The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.

Tour2ma

@tiamat63 said:

I watched all the way through twice with no stops and took mental notes before I put pencil to paper. First thought based on this game alone... Man, was I really underwhelmed by his pass pro.

Oh shit... cause so far I'm coming away with the same impression of the other LT "stud" in this draft... UGA's Andrew Thomas... actually reminded me of Robinson... ?

I'm liking the pursuing of Colts' UFA, LT, Anthony Costonzo, more and more. He ain't great and we'd have to overpay, but he's very good and dependable. In 9 seasons he's missed 12 games total.

SdBacker80

@tiamat63 said:

Putting a bookmark on Bravvion until more cutups are available or I can budget more hours to go through and time stamp whole games. Keeping with a theme on the line play though and looking at a kid I've seen mocked to the Brownies in a few spots. Although I've seen he hasn't declared yet. Still - Tristan Wirfs, RT for Iowa.

I watched all the way through twice with no stops and took mental notes before I put pencil to paper. First thought based on this game alone... Man, was I really underwhelmed by his pass pro.

That’s not good as Wisconsin DE (Baun) who we need to look at is an AFC North type Edge rusher. In the Mold of a Watt/Dupree.
Michigan, USC would be other film that would be interesting.

Come to think of it Penn state too.

SdBacker80

@tour2ma said:

Oh shit... cause so far I'm coming away with the same impression of the other LT "stud" in this draft... UGA's Andrew Thomas... actually reminded me of Robinson... ?

I'm liking the pursuing of Colts' UFA, LT, Anthony Costonzo, more and more. He ain't great and we'd have to overpay, but he's very good and dependable. In 9 seasons he's missed 12 games total.

There was a rumor that Costonzo could retire. He’d be ideal though with a day 1 or day 2 pick serving as an apprentice

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Oh shit... cause so far I'm coming away with the same impression of the other LT "stud" in this draft... UGA's Andrew Thomas... actually reminded me of Robinson... ?

I'm liking the pursuing of Colts' UFA, LT, Anthony Costonzo, more and more. He ain't great and we'd have to overpay, but he's very good and dependable. In 9 seasons he's missed 12 games total.

It's one game and one I played through at full speed. That's pure gut reaction. I'm open and willing to be wrong while watching more games and slowing down individual plays.

Tour2ma

@tiamat63 said:

It's one game and one I played through at full speed. That's pure gut reaction. I'm open and willing to be wrong while watching more games and slowing down individual plays.

I'm willing for you to be wrong, too...

Ibleedbrown

@tour2ma said:

I'm willing for you to be wrong, too...

I’m willing to wear chaps.

The Gipper

I'm willing for you to be wrong, too...

I’m willing to wear chaps.

Get a room boys.

tiamat63

I suppose the correct phrasing should have been 'I want to be wrong'. When it comes to some of their favorite players or ones that catch their eyes, a lot of people who love football simply can't admit the flaws in the players they admire or attempt to 'overproject' their abilities. A concept I find to be incredibly stupid. Watching tape first starts with these important things - An open mind, a good eye, and a great deal of self honesty in what you see.

vs Wisky Iowa used a ton of 22 and 12 sets. Wirfs had a great deal of help. He had a lot less help this go around and, kind of looked a little better here and there. But there are times where he doesn't gather himself when landing his first punch, more to the point, his first punch isn't great and that might be because his arm length is subpar for the position? I also noticed his eyes, and feet aren't always in sync because when he gets bull rushed, his anchoring at first can be pretty poor from time to time. He tends to recover, but a lot of that is mostly because he's just the naturally larger human being. Doesn't always work like that in the NFL. Another thing that showed up in the Wis tape was him having a tendency to dip his head when working to land first contact on an edge. Eyes up, youngblood. His kick step needs work and there are some timestamps that have me wondering how he'll hold up against speed, but his feet look light and fast enough to at least have development potential.

I remember watching Brandon Schreff when he was a tackle for Iowa - now with the Redskins. I didn't see the huge hype on him being a top 10 blindside protector. Honestly, I'm pretty sure I remember saying I came away unimpressed and felt he would have* to move inside in order to have sustained success at the next level. @tour2ma may have said the same? Back me up on this should you care to revisit your notes of if you run a search on here for that thread.

I don't see Schreff like liability in pass pro, not that I'm thrilled with what the tape has shown so far either. I would say where I'm most disappointed was hearing about this kid being a Nelson type mauler... THAT is something I just haven't seen at all yet.

vs Minnesota will be next on deck for Wirfs and my watching.

Ibleedbrown

@the-gipper said:

I'm willing for you to be wrong, too...

I’m willing to wear chaps.

Get a room boys.

Oh like you never wanted to wear chaps too. Come on.

The Gipper

@ibleedbrown said:

Oh like you never wanted to wear chaps too. Come on.

Maybe, When I was a boy and wanted to play cowboy, not as a grown man as some gay sex game. Which is what it seems like you two are doing.

(I am just busting your chops. All in fun. I don't really think that you and Tour want to dress up to play gay sex games. I know that you would never want to go along with his fantasies)

calfoxwc

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/13/east-west-shrine-bowl-prospect-preview-offensive-tackles/

it's actually a deep class of offensive tackles....

Jake Benzinger, 6-7, 300 pounds, Wake Forest

Cameron Clark, 6-5, 300 pounds, Charlotte

Jack Driscoll, 6-5, 300 pounds, Auburn

Yasir Durant, 6-7, 330 pounds, Missouri

Julian Good-Jones, 6-5, 296 pounds, Iowa State

Charlie Heck, 6-8, 310 pounds, North Carolina

Jared Hilbers, 6-7, 305 pounds, Washington

Evin Ksiezarcyk, 6-6, 315 pounds, Buffalo

Kyle Murphy, 6-4, 312 pounds, Rhode Island

Carter O’Donnell, 6-6, 315 pounds, Alberta

Darrin Paulo, 6-5, 318 pounds, Utah

and don't forget my third round pick. so far, in my mock draft.

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/09/marcus-norman/

Drew Richmond, 6-5, 316 pounds, USC

Jon Runyan, 6-5, 310 pounds, Michigan

Calvin Throckmorton, 6-5, 318 pounds, Oregon

Matt Womack, 6-7, 325 pounds, Alabama

Most of them later round picks, or UDFA

mjp28

@calfoxwc said:

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/13/east-west-shrine-bowl-prospect-preview-offensive-tackles/

it's actually a deep class of offensive tackles....

Jake Benzinger, 6-7, 300 pounds, Wake Forest

Cameron Clark, 6-5, 300 pounds, Charlotte

Jack Driscoll, 6-5, 300 pounds, Auburn

Yasir Durant, 6-7, 330 pounds, Missouri......

Most of them later round picks, or UDFA

Or USDA Prime...... Holy smokes a herd of 6' 7". 300+ guys, wouldn't want to feed that bunch. I remember watching an interview with OL Joe Thomas on his routines to stay in top shape and diets with 8,000 (+/-) calories a day and a lot of weights.

This draft looks loaded in many areas plus these kids are NFL ready in size, shape and coaching.

Ibleedbrown

@the-gipper said:

Maybe, When I was a boy and wanted to play cowboy, not as a grown man as some gay sex game. Which is what it seems like you two are doing.

(I am just busting your chops. All in fun. I don't really think that you and Tour want to dress up to play gay sex games. I know that you would never want to go along with his fantasies)

What’s this shit in parentheses? It’s like a proper bitch slap followed by an “excuse me sir.”

And perfectly straight people fantasize about wearing chaps. And maybe socks. Analytics proves this.

Tour2ma

@tiamat63 said:

his arm length is subpar for the position?

His kick step needs work and there are some timestamps that have me wondering how he'll hold up against speed, but his feet look light and fast enough to at least have development potential.

I remember watching Brandon Schreff when he was a tackle for Iowa - now with the Redskins. I didn't see the huge hype on him being a top 10 blindside protector. Honestly, I'm pretty sure I remember saying I came away unimpressed and felt he would have* to move inside in order to have sustained success at the next level. @tour2ma may have said the same? Back me up on this should you care to revisit your notes of if you run a search on here for that thread.

Seems to be about 50/50 now on if OG will be his best slot. Combine measurements should be interesting.
When is the last time you saw a decent college kick step? I honestly can't remember...
Yup... I was there, too.

@tour2ma said:

Brandon Scherff: Iowa (02-02-15) vs. IND/Maryland - No kick dropstep - shuffles; good feet; good hands, but high. Prone to getting bulled by power and faked by speed. Good accel, no drive. Do not run his way much. Head? Strength? Athletic, but fundamentally weak

Tour2ma

@mjp28 said:

Or USDA Prime...... Holy smokes a herd of 6' 7". 300+ guys, wouldn't want to feed that bunch. I remember watching an interview with OL Joe Thomas on his routines to stay in top shape and diets with 8,000 (+/-) calories a day and a lot of weights.

This draft looks loaded in many areas plus these kids are NFL ready in size, shape and coaching.

I'm biased against OTs over 6'6"...

I've seen so many who are waist-bending, top-heavy mofos. I know it's an inch or two over my "ideal"... I know there have been a couple good 6'7" LTs... but I've wasted too much time culling thru the too-tall chaff.

Also disagree on coaching when it comes to the OL. The RPO is ruining the college game when it comes to developing a lot more than QBs.

calfoxwc

@tour2ma said:

I'm biased against OTs over 6'6"...

I've seen so many who are waist-bending, top-heavy mofos. I know it's an inch or two over my "ideal"... I know there have been a couple good 6'7" LTs... but I've wasted too much time culling thru the too-tall chaff.

Also disagree on coaching when it comes to the OL. The RPO is ruining the college game when it comes to developing a lot more than QBs.

generally speaking, for good reason. But then there are those few who the trends don't apply to.

I think I would LOVE for the Browns to get this kid:

2020 NFL Draft: Alex Taylor is the top offensive tackle sleeper Every NFL draft class seems to possess some sort of spectacle. Whether it’s a former basketball star taking his talents from the hardwood to the gridiron. Or perhaps a huge, athletic freak who forces scouts to salivate at the thought of his potential. I don't know what round he'll go in. I hope every other team thinks he's too tall, and the Browns find a chance to draft him later. I think if he lasted til the fourth round....

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-draft-alex-taylor-top-offensive-tackle-sleeper/

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"Routinely he wins reps with emphasis. At times Taylor looks like Michael Oher in The Blindside as he topples over opponents and drives them way off the ball. For such a big lineman, naturally, there would lie concerns regarding leverage. However, that comes easy for Taylor. He’s a natural knee bender and does a tremendous job of getting underneath his opponent with tons of power on engagement.

Not to sound cliche, but Taylor is the epitome of a dancing bear. The size is obvious, but where Taylor really impresses is in his movement skills. He sinks well in his hips and moves around the arch with ease. Taylor has shown progression in his pass sets with quickness and depth in his kick slide. His length is one of his best attributes which Taylor uses to his advantage time and time again.

The flashes he’s shown as a pass protector are mightily encouraging. However, he’s even more dominant as a run blocker. It all starts with leverage for Taylor in the ground game. Once he engages his opponent and gets a grip on them, the clamps are turned on. Taylor has exceptional leg drive and holds his form while pushing defenders away from the play. His combination of power and reach makes it easy to open running lanes.

As polished as Taylor may be for a guy who’s only played football for about four or five years, of course, he’s not a finished product. You see Taylor struggle when reacting inside to delayed blitzes. Developing an inside power step would do wonders for his game and that’s something that should come with time and more experience. Taylor has also shown inconsistent grip strength and hand usage.

Despite the rawness in terms of experience, Taylor possesses the unmatched size and physical tools. He’s much further along than you’d expect for a player who has only had football as their sole focus for a few years. Taylor has absolutely dominated the competition over these past two seasons and has played his way to being an NFL Draft pick.

2020 NFL Draft status

Through all of the HBCU/FCS prospects I’ve evaluated thus far, Alex Taylor is the best I’ve seen and has the best chance of getting drafted. Size and athleticism will always draw scouts. However, when you have a quality, improving skillset to go along with that, the sky is the limit.

NFL scouts are sure to have caught wind of Taylor by now. In what is viewed to be a top-heavy offensive line class, Taylor will be a prime project pick in the mid-late rounds. I’d love to see him get a chance to perform at the Senior Bowl this winter and compete against some of the best college football has to offer. That could do wonders for his draft stock and boost his name recognition. "

gumby73

Reports from Iowa City say Tristian Wirfs is headed to the NFL Draft...declared.. He's a Junior, that yes may need some NFL coaching polish... Those Key Combine numbers soon to come.. BTW.. All Junior's declaring, must do so by Friday ?

mjp28

@tour2ma said:

I'm biased against OTs over 6'6"...

I've seen so many who are waist-bending, top-heavy mofos. I know it's an inch or two over my "ideal"... I know there have been a couple good 6'7" LTs... but I've wasted too much time culling thru the too-tall chaff.

Also disagree on coaching when it comes to the OL. The RPO is ruining the college game when it comes to developing a lot more than QBs.

When you look at the list only one 6-4 guy the rest are 6-5 and up. Not the same game or guys that blocked for Jim Brown at 6-3 and 240 (+/-) in 1964.

You have a point on the RPO which is the norm now in college which happens to be the NFL's minor league or farm system.

calfoxwc

just found this:

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/09/offensive-line/

Alex Taylor, OT, South Carolina State – Let’s face it the big guy stands at 6090 and is built like a house. He is not fat or sloppy, he is a former basketball guy with great footwork and length. He is one of the best offensive lineman in the entire 2020 NFL Draft, and I feel he will fly up draft boards over the next couple months.

Hunter Watts, OL, Central Arkansas – Central Arkansas deserves to be talked about all month after beating FBS opponent Western Kentucky, and one of the main reasons they won is because Big #77 was a dog against the WKU pass rushers. The 6080, 320 pound offensive tackle from San Antonio has NFL written all over him. Remember his name.

Tyler Weterrings, OL, Emory & College – Let’s not just talk about FCS prospects, let’s thrown in some small schools you have never heard about. Weterrings has been the starting left tackle since his Freshman year for the Wasps. He stands at 6080 and weighs 300 pounds. I am a fan of Weterrings and believe he can play at the next level. He will need a little work as his level of competition is a little weak, but I feel he can hold his own against the big dogs. We are talking about a D3 prospect here, but D3 lineman usually do not look like this kid. He should be at a bigger school, someone dropped the ball when recruiting.

TexasAg1969

@calfoxwc said:

just found this:

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/09/offensive-line/

cal I only have one problem with OL from the "underleagues" and that is that they rarely have to match up with the big dogs in the majors. Speed and power of the higher level DL can make a "minor league" star look like a slow pushover. That said I agree we can look at some of those for later rounds. Nothing to lose everything to gain. But if there is a quality "big league" OT sitting there as BPA early on, I'm taking him.

EDIT: Make a point to watch the OLs in all-star games and in the individual matchups in the Combines. Very telling.