a no go in Cleveland.
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This whole thing is kind of a red flag concerning the media in general but Sports in particular. There is so much copy generated each and every hour and so much money made from it and still even taking into consideration the assumption that most of these writers are football insiders and have been reporting on the game for decades combined with a ferocious appetite we have for Browns news that we still haven't got the slightest idea what's going on.
"According to League sources" is as meaningless as "Inspired by actual events."
WSS
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lol... just happened to catch both pressers on NFL Live, h, while I was reading and posting here... a/k/a "multitasking"...
Rhule presser caught my ear, but the Judge one made me stop and give it my full attention.
ummmm... don't think so, bp... Position coaches have to be allowed to interview for Coordinator positions
Sorry, teams can block assistant coaches from interviewing for a coordinator job if they are under contract. There are two types of coaches in the NFL. Head coaches, and assistant. It's been this way for maybe 5 years now.
sharesThe Giants waited patiently for Vikings quarterbacks coach Kevin Stefanski to interview for Minnesota's offensive coordinator job. When the Vikings hired Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo as offensive coordinator on Friday, the path appeared to be clear for Stefanski to come to the Giants as Pat Shurmur's OC. But the Vikings denied the Giants permission to interview and hire Stefanski, who is under contract for the 2018 season.
If you think it's unfair that a team can block a position coach from landing a promotion elsewhere - especially after denying him an internal promotion - you're not alone. But the Vikings were completely within their rights to deny Stefanski the opportunity to pursue career advancement.
The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.
That's obviously silly.
The rule seems to be based on a concern that teams could come up with phony promotions, such as "associate head coach" or other nominal titles to poach position coaches from other teams. The simple fix would be to add a distinction between position coaches and coordinators. Teams would have to designate three coordinators - offense, defense, special teams - so a "co-coordinator" title couldn't be used to present a promotion.
The other more complicated rule change the NFL needs to consider is the hiring process for head coaches in the wake of Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels leaving the Colts at the altar.
Prospective coaches can back out of deals at any time, but McDaniels' change of heart seems tied to the awkward process where assistants on playoff teams can interview - but not officially accept - head coaching jobs during the postseason.
The whole process is rife with distractions and variables. Assistants for teams with first-round byes can interview during their bye week, while assistants on teams without byes must wait until after Wild-Card weekend to interview. Second interviews can't take place until after the conference championships for assistants of Super Bowl teams.
McDaniels interviewed twice with the Colts during the Patriots' run to the Super Bowl, and both sides agreed that he would be the team's head coach. But nothing could be signed while the Patriots were playing, so they were left in a holding pattern.
McDaniels agreed to become the Colts' head coach two days after the Super Bowl, but he had immediate second thoughts and decided to stay in New England. The Colts were left to scramble for a coach through the second tier of candidates because the top options were hired between the end of the regular season and the Super Bowl. The Colts hired Eagles offensive coordinator Frank Reich on Sunday.
The process is entirely too complicated and there is one simple fix: Don't allow any head coaching interviews to take place until after the Super Bowl. This would level the playing field and allow assistants on playoff teams to maintain their primary focus.
Nothing would be lost by delaying the hiring process by a month, especially because every team would be operating under the same rules. And it would prevent situations like the one with the Colts and McDaniels where the sides entered into a wink-nod agreement that wasn't binding for either side.
Sorry, teams can block assistant coaches from interviewing for a coordinator job if they are under contract. There are two types of coaches in the NFL. Head coaches, and assistant. It's been this way for maybe 5 years now.
Well I'll be... you are correct, sir. I owe you a beer.
We're even blocking our Head-Coachless staff from interviewing... apparently until our new HC decides if he wants them.
The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/02/2_changes_the_nfl_needs_to_make_to_coaching_hire_r.html
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sorry, teams can block assistant coaches from interviewing for a coordinator job if they are under contract. There are two types of coaches in the NFL. Head coaches, and assistant. It's been this way for maybe 5 years now.
Well I'll be... you are correct, sir. I owe you a beer.
We're even blocking our Head-Coachless staff from interviewing... apparently until our new HC decides if he wants them.
The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/02/2_changes_the_nfl_needs_to_make_to_coaching_hire_r.html
Well I'll be... you are correct, sir. I owe you a beer.
We're even blocking our Head-Coachless staff from interviewing... apparently until our new HC decides if he wants them.
Well I'll be... you are correct, sir. I owe you a beer.
We're even blocking our Head-Coachless staff from interviewing... apparently until our new HC decides if he wants them.
You don't owe me anything. Just keep up with the good posts.
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Surprised.
But RIP to this thread.
The writing was probably on the wall When they kept Depo and wanted to interview Stefanski again.
it appears Saleh and Daboll we’re right up there with McD which is kind of surprising.
the beauty of interview process- we will probably see most of the guys as HCs in the next two years so we will get to see how right or wrong we were. Should be fun
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Well I'll be... you are correct, sir. I owe you a beer.
We're even blocking our Head-Coachless staff from interviewing... apparently until our new HC decides if he wants them.
Well I'll be... you are correct, sir. I owe you a beer.
We're even blocking our Head-Coachless staff from interviewing... apparently until our new HC decides if he wants them.
You don't owe me anything. Just keep up with the good posts.
You don't owe me anything. Just keep up with the good posts.
Those are free to all...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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I missed the part where Depo manipulated the selection process... which paragraph was that?
On a serious note... this Canton Rep writer has been hot lately... becoming one of my fav reads.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I missed the part where Depo manipulated the selection process... which paragraph was that?
On a serious note... this Canton Rep writer has been hot lately... becoming one of my fav reads.
I missed the part where Depo manipulated the selection process... which paragraph was that?
On a serious note... this Canton Rep writer has been hot lately... becoming one of my fav reads.
As I understand, it was made fairly clear that these guys wanted no part of each other. It was made clear to McD that he was not Depo's choice, and McD said that if he came, Depo would have no role really.
So Jonah Hill got his way apparently with the other JH.
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I missed the part where Depo manipulated the selection process... which paragraph was that?
On a serious note... this Canton Rep writer has been hot lately... becoming one of my fav reads.
As I understand, it was made fairly clear that these guys wanted no part of each other. It was made clear to McD that he was not Depo's choice, and McD said that if he came, Depo would have no role really.
So Jonah Hill got his way apparently with the other JH.
As I understand, it was made fairly clear that these guys wanted no part of each other. It was made clear to McD that he was not Depo's choice, and McD said that if he came, Depo would have no role really.
So Jonah Hill got his way apparently with the other JH.
Was it Jonah Hill or analytics in general?
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