Analytics in football
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You know what pisses me off? I am old enough to be this guys Dad. At 37 years old? I would have had him at 31 if I were his dad.
So, the last damned time the Browns won a title, the coach there was practically old enough to be my grandfather (he was born in 1906...Blanton Collier). And now I am relying on a guy that could be my son. Bullshit man. He better come through....because I don't want to, nor believe that I could last until a guy that could be my grandson coaches this team to a title.
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I did it...go ahead and put your own caption on this photo. (The caption for me being: Damn Boy, you could be the Gipper's Kid)
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Others like the unprecedented Osweiler trade I championed as brilliant.
So, you are second guessing yourself, now saying that the Osweiler trade was a bad move?
Well, maybe you should second guess your second guess, as I believe it was the Osweiler trade that resulted in us getting Nick Chubb. At least that is what I heard.
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You know what pisses me off? I am old enough to be this guys Dad. At 37 years old? I would have had him at 31 if I were his dad.
So, the last damned time the Browns won a title, the coach there was practically old enough to be my grandfather (he was born in 1906...Blanton Collier). And now I am relying on a guy that could be my son. Bullshit man. He better come through....because I don't want to, nor believe that I could last until a guy that could be my grandson coaches this team to a title.
You know what pisses me off? I am old enough to be this guys Dad. At 37 years old? I would have had him at 31 if I were his dad.
So, the last damned time the Browns won a title, the coach there was practically old enough to be my grandfather (he was born in 1906...Blanton Collier). And now I am relying on a guy that could be my son. Bullshit man. He better come through....because I don't want to, nor believe that I could last until a guy that could be my grandson coaches this team to a title.
Face it gip we're just OLD! I'm older than all of my many doctors but one, all of the nurses, techs, virtually everyone else I meet in professional settings.
We remember sports, movies, music that these younger people have no idea about. On and on.
But we lived through some very interesting times and great cars, movies and just great music!
PLUS one more thing we can say we watched Jim Brown actually play and the BROWNS won an NFL Championship !
GO BROWNS, baby !
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
At least the best that apply.
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The reason it worked for the A's was because of competitive advantage: Nobody else was using it.
Now, everyone is using it... and the teams that don't are falling behind -- because they can't stop fawning over players who would only make one above-replacement-value play every other game because it was spectacular. The baseball analogy is the .200/200K/50 HR adam dunn.
The reason it worked for the A's was because of competitive advantage: Nobody else was using it.
Now, everyone is using it... and the teams that don't are falling behind -- because they can't stop fawning over players who would only make one above-replacement-value play per game because it was spectacular. [the analogy is the .200/200K/50 HR adam dunn]
Baseball has been using analytics for thousands of years. That’s how we know Jesus couldn’t hit a curveball.
The A’s simply prioritized different stats. Instead of dingers and batting average, they prioritized things like OBP and productive at bats. Nobody at the time was paying big bucks for guys who got on base a lot but didn’t hit a lot of homers.
What are the equivalent stats that the Browns are using to gain an advantage on other teams? Possession receivers? Guys who catch the ball well but don’t do much afterwards?
Sure tacklers? Guys who aren’t the quickest but who make a tackle more often than not?
Baker seems to need receivers who catch the ball over their head a lot. Do they really break down success rates of receivers catching high, intermediate, and low passes? And how reliable is that data?
As l mentioned before, the volume of data in baseball is so much greater than in football that l question the reliability of it in football.
Conceivably, you could go really crazy and measure a guy’s success rate at catching passes that come in at 30 mph and at a 20 degree angle 30 yards from the line of scrimmage, but how many passes did that player really see that fit those metrics? A dozen? Half dozen?
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Zombo said:
I like Kevin Stefanski. I like analytics. Forcing Kevin Stefanski to answer to the Browns analytics dept each week, and then meeting with Haslem each week ... is the part I don't like.
One the Season begins, let the Coach coach. He has enough on his plate.
Zombo
That's about where I'm at except I'm not as enthusiastic about analytics but I can see where it could be a useful tool.
And I don't like the chain of command very much. I wouldn't want the bar owner the GM the bartender and to wait staff putting together my set list for me.
WSS
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Zombo said:
I like Kevin Stefanski. I like analytics. Forcing Kevin Stefanski to answer to the Browns analytics dept each week, and then meeting with Haslem each week ... is the part I don't like.
One the Season begins, let the Coach coach. He has enough on his plate.
Zombo
That's about where I'm at except I'm not as enthusiastic about analytics but I can see where it could be a useful tool.
And I don't like the chain of command very much. I wouldn't want the bar owner the GM the bartender and to wait staff putting together my set list for me.
WSS
That's about where I'm at except I'm not as enthusiastic about analytics but I can see where it could be a useful tool.
And I don't like the chain of command very much. I wouldn't want the bar owner the GM the bartender and to wait staff putting together my set list for me.
WSS
Everyone loves Rockytop. What’s the problem here? Oh, and follow that up with Freebird...
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Analytics says we will suck donkey balls again in 2020
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You know what pisses me off? I am old enough to be this guys Dad. At 37 years old? I would have had him at 31 if I were his dad.
So, the last damned time the Browns won a title, the coach there was practically old enough to be my grandfather (he was born in 1906...Blanton Collier). And now I am relying on a guy that could be my son. Bullshit man. He better come through....because I don't want to, nor believe that I could last until a guy that could be my grandson coaches this team to a title.
Face it gip we're just OLD! I'm older than all of my many doctors but one, all of the nurses, techs, virtually everyone else I meet in professional settings.
We remember sports, movies, music that these younger people have no idea about. On and on.
But we lived through some very interesting times and great cars, movies and just great music!
PLUS one more thing we can say we watched Jim Brown actually play and the BROWNS won an NFL Championship !
GO BROWNS, baby !
Face it gip we're just OLD! I'm older than all of my many doctors but one, all of the nurses, techs, virtually everyone else I meet in professional settings.
We remember sports, movies, music that these younger people have no idea about. On and on.
Test time youngster. Name her. Surely you possess the wisdom of Solomon.?
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Analytics says we will suck donkey balls again in 2020
What is our success ratio at sucking donkey balls though? And what are the degrees of density of each ball? Is the left one thicker than the right? Are we more successful and sucking the left or right ball? Have you measured the saliva on each ball and cross checked the data?
Can we reasonably assume that our success at sucking donkey balls will translate to our ability to sucking a horse’s balls? Or an antelope’s balls?
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Zombo said:
I like Kevin Stefanski. I like analytics. Forcing Kevin Stefanski to answer to the Browns analytics dept each week, and then meeting with Haslem each week ... is the part I don't like.
One the Season begins, let the Coach coach. He has enough on his plate.
Zombo
Maybe it is all in how it was presented. You know, it seemed like: "Thou shalt appear and bow down to the God of Hellfire...who also doubles as the God of Analytics". Where, perhaps, in actuality, doing it this way is just standard procedure in most places. There is a skull session that the coaches put together to develop a game plan that an analytics dept. is a part of. Then there is a post-mortem on the game afterwards. It might be fair to say that all teams have used these tactics for much of the last century; its just with the Browns the whole process gets out of proportion because it seems to have been imposed authoritatively.
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Face it gip we're just OLD! I'm older than all of my many doctors but one, all of the nurses, techs, virtually everyone else I meet in professional settings.
We remember sports, movies, music that these younger people have no idea about. On and on.
Test time youngster. Name her. Surely you possess the wisdom of Solomon.?
Test time youngster. Name her. Surely you possess the wisdom of Solomon.?
An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
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Test time youngster. Name her. Surely you possess the wisdom of Solomon.?
An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
Those are great tits Gip. Not nice tits. You are fired from the analytical strike force. You don’t even know great tits from nice tits.
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Test time youngster. Name her. Surely you possess the wisdom of Solomon.?
An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
If you give up you can click on the picture for the answer.?
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An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
If you give up you can click on the picture for the answer.?
If you give up you can click on the picture for the answer.?
Well, your clue involved Solomon, so it is likely supposed to be the Queen of Sheba. But wasn't Sheba from like Ethiopia? So shouldn't Sheba be black?
And didn't she take the Ark of the Covenant back to Ethiopia with her?
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An actress out of an old biblical movie with nice tits?
Those are great tits Gip. Not nice tits. You are fired from the analytical strike force. You don’t even know great tits from nice tits.
Those are great tits Gip. Not nice tits. You are fired from the analytical strike force. You don’t even know great tits from nice tits.
Need a better resolution to give them an upgraded rating.
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The reason it worked for the A's was because of competitive advantage: Nobody else was using it.
Now, everyone is using it... and the teams that don't are falling behind -- because they can't stop fawning over players who would only make one above-replacement-value play per game because it was spectacular. [the analogy is the .200/200K/50 HR adam dunn]
Baseball has been using analytics for thousands of years. That’s how we know Jesus couldn’t hit a curveball.
The A’s simply prioritized different stats. Instead of dingers and batting average, they prioritized things like OBP and productive at bats. Nobody at the time was paying big bucks for guys who got on base a lot but didn’t hit a lot of homers.
What are the equivalent stats that the Browns are using to gain an advantage on other teams? Possession receivers? Guys who catch the ball well but don’t do much afterwards?
Sure tacklers? Guys who aren’t the quickest but who make a tackle more often than not?
Baker seems to need receivers who catch the ball over their head a lot. Do they really break down success rates of receivers catching high, intermediate, and low passes? And how reliable is that data?
As l mentioned before, the volume of data in baseball is so much greater than in football that l question the reliability of it in football.
Conceivably, you could go really crazy and measure a guy’s success rate at catching passes that come in at 30 mph and at a 20 degree angle 30 yards from the line of scrimmage, but how many passes did that player really see that fit those metrics? A dozen? Half dozen?
l question the reliability of it in football.
Did the player [O or D] get into the right initial position as determined by the play. If yes, +1 for that play for that player.
Did he make the correct read as the play happened -- I turn my head as an OG and see that I should switch off the DT and pick up the DE that's now looping around the DT
Did he execute the final tackle or catch or block that he read as the play happened -- Complete the block of the stunting DE, for example.
And each of these is one play. There's nearly 70 plays in a game each side of the ball. Add up player score, normalize to "out of 100" based on some weighting of each of these questions -- to adjust for differing number of plays run each game.
It measures performance over the game based on what play was called -- not just the one or five that the TV camera captured.
You can find things like: somebody always gets to the right spot but whiffs on the tackle, always tackles but isn't athletic enough to get to the right spot, a backup OT always loses to speed-to-power but never gets beat around the edge.The idea is that players are what the data says they are.. I don't care how much "heart" you have if you can't execute.. -
l question the reliability of it in football.
Did the player [O or D] get into the right initial position as determined by the play. If yes, +1 for that play for that player.
Did he make the correct read as the play happened -- I turn my head as an OG and see that I should switch off the DT and pick up the DE that's now looping around the DT
Did he execute the final tackle or catch or block that he read as the play happened -- Complete the block of the stunting DE, for example.
And each of these is one play. There's nearly 70 plays in a game each side of the ball. Add up player score, normalize to "out of 100" based on some weighting of each of these questions -- to adjust for differing number of plays run each game.
It measures performance over the game based on what play was called -- not just the one or five that the TV camera captured.
You can find things like: somebody always gets to the right spot but whiffs on the tackle, always tackles but isn't athletic enough to get to the right spot, a backup OT always loses to speed-to-power but never gets beat around the edge.The idea is that players are what the data says they are.. I don't care how much "heart" you have if you can't execute..Did the player [O or D] get into the right initial position as determined by the play. If yes, +1 for that play for that player.
Did he make the correct read as the play happened -- I turn my head as an OG and see that I should switch off the DT and pick up the DE that's now looping around the DT
Did he execute the final tackle or catch or block that he read as the play happened -- Complete the block of the stunting DE, for example.
And each of these is one play. There's nearly 70 plays in a game each side of the ball. Add up player score, normalize to "out of 100" based on some weighting of each of these questions -- to adjust for differing number of plays run each game.
It measures performance over the game based on what play was called -- not just the one or five that the TV camera captured.
You can find things like: somebody always gets to the right spot but whiffs on the tackle, always tackles but isn't athletic enough to get to the right spot, a backup OT always loses to speed-to-power but never gets beat around the edge. I of course don't know what stats are going to be looked at -- but the idea is that players are what the data says they are..Really good explanation. Thank you. Gonna stew on this and l may be back for more.
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