OBJ Continues to be OBJ
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But a small, non insignificant amount are like the rent a cop in the video who are nothing but bullies
Not to you, but to everyone: This is true of EVERY profession, in EVERY organization - government or private, big or small. There's always somebody who is slacking or incompetent.. and these issues should be expected.
Are all cops bad because one or two are? No? Then I'm beyond tired of hearing how all post office employees are bad. And, be consistent: Once you had your first bad experience at Target or Macy's or Cleveland Clinic -- you'd better be talking just as frequently about how those big corporations should be shut down with just as little evidence.
Might want to check in on the actual, updated 2020 reputation of those fantasies of private governance known as GE and GM -- finance companies that also make stuff on the side. Let me save you the trouble: They're less skilled than Boeing, and it takes effort to be that bad at your job.
Not to you, but to everyone: This is true of EVERY profession, in EVERY organization - government or private, big or small. There's always somebody who is slacking or incompetent.. and these issues should be expected.
Are all cops bad because one or two are? No?
It's a hell of a lot more that. Every cop who looks the other way of cops being bad is also a bad cop. That brings the % way up there.
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The huge majority of police officers are well trained good guys I'd trust them way more than the general public. But like in any profession or vocation you have a small percentage that do not represent the majority.
And this whole thing is about OBJ and his personality and very little to do with the rent-a-cop here.
And OBJ is an attention seeking Cleveland Browns and NFL player wherever he goes and in whatever he does......good or bad.
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The rent a cop should have known better - good that the charges were dropped.But then there is ALSO THE HANDING OUT OF MONEY PART. And the getting escorted awayfrom the LSU band after OBJ was interring, trying to get them to play some dirty lyrics song he likes.
And the visor. the pants. the shoes. and his "groin injury" that kept him out of camp? that needed surgery after the seasonis over? and the expensive watch he wore IN A GAME?
and that is just with the Browns.
With the Giants - it was worse. The least worse? was throwing off on his teammates in an interview.The worst? with some woman and white powder there and .....If the only way you can defend him is throw off on the stupid rentacop, you are just missing a lot of good reasons to consider trading OBJ. He won't really care - his brand and $$$$$$$$$ go with him.
You can bet if the Browns go to the playoffs, OBJ will be a distraction one way or another, negative attention or positive attention. That's just how I see it. The Browns players deserve far better if that does happen. It's his brand.
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The rent a cop should have known better - good that the charges were dropped.But then there is ALSO THE HANDING OUT OF MONEY PART. And the getting escorted awayfrom the LSU band after OBJ was interring, trying to get them to play some dirty lyrics song he likes.
And the visor. the pants. the shoes. and his "groin injury" that kept him out of camp? that needed surgery after the seasonis over? and the expensive watch he wore IN A GAME?
and that is just with the Browns.
With the Giants - it was worse. The least worse? was throwing off on his teammates in an interview.The worst? with some woman and white powder there and .....If the only way you can defend him is throw off on the stupid rentacop, you are just missing a lot of good reasons to consider trading OBJ. He won't really care - his brand and $$$$$$$$$ go with him.
You can bet if the Browns go to the playoffs, OBJ will be a distraction one way or another, negative attention or positive attention. That's just how I see it. The Browns players deserve far better if that does happen. It's his brand.
The rent a cop should have known better - good that the charges were dropped.But then there is ALSO THE HANDING OUT OF MONEY PART. And the getting escorted awayfrom the LSU band after OBJ was interring, trying to get them to play some dirty lyrics song he likes.
And the visor. the pants. the shoes. and his "groin injury" that kept him out of camp? that needed surgery after the seasonis over? and the expensive watch he wore IN A GAME?
and that is just with the Browns.
With the Giants - it was worse. The least worse? was throwing off on his teammates in an interview.The worst? with some woman and white powder there and .....If the only way you can defend him is throw off on the stupid rentacop, you are just missing a lot of good reasons to consider trading OBJ. He won't really care - his brand and $$$$$$$$$ go with him.
You can bet if the Browns go to the playoffs, OBJ will be a distraction one way or another, negative attention or positive attention. That's just how I see it. The Browns players deserve far better if that does happen. It's his brand.
I agree Cal.. He's a Dorkus Maximus!
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Zombo said:
He's a security guard, and ya'll have lost your minds. There's guys playing who have beat their wives and abused their kids. Our goofy guy gets drunk when his team wins the National Championship and hands out money and snacks a security guard on the butt.
He's a really good wide receiver.
It's going to be a long offseason.
Z
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
You sure don't write or act like any lawyer or elected judge I've ever met and I've met plenty. Just sayin'.....
Then you don't know shite about lawyers and judges...no matter how many you have met, because you have not met as many as I have. Beyond that, I am not in my lawyerly or magisterial domain. I am in the equivalent of a bar room here. And judges and lawyers can be more crude in a bar room setting than anyone. Trust me. But they, like me, are perfectly professional when we are in court or dealing with clients. I mean, you certainly act differently when you are at work, with your family, or in a sports bar.
Oh I have met lawyers and elected and retired judges in many different settings from family members, friends, neighbors, clients of ours, public outings and meetings, cigar gatherings, golf partners, golf outings, country club gatherings, and numerous bars and a few strip clubs.
We've also done political signs (my one brother's side business) for many candidates including judges, mayors, sheriffs (another interesting bunch), commissioners, trustees and others for years. Yes I think I know about lawyers and judges.
Oh are you an elected magistrate or judge or just one of those fill in guys, I grew up across the street from one of those lawyer/judge guys. His son became a lawyer then fill in guy now an elected Municipal Court judge. My one brother and a cousin were baliffs while going to law school one in Municipal Court the other Country Common Pleas.
I will withhold any further opinions about you for the moment. But I do know lawyers and judges.
Oh I have met lawyers and elected and retired judges in many different settings from family members, friends, neighbors, clients of ours, public outings and meetings, cigar gatherings, golf partners, golf outings, country club gatherings, and numerous bars and a few strip clubs.
We've also done political signs (my one brother's side business) for many candidates including judges, mayors, sheriffs (another interesting bunch), commissioners, trustees and others for years. Yes I think I know about lawyers and judges.
Oh are you an elected magistrate or judge or just one of those fill in guys, I grew up across the street from one of those lawyer/judge guys. His son became a lawyer then fill in guy now an elected Municipal Court judge. My one brother and a cousin were baliffs while going to law school one in Municipal Court the other Country Common Pleas.
I will withhold any further opinions about you for the moment. But I do know lawyers and judges.
So? What do you do....so I can tell you what kind of people in your profession that I know.
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Zombo said:
He's a security guard, and ya'll have lost your minds. There's guys playing who have beat their wives and abused their kids. Our goofy guy gets drunk when his team wins the National Championship and hands out money and snacks a security guard on the butt.
He's a really good wide receiver.
It's going to be a long offseason.
Z
Oh! Is that mjp?
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But a small, non insignificant amount are like the rent a cop in the video who are nothing but bullies
Not to you, but to everyone: This is true of EVERY profession, in EVERY organization - government or private, big or small. There's always somebody who is slacking or incompetent.. and these issues should be expected.
Are all cops bad because one or two are? No? Then I'm beyond tired of hearing how all post office employees are bad. And, be consistent: Once you had your first bad experience at Target or Macy's or Cleveland Clinic -- you'd better be talking just as frequently about how those big corporations should be shut down with just as little evidence.
Might want to check in on the actual, updated 2020 reputation of those fantasies of private governance known as GE and GM -- finance companies that also make stuff on the side. Let me save you the trouble: They're less skilled than Boeing, and it takes effort to be that bad at your job.
Not to you, but to everyone: This is true of EVERY profession, in EVERY organization - government or private, big or small. There's always somebody who is slacking or incompetent.. and these issues should be expected.
Are all cops bad because one or two are? No? Then I'm beyond tired of hearing how all post office employees are bad. And, be consistent: Once you had your first bad experience at Target or Macy's or Cleveland Clinic -- you'd better be talking just as frequently about how those big corporations should be shut down with just as little evidence.
Might want to check in on the actual, updated 2020 reputation of those fantasies of private governance known as GE and GM -- finance companies that also make stuff on the side. Let me save you the trouble: They're less skilled than Boeing, and it takes effort to be that bad at your job.
Except surely you understand how different that is. A bad target employee doesn’t honor your coupon. A bad cop gives you a bogus felony or, ya know, murders you. That’s beyond common sense.
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The butt slap is much ado about nothing. The money part is more of a big deal, but probably not to the detriment of the Browns.
But I don't think people want to notice a string of bad/strange decisions by Odell. That doesn't mean he doesn't produce on the field or isn't a good teammate or that he will have them going forward.
But I do wonder what people would think (whether they would post about it or not) if he was on a different team. That doesn't even factor in the difference in opinion of people accused/proven with much more serious situations.
I don't view something by my bias on the situation. If Nick Chubb and Saquon Barkley do the same thing (as an example), I view them both the same. I don't give NC the benefit because he is a player on my favorite team.
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No wonder he has never been a captain in the NFL! His jerkass attitude.
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The butt slap is much ado about nothing. The money part is more of a big deal, but probably not to the detriment of the Browns.
But I don't think people want to notice a string of bad/strange decisions by Odell. That doesn't mean he doesn't produce on the field or isn't a good teammate or that he will have them going forward.
But I do wonder what people would think (whether they would post about it or not) if he was on a different team. That doesn't even factor in the difference in opinion of people accused/proven with much more serious situations.
I don't view something by my bias on the situation. If Nick Chubb and Saquon Barkley do the same thing (as an example), I view them both the same. I don't give NC the benefit because he is a player on my favorite team.
The butt slap is much ado about nothing. The money part is more of a big deal, but probably not to the detriment of the Browns.
But I don't think people want to notice a string of bad/strange decisions by Odell. That doesn't mean he doesn't produce on the field or isn't a good teammate or that he will have them going forward.
But I do wonder what people would think (whether they would post about it or not) if he was on a different team. That doesn't even factor in the difference in opinion of people accused/proven with much more serious situations.
I don't view something by my bias on the situation. If Nick Chubb and Saquon Barkley do the same thing (as an example), I view them both the same. I don't give NC the benefit because he is a player on my favorite team.
If he were on another team I would think that he is a goof, but that he was one hell of a player. Like Antonio Brown. He was a goof, but he produced for the Steelers tremendously. MONEY, I think got in his way of continuing on being very productive for them, not his weirdness. I don't think money is an issue for OBJ and the Browns yet. If that were to become an issue, that would be more detrimental than any of this silliness.
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The butt slap is much ado about nothing. The money part is more of a big deal, but probably not to the detriment of the Browns.
But I don't think people want to notice a string of bad/strange decisions by Odell. That doesn't mean he doesn't produce on the field or isn't a good teammate or that he will have them going forward.
But I do wonder what people would think (whether they would post about it or not) if he was on a different team. That doesn't even factor in the difference in opinion of people accused/proven with much more serious situations.
I don't view something by my bias on the situation. If Nick Chubb and Saquon Barkley do the same thing (as an example), I view them both the same. I don't give NC the benefit because he is a player on my favorite team.
If he were on another team I would think that he is a goof, but that he was one hell of a player. Like Antonio Brown. He was a goof, but he produced for the Steelers tremendously. MONEY, I think got in his way of continuing on being very productive for them, not his weirdness. I don't think money is an issue for OBJ and the Browns yet. If that were to become an issue, that would be more detrimental than any of this silliness.
If he were on another team I would think that he is a goof, but that he was one hell of a player. Like Antonio Brown. He was a goof, but he produced for the Steelers tremendously. MONEY, I think got in his way of continuing on being very productive for them, not his weirdness. I don't think money is an issue for OBJ and the Browns yet. If that were to become an issue, that would be more detrimental than any of this silliness.
I'm just saying I think anyone should judge people on the same rules.
For a quick example, not you in particular (I don't remember the people doing it). But when someone says "there is no evidence, wait to see what happens, etc, but then turn around and say Big Ben is a rapist. He very well could be, but wanting to wait for an outcome for someone you are for but not for someone you dislike just seems hypocritical.
And I honestly don't think much of AB is because of money. He basically threw away 30 million from Raiders. I think he has some kind of medical problem.
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For the record Landry was 10 in yards 18 in catches and that was with an early bad passing game and bad OL throughout. ALSO they have a great RB combo which is good.
OBJ still has more problems as a teammate besides ass slapping some dude. ABrown was a headcase but produced on the field OBJ needs to do that without disrupting the team goals, they sure pay him enough to say "yes sir" once in awhile and cool it.
Think they can go 8-8 next year? They'll need everyone on board to do that.
Again, fucking total ignorance. Maybe it is my training as a lawyer and 30 years as a magistrate that tells me never to judge a situation before all the evidence has been presented. Yet, here you are again, prejudging a situation before ANY relevant evidence has even seen the light of day. ANY. Every other player in this entire league has has some minor scrape of some sort in their life....Yet you declare that the team will not perform well with him on it in the ensuing fall football season that starts in September because of a butt slap that happened on January 13. That is the height of absurdity.
Again, fucking total ignorance. Maybe it is my training as a lawyer and 30 years as a magistrate that tells me never to judge a situation before all the evidence has been presented. Yet, here you are again, prejudging a situation before ANY relevant evidence has even seen the light of day. ANY. Every other player in this entire league has has some minor scrape of some sort in their life....Yet you declare that the team will not perform well with him on it in the ensuing fall football season that starts in September because of a butt slap that happened on January 13. That is the height of absurdity.
There's a bunch of wild overreactions on this topic but this is the Cleveland Browns board so it's to be accepted. Bunch of whiny crybabies that still can't make the argument on how we are going to replace him and they cry to the mods about said terrible arguments.
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If he were on another team I would think that he is a goof, but that he was one hell of a player. Like Antonio Brown. He was a goof, but he produced for the Steelers tremendously. MONEY, I think got in his way of continuing on being very productive for them, not his weirdness. I don't think money is an issue for OBJ and the Browns yet. If that were to become an issue, that would be more detrimental than any of this silliness.
I'm just saying I think anyone should judge people on the same rules.
For a quick example, not you in particular (I don't remember the people doing it). But when someone says "there is no evidence, wait to see what happens, etc, but then turn around and say Big Ben is a rapist. He very well could be, but wanting to wait for an outcome for someone you are for but not for someone you dislike just seems hypocritical.
And I honestly don't think much of AB is because of money. He basically threw away 30 million from Raiders. I think he has some kind of medical problem.
I'm just saying I think anyone should judge people on the same rules.
For a quick example, not you in particular (I don't remember the people doing it). But when someone says "there is no evidence, wait to see what happens, etc, but then turn around and say Big Ben is a rapist. He very well could be, but wanting to wait for an outcome for someone you are for but not for someone you dislike just seems hypocritical.
And I honestly don't think much of AB is because of money. He basically threw away 30 million from Raiders. I think he has some kind of medical problem.
What I mean was that AB wanted that kind of money from Pittsburgh to stay there. It was money that caused him to drive himself away from Pitts, not his off field antics. But, you are right, his idiocy caused him to lose that money from Las Vegas...nee Oakland. Now that was pure mental illness or something.
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I'm sorry, I feel he's a disruptor; we can excuse away any one...two...three things. But I feel the team would be better without him. Get focused on team, not on OBJ
While I disagree with you I respect your opinion, I just don't how we could replace him without giving up something or getting hosed. Any trades you think could work?
While I disagree with you I respect your opinion, I just don't how we could replace him without giving up something or getting hosed. Any trades you think could work?
Thank you, I respect yours as well.
My feeling is sometimes there is addition by subtraction. Can they get anyone as talented as OBJ? Doubtful. But these little "look at me" moments just don't contribute to "team." Look at TN, are they super talented? Mostly not. But they are a "team." I don't think a team this young can handle the OBJ distractions and turn the corner into a team.
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