Rock n Roll Hall of Fame Inductees
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That never stops him, no matter the subject
If they want to call it the "Music Hall of Fame" then I'd have far less problem with that. But calling it the Rock n Roll HOF is ridiculous.
If they want to call it the Rock n Roll HOF, then some could say they should have stopped inducting anyone after Buddy Holly, Bill Haley and Chuck Berry.
But what I take of this is that Rock n Roll will not be pigeon holed, and neither my standards nor yours will rein it in.
And you critcize me for not knowing the "genre" of some of the acts mentioned above? Their genre is Rock n Roll. No other distinction need be made.
But what I take of this is that Rock n Roll will not be pigeon holed, and neither my standards nor yours will rein it in.
I agree with that. I'm not going to sit here and say anyone who doesn't adhere strictly to a I,IV,V arrangement format or play Strats exclusively should be excluded. There are a dizzying number of sub genres for every genre. My point is (and I'm sure you've been to the R&R HOF) that there is an obvious disconnect at a certain point in the visit from Rock n Roll. THAT is why I say call it the "Music Hall of Fame" if you will but don't call it the R&R HOF. It's no longer that.
Allow me to add Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush along with Ted Nugent to the list WTF aren't they in?
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But what I take of this is that Rock n Roll will not be pigeon holed, and neither my standards nor yours will rein it in.
I agree with that. I'm not going to sit here and say anyone who doesn't adhere strictly to a I,IV,V arrangement format or play Strats exclusively should be excluded. There are a dizzying number of sub genres for every genre. My point is (and I'm sure you've been to the R&R HOF) that there is an obvious disconnect at a certain point in the visit from Rock n Roll. THAT is why I say call it the "Music Hall of Fame" if you will but don't call it the R&R HOF. It's no longer that.
Allow me to add Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush along with Ted Nugent to the list WTF aren't they in?
I agree with that. I'm not going to sit here and say anyone who doesn't adhere strictly to a I,IV,V arrangement format or play Strats exclusively should be excluded. There are a dizzying number of sub genres for every genre. My point is (and I'm sure you've been to the R&R HOF) that there is an obvious disconnect at a certain point in the visit from Rock n Roll. THAT is why I say call it the "Music Hall of Fame" if you will but don't call it the R&R HOF. It's no longer that.
Allow me to add Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush along with Ted Nugent to the list WTF aren't they in?
Wow I had forgotten about Frank saw em once open for Heart The Joe Perry Project was also there damn that was a long time ago
and i agree the rrhof is fucked up
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But what I take of this is that Rock n Roll will not be pigeon holed, and neither my standards nor yours will rein it in.
I agree with that. I'm not going to sit here and say anyone who doesn't adhere strictly to a I,IV,V arrangement format or play Strats exclusively should be excluded. There are a dizzying number of sub genres for every genre. My point is (and I'm sure you've been to the R&R HOF) that there is an obvious disconnect at a certain point in the visit from Rock n Roll. THAT is why I say call it the "Music Hall of Fame" if you will but don't call it the R&R HOF. It's no longer that.
Allow me to add Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush along with Ted Nugent to the list WTF aren't they in?
I agree with that. I'm not going to sit here and say anyone who doesn't adhere strictly to a I,IV,V arrangement format or play Strats exclusively should be excluded. There are a dizzying number of sub genres for every genre. My point is (and I'm sure you've been to the R&R HOF) that there is an obvious disconnect at a certain point in the visit from Rock n Roll. THAT is why I say call it the "Music Hall of Fame" if you will but don't call it the R&R HOF. It's no longer that.
Allow me to add Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush along with Ted Nugent to the list WTF aren't they in?
It never was that. Really. From the very first class. From Ray Charles to James Brown to Buddy Holly etc. you had what I think were primarily blues guys, soul music, rockabilly, "pop" idols etc.
And to answer your second question: I guess they are not in because they have not been felt to have been either good enough, or popular enough, or influential enough.
It like saying: why aren't the Monkees in? Herman's Hermits? These acts were far, far more popular in their time than the guys you mention. I don't think I know who Frank Marino is....related to Dan? So, you see.
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Nugent is political, plain and simple.
I have Frank Marino's recently released 6hr show dvd from The Agora. The man has been around since the mid 70s..
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That never stops him, no matter the subject
If they want to call it the "Music Hall of Fame" then I'd have far less problem with that. But calling it the Rock n Roll HOF is ridiculous.
That never stops him, no matter the subject
If they want to call it the "Music Hall of Fame" then I'd have far less problem with that. But calling it the Rock n Roll HOF is ridiculous.
Then again rock and roll specifically referred to the style of music pioneer by bill haley and the comets. That style is pretty much gone by the wayside except for a few modern revival. And remember that The Rock and Roll movement was also about rebellion which I think is closely aligned with the Hip Hop movement of more modern music. Even if I hated like my grandparents hated rock and roll. That's part of the reason it exists.
But I agree with you it doesn't seem like there's any hard-and-fast standard to get into this stupid Hall of Fame. Just a bunch of pompous assholes sitting around nominating guys they personally like or disrespecting the ones they don't know anything about.
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I agree that there does not seem to be any criteria to get in........but maybe that is just in the tradition of Rock n Roll. There are no boundaries, no rules for admission.
Not even record sales seems to guarantee a spot.
Mariah Carey and Celine Dion and Barbara Streisand are among the largest selling artists of all time. Those three, along with Whitney Houston were among the top 20 best selling artists of all time, and each have been eligible for quite a few years, but Whitney is the only one of these and she is just now going in. Maybe that satisfies the "that's not rock n roll" throng, keeping those others out.
And, Mariah Carey has had a song at #1 on the charts more weeks than anyone, including Elvis and The Beatles.
And they include and exclude certain top artists of different genres: Johnny Cash is in, but Garth Brooks and Willie Nelson are not...in the Country realm.
Peter, Paul, and Mary are not in, but Simon and Garfunkel, who are, I think in sort of the same genre....folk....are.
And no doubt there is controversy about who, how, and why some acts get in. Here is a blurb with different perspectives from two members of the same act...that is NOT in, but many believe should be in:
In June 2007, Monkee Peter Tork complained to the New York Post that Wenner had blackballed the Monkees, commenting:
[Wenner] doesn't care what the rules are and just operates how he sees fit. It is an abuse of power. I don't know whether the Monkees belong in the Hall of Fame, but it's pretty clear that we're not in there because of a personal whim. Jann seems to have taken it harder than everyone else, and now, 40 years later, everybody says, "What's the big deal? Everybody else does it." [Uses studio artists or backing bands.] Nobody cares now except him. He feels his moral judgment in 1967 and 1968 is supposed to serve in 2007.
In a Facebook post, fellow Monkee Michael Nesmith stated that he did not know if the Monkees belonged in the Hall of Fame because he could only see the impact of the Monkees from the inside, and went on to say: "I can see the HOF (Hall of Fame) is a private enterprise. It seems to operate as a business, and the inductees are there by some action of the owners of the Enterprise. The inductees appear to be chosen at the owner's pleasure. This seems proper to me. It is their business in any case. It does not seem to me that the HOF carries a public mandate, nor should it be compelled to conform to one."[72]
Various magazines and news outlets, such as Time,[73] NPR radio,[74] The Christian Science Monitor,[75] Goldmine magazine,[76][77] Yahoo Music[78] and MSNBC[79] have argued that the Monkees belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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I like what Nesmith and Tork said about the "private enterprise" being the group getting to pick and choose. I like how they seem to not give a rip ( well maybe Tork does)
in light of being passed over.
in a related theme and in the light of the passing of RUSH drummer Neil Peart who was quoted in 2012 - (well before the bands induction into the hall)
when asked if they would like to be in the HOF, he said "yes if only for the fans"
individually we kind of take our feelings seriously over who should be in.... while the guys who perform, ( the down to earth ones at least)
arent so bothered by this.
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oh ya they fucking rocked and is one band Black Sabbath said they borrowed from
are Black Sabbath in the rrhof ?
oh ya they fucking rocked and is one band Black Sabbath said they borrowed from
are Black Sabbath in the rrhof ?
Yes, but they didn't get in until 2006, which is ridiculous of course. They pioneered metal and influenced many bands.Tony Iommi is one of the best guitarists ever.
Seems they committee isn't very fond of hard rock or metal in general. Led Zeppelin didn't get in until 1995. See Deep Purple, who's still waiting.
Casey Kasem, please play War Pigs as a long-distance dedication to all the Joni Mitchell fans out there ?
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oh ya they fucking rocked and is one band Black Sabbath said they borrowed from
are Black Sabbath in the rrhof ?
Yes, but they didn't get in until 2006, which is ridiculous of course. They pioneered metal and influenced many bands.Tony Iommi is one of the best guitarists ever.
Seems they committee isn't very fond of hard rock or metal in general. Led Zeppelin didn't get in until 1995. See Deep Purple, who's still waiting.
Casey Kasem, please play War Pigs as a long-distance dedication to all the Joni Mitchell fans out there ?
Yes, but they didn't get in until 2006, which is ridiculous of course. They pioneered metal and influenced many bands.Tony Iommi is one of the best guitarists ever.
Seems they committee isn't very fond of hard rock or metal in general. Led Zeppelin didn't get in until 1995. See Deep Purple, who's still waiting.
Casey Kasem, please play War Pigs as a long-distance dedication to all the Joni Mitchell fans out there ?
The band has to of had an album or a hit on the charge for 25 years before they’re eligible. Led Zeppelin didn’t start until around 1970. Also I think deep purple may in fact be in. In fact in checking yes they are in.
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Yes, but they didn't get in until 2006, which is ridiculous of course. They pioneered metal and influenced many bands.Tony Iommi is one of the best guitarists ever.
Seems they committee isn't very fond of hard rock or metal in general. Led Zeppelin didn't get in until 1995. See Deep Purple, who's still waiting.
Casey Kasem, please play War Pigs as a long-distance dedication to all the Joni Mitchell fans out there ?
The band has to of had an album or a hit on the charge for 25 years before they’re eligible. Led Zeppelin didn’t start until around 1970. Also I think deep purple may in fact be in. In fact in checking yes they are in.
The band has to of had an album or a hit on the charge for 25 years before they’re eligible. Led Zeppelin didn’t start until around 1970. Also I think deep purple may in fact be in. In fact in checking yes they are in.
Ok good.
Music is so subjective to everybody. I've never been anywhere in my life where someone said "crank up some Joni Mitchell," yet she was inducted in the RRHOF before many of my favorites.
I'm glad the building is here in Cleveland, but I simply can't get on board with many of the acts they inducted.
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The band has to of had an album or a hit on the charge for 25 years before they’re eligible. Led Zeppelin didn’t start until around 1970. Also I think deep purple may in fact be in. In fact in checking yes they are in.
Ok good.
Music is so subjective to everybody. I've never been anywhere in my life where someone said "crank up some Joni Mitchell," yet she was inducted in the RRHOF before many of my favorites.
I'm glad the building is here in Cleveland, but I simply can't get on board with many of the acts they inducted.
Ok good.
Music is so subjective to everybody. I've never been anywhere in my life where someone said "crank up some Joni Mitchell," yet she was inducted in the RRHOF before many of my favorites.
Deservedly so, perhaps. That goes to the whole genre thing where I guess they spread it out.....I think Joni can be considered a folk act, more or less, yet she is in but Peter, Paul, and Mary are not? (but my wife might tell you that you are wrong about people clamoring for Joni Mitchell. If you were a stringy haired chick that went to college in the 70s...you might do just that)
I'm glad the building is here in Cleveland, but I simply can't get on board with many of the acts they inducted.
Well, as noted, some may not be on board with some of the acts that are your favorites.
But I do get it. In what I think is a similar genre (go ahead....some one of you smartsses tell me I am wrong..these bands are nothing alike. Maybe that is true, but they are from the same era:). Depeche Mode is now in, but Tears for Fears is not? I know tons and tons of good songs by Tears for Fears, but not a one by Depeche Mode.
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The Monkees
Herman's Hermits
Jan and Dean
Peter Paul and Mary
Pat Benatar
Brian Eno
The Raspberries
Mott the Hoople
Devo
Tears for Fears
Culture Club
Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Al Stewart
Tommy James and the Shondells
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just for the sheer volume of hit records this guy really should be in there.
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
just for the sheer volume of hit records this guy really should be in there.
just for the sheer volume of hit records this guy really should be in there.
All his songs remind me of JH and H school.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
just for the sheer volume of hit records this guy really should be in there.
just for the sheer volume of hit records this guy really should be in there.
And a lot of those are songs I really like. Crystal blue persuasion . Crimson and Clover , I think we’re alone now. Etc
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just for the sheer volume of hit records this guy really should be in there.
All his songs remind me of JH and H school.
All his songs remind me of JH and H school.
Certainly if you are about our age.
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