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Are you doubting The Process Part Deux?
That’s quite the drum you keep pounding Dutch.
On the surface an analytically driven approach doesn’t seem so bad. Problem is it takes time to collect data, analyze it, share it amongst the shot callers, and ultimately make decisions.
And it feels like there’s a sense of urgency because we don’t even know who all the shot callers are yet. I read an article the other day that suggested the Browns may “punt” this next draft (like trade down, collect more picks) because they don’t have their shit together, which means even the draft (usually a fun time) will suck.
And of course, the jury is way way out on how much l trust the yet to be named list of shot callers. Or whether they will be given enough time to see their vision through with the fickle owner. It’s quite the bowl of bummer stew.
On the surface an analytically driven approach doesn’t seem so bad. Problem is it takes time to collect data, analyze it, share it amongst the shot callers, and ultimately make decisions.
Two Blondes run out of Beer in a Cleveland blizzard. They both walk 1.5 miles to a open store. They both buy a 12 pack & head back to camp..How many beers will they have left after returning to camp? Nope... i have no use for Depo deciding if enough anna Or Lynics is being used in this all new kumba ya adventure....
UPDATE-- OL coach/Asst.HC James Campen won't be retained for next season..
Steve Wilks has been informed as of today, he won't be retained either/// per MKC**** 49'ers DB Coach JOE WOODS seems to be the Name of the Day replacement as new DC? ..
stay tuned
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That’s quite the drum you keep pounding Dutch.
On the surface an analytically driven approach doesn’t seem so bad. Problem is it takes time to collect data, analyze it, share it amongst the shot callers, and ultimately make decisions.
And it feels like there’s a sense of urgency because we don’t even know who all the shot callers are yet. I read an article the other day that suggested the Browns may “punt” this next draft (like trade down, collect more picks) because they don’t have their shit together, which means even the draft (usually a fun time) will suck.
And of course, the jury is way way out on how much l trust the yet to be named list of shot callers. Or whether they will be given enough time to see their vision through with the fickle owner. It’s quite the bowl of bummer stew.
How does one ever know when The Process has their shit together?
So... how's the GM search going? Seems pretty quiet on The Process front. I assumed the Browns would put the full-court pressure on Berry, you know, to get the band back together, but....
How does one ever know when The Process has their shit together?
Same way you know in case of a traditional approach... W/L record trend.
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What ever happened to Wade Phillips as DC?
Did The Process crunch some numbers and worry that the probability Wade would drop dead on the sideline was too high?
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Lotta names floating around for a lot of positions...
Does seem odd that the rumors around hiring a WR Coach are stronger than those for an OC.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I read an article by Ian Rappaport on NFL.com that Mike McDaniel and Mike LaFleur are of interest to be the new OC's. However, in the article it says that the 49er's could block the move. I'm curious because I thought as long as it is not a lateral position a team can not block a hire? In this case LaFleur is the passing game coordinator and McDaniel the run game. Neither call plays. If it is a pay bump and title promotion, i was always under the impression it was good to go. In the same article, it talks how Woods would be allowed to go because he is in his last year of his contract. How does that work?
Someone mentioned recently that all assistant coaches are now considered equal, so unless an assistant is interviewing for a head coach job, it would be considered a lateral move for a WR coach to interview to be someone else's Offensive Coordinator.
Someone mentioned recently that all assistant coaches are now considered equal, so unless an assistant is interviewing for a head coach job, it would be considered a lateral move for a WR coach to interview to be someone else's Offensive Coordinator.
If assistants coaches had a union, they would fight like hell to get rid of that rule. In fact, I think the operative term you use there is "Now"....because I think it is a fairly new policy. The purpose of which I am curious about. Did owners/GM just not want to lose good asst. coaches to promotions short of HC?
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Are you doubting The Process Part Deux?
That’s quite the drum you keep pounding Dutch.
On the surface an analytically driven approach doesn’t seem so bad. Problem is it takes time to collect data, analyze it, share it amongst the shot callers, and ultimately make decisions.
And it feels like there’s a sense of urgency because we don’t even know who all the shot callers are yet. I read an article the other day that suggested the Browns may “punt” this next draft (like trade down, collect more picks) because they don’t have their shit together, which means even the draft (usually a fun time) will suck.
And of course, the jury is way way out on how much l trust the yet to be named list of shot callers. Or whether they will be given enough time to see their vision through with the fickle owner. It’s quite the bowl of bummer stew.
That’s quite the drum you keep pounding Dutch.
On the surface an analytically driven approach doesn’t seem so bad. Problem is it takes time to collect data, analyze it, share it amongst the shot callers, and ultimately make decisions.
And it feels like there’s a sense of urgency because we don’t even know who all the shot callers are yet. I read an article the other day that suggested the Browns may “punt” this next draft (like trade down, collect more picks) because they don’t have their shit together, which means even the draft (usually a fun time) will suck.
And of course, the jury is way way out on how much l trust the yet to be named list of shot callers. Or whether they will be given enough time to see their vision through with the fickle owner. It’s quite the bowl of bummer stew.
Punt because they don't have their shit together? Well, that sounds like what our analytics centric FO did for a few year. Is that SOP for that kind of crew?
What it means is that they can't get their shit for talent mostly (except for a no brainer like Garrett.) So, is that what we have to look forward to again? Defer, defer, defer? Well, maybe they will defer enough so that when the next change comes, someone who knows talent can be the beneficiary of their pusillanimity like Dorsey was.
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And that, of course reminds one of 'The Committee'. Where Shashi, who had to be told which player they were interested in looking at while at a pro day, had final say on draft picks / the roster. ( now we have, 'The Family' )
Again... a misstatement of Sashi's role. In that regime there were either a consensus or there wasn't one.
Well, what was his role. To be the potted plant and do fuck all. That seems to have been it.
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Lotta names floating around for a lot of positions...
Does seem odd that the rumors around hiring a WR Coach are stronger than those for an OC.
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What ever happened to Wade Phillips as DC?
Did The Process crunch some numbers and worry that the probability Wade would drop dead on the sideline was too high?
What ever happened to Wade Phillips as DC?
might still be out there? but i jumped on to a open reddit topic, that Stefanski took some questions..Very cool & this was right after the Wade rumors.. Asked about the defensive roster..the dreaded coach speak line "We are going to play to our defensive players strength" That knocked Wilks out for me at that point..in less than a week..Bye Steve Wilks !
Am no Wade... but if Wade, at his age is getting paid by the Rams next season? He's in no Hurry to sign anywhere..
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What ever happened to Wade Phillips as DC?
might still be out there? but i jumped on to a open reddit topic, that Stefanski took some questions..Very cool & this was right after the Wade rumors.. Asked about the defensive roster..the dreaded coach speak line "We are going to play to our defensive players strength" That knocked Wilks out for me at that point..in less than a week..Bye Steve Wilks !
Am no Wade... but if Wade, at his age is getting paid by the Rams next season? He's in no Hurry to sign anywhere..
... if Wade, at his age is getting paid by the Rams next season?
Don't think he is owed anything. Reports at the time he was made Rams DC were that it was a 3-year deal and he served 3 years. Plus his leaving was out in terms of not being "renewed".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Lotta names floating around for a lot of positions...
Does seem odd that the rumors around hiring a WR Coach are stronger than those for an OC.
Does seem odd that the rumors around hiring a WR Coach are stronger than those for an OC.
Was going to add this.... Unless of course we already have our OC.
But whether or not Stef intends to be the OC or not... whether he ends up being the defacto OC or not... there's no one that knows better the type of Offense he wants to build than he does. So his hiring in offensive coaches in whatever order should be expected.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No clue as to accuracy of reporting for obvious reason, but here is a take on revised organizational responsibilities of two key positions...
- Apparently Dutch's real name is Jeff Lerner.
- So much for Part Deux...
Hey, Mary Kay: Do you think Kevin Stefanski will have a good amount of say picking players and keeping some of the players we have on the team right now? I just have a strong feeling that our beloved owners along with our baseball guy are going to be hiring a bunch of yes men and we will have someone totally unqualified picking our players. Like Paul DePodesta and Jimmy Haslam. We deserve so much better than this. — Jeff Lerner, Avon, Ohio
Hey, Jeff: Stefanski will have a large say in roster decisions, and that’s why they want him to help hire the general manager. A former defensive back at Penn, Stefanski enjoys talent evaluation and has already been poring over film of current Browns players. I think he’ll be in on deciding who stays and who goes, in conjunction with the new GM. I also think he’ll have plenty of input in the draft, free agency, trades and other roster moves. With the Browns’ renewed emphasis on analytics, his keen evaluation skills will be valued and necessary.
Hey, Mary Kay: How much “say so” will Paul DePodesta have when it comes to this year’s draft and will he have veto power over any selection? —Thanks Felix DeAngelis, Cleveland, Ohio
Hey, Felix: DePodesta will play a role in the draft as the team’s Chief Strategy Officer, and the analytics team will have more influence than it did during the John Dorsey drafts. But the new general manager will have final say over personnel decisions, as outlined by Jimmy Haslam in his postseason press conference. The Browns have interviewed two candidates for the GM job so far in Eagles Vice President of Football Operations Andrew Berry and Patriots Director of College Scouting Monti Ossenfort. They requested permission to interview Vikings assistant George Paton, but it’s not yet known if the interview has taken place. If Paton feels it’s a foregone conclusion that Berry is getting the job, he might think twice about interviewing.
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I'm from Canal Fulton, via Ravenna.
But that Jeff Lerner knows what's up.
I know I'm absolutely thrilled that this new head coach, who currently has less experience than Freddie Kitchens in calling plays, is now supposed to be the head coach, offensive coordinator AND talent evaluator for the draft, free agency and trades. Very sound thinking from The Process Part Deux.
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The team will also interview Rich Scangarello for a role on his staff this week, possibly as the QB coach. He could also end up as OC, though there is a possibility that the Browns don't have an official coordinator this year given Stefanski's prowess on offense and the issues that arose last season.
...once you get the play-calling 'bug', it's hard to give it up.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Stefanski acts as OC and hires an assistant OC.
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...And that, of course reminds one of 'The Committee'. Where Shashi, who had to be told which player they were interested in looking at while at a pro day, had final say on draft picks / the roster. ( now we have, 'The Family' )
Again... a misstatement of Sashi's role. In that regime there were either a consensus or there wasn't one.
The great thing about The Process - for those who have complete, unwavery support of it - is when it produces poor draft results there's absolutely no one to blame for them. Not his fault, not that guy's fault, definitely not that dude's fault.
As usual your take on any aspect of the former process is completely incorrect.
Somewhere in the Process there would be a scout, or scouts, who would be primarily responsible for the selection... or passing over... of a given player. This would be part of their "scorecard" and determine their future employment status. While the same could be true of the Analytics Dept., but more likely in that case would be tweaking the model.
The "GM" would in turn be judged on the improvement... or lack thereof... of the team.... same as Dorsey.
Again... a misstatement of Sashi's role. In that regime there were either a consensus or there wasn't one.
...and if there wasn't a consensus then Shashi would be the one to have the final say. That's the way it was. I was alive and taking nourishment at the time.
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and if there wasn't a consensus then Shashi would be the one to have the final say.
No... when there was no consensus the pass was automatic. It's how a consensus process works.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No... when there was no consensus the pass was automatic. It's how a consensus process works.
That sounds like if A or B are your best choices, yet the people involved can’t agree on A or B then they’re going to go choose C which is a lesser choice of either of them. That is fucking brilliant.
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Next: I will keep a updated list of Browns interviewees in order of interviewed
#1.Mike McCarthy (open) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-mike-mccarthy *HIRED- Dallas*
#2.Greg Roman (Ravens OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-greg-roman lost to Titans as #1 seed 1-11-20
#3.Eric Bieniemy (KC OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-eric-bieniemy
#4.Robert Saleh (49'ers DC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-robert-saleh Won vs. Wildcard Vikings 1-11-20
#5. Ryan Daboll (Bills OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-ryan-daboll McCarthy hired in Dallas same day interviewed Daboll (1-6-20)
#6. Jim Schwartz (Philly DC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-jim-schwartz 1 day before interview, Rhule to Panthers/ NYG hire J.Judge
#7. Kevin Stefanski (OC Vikings) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-kevin-stefanski Lost at San Fran as Wildcard 1-11-20 *BROWNS HIRE* 1-12-20
#8. Josh McDaniels (OC Patriots) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-josh-mcdaniels Interviewed 7 hrs. with no deal 1-10-20
Stefanski later in week, won wildcard game, on to 9'ers Saturday..day pending(Thursday 1-9-20 in Minn.) ..
Josh McDaniel's. loss to Titans Sunday. confirmed for this Friday(as of 1-6-20)>>Friday 1-10-20..Pats. Exit meetings till Weds..was to interview at Panthers Weds 1-8-20..was to interview at NYG Thursday 1-9-20..interviewed at nether due to both teams hiring coaches Tuesday 1-7-20
GM interviews start on 1-17-20..
#1.Philly's Andrew Berry & #2) Patriots Monti Ossenfort interviewed on a Friday..(neither hired as of 1-19-20)
#3.George Paton (Asst.GM Vikings) interviewed in Minnesota Sunday 1-19-20// a 2nd interview in Cleveland Wednesday
1-22-20.. Edit: George Paton removes himself as a GM candidate on Friday 1-24-20 ?..
Berry a day before interview announces he is also a candidate for Panthers GM job.
**#1 Hired..on 1-28-20 Andrew Berry inks 5 year deal as VP of football Operations & GM** Berry's first day on the job brings a hiring of a FB off Vikings IR release list.
Berry's 2nd day on job, brings Eliot Wolf/asst gm & Alonzo Highsmith/VP PP & head of College Scouting to their jobs endings..All parties claim to disagree with the future analynic path..3 of the parties agree on Stepping Down..
COACHING STAFF HIRES
#1) Chad O'Shea.. Former Dolphins OC becomes Browns WR Coach on 1-19-20
1-22-20 Stefanski announces he will retain 3 coaches from previous staff
#2) Mike Priefer ST #3) ST Asst.-Doug Colman
#4) RB's- Stump Mitchell
#5. 1 year Former Vikings WR coach Drew Petzing becomes Browns TE Coach ? (browns intern 2013..At Vikings, held 4 different coaching positions in 4 years)
Next: I will keep a updated list of Browns interviewees in order of interviewed
#1.Mike McCarthy (open) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-mike-mccarthy *HIRED- Dallas*
#2.Greg Roman (Ravens OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-greg-roman lost to Titans as #1 seed 1-11-20
#3.Eric Bieniemy (KC OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-eric-bieniemy
#4.Robert Saleh (49'ers DC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-robert-saleh Won vs. Wildcard Vikings 1-11-20
#5. Ryan Daboll (Bills OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-ryan-daboll McCarthy hired in Dallas same day interviewed Daboll (1-6-20)
#6. Jim Schwartz (Philly DC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-jim-schwartz 1 day before interview, Rhule to Panthers/ NYG hire J.Judge
#7. Kevin Stefanski (OC Vikings) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-kevin-stefanski Lost at San Fran as Wildcard 1-11-20 *BROWNS HIRE* 1-12-20
#8. Josh McDaniels (OC Patriots) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-josh-mcdaniels Interviewed 7 hrs. with no deal 1-10-20
Stefanski later in week, won wildcard game, on to 9'ers Saturday..day pending(Thursday 1-9-20 in Minn.) ..
Josh McDaniel's. loss to Titans Sunday. confirmed for this Friday(as of 1-6-20)>>Friday 1-10-20..Pats. Exit meetings till Weds..was to interview at Panthers Weds 1-8-20..was to interview at NYG Thursday 1-9-20..interviewed at nether due to both teams hiring coaches Tuesday 1-7-20
GM interviews start on 1-17-20..
#1.Philly's Andrew Berry & Patriots Monti Ossenfort interviewed on a Friday..(neither hired as of 1-19-20)
Berry a day before interview announces he is also a candidate for Panthers GM job. Vikings-George Paton may get interviewed over weekend. and Still is Undecided and snowed in....as of 1-19-20
COACHING STAFF HIRES
#1) Chad O'Shea.. Former Dolphins OC becomes Browns WR Coach on 1-19-20 OUT-Adam Henry to Dallas.. OUT- Todd Monken joins Georgia staff
As of KC and 49'ers punching their SB tickets.. Here's the Browns New hire updated ^^ as of Sunday 1-19-20 10:19 PM
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